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MB> I am so sorry. I followed with great concern how your difficulties MB> with TB! v. 2.12.00 were possibly losing e-mails that related to your MB> job search. MB> I do with all my heart wish you well. Perhaps the global economy will MB> take a turn upward soon, and a "rising tide lift all boats." MB> If not, I hope you will find a job soon, anyway. Thanks :-) -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.0.1.33 BayesIt! 0.7.3 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Thursday, October 28, 2004, Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > ... But fully functional later, at which > point the announcement said that SecureBat as a stand-alone would be > discontinued. That is some way into the future, I imagine. Just curious. Will that be in v3.x? OR after v3? -- Thanks in advance JM Using The Bat! 1.62r Under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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MB> All I can say is that I hope this was a good learning experience for MB> the Sales team If not, they are masochistic ! ;-) -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.0.1.33 BayesIt! 0.7.3 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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MB> "Latest"? Does that mean you finally found a job? Or do you mean MB> "latest" in the sense of "last"? Last in the sense of when I had a job ! I do not have a new job at this time... :-( -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.0.1.33 BayesIt! 0.7.3 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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zzc> I bought v2 last January; but haven't really used it yet. I just zzc> installed it on a new computer last week. I am still using v1.62. What zzc> kinds of bugs are there in v2? Serious bugs? Serious bugs in V2 solve in V3 seem to be for me but not for all users : 1- TB freeze for 2 or 3 minutes when I launch it and computer was unavailable : no problem anymore with V3 2- Big difficulties with writing HTML message in V2 : no problem anymore with V3 3- Filters did strange kill with wanted messages in V2 : no problem anymore with V3 4- French speller doesn't work for me in V2 : no problem anymore with V3 (except adding a new word in dictionary that work in Plain Text but not in HTML mode) 5- Problem in V2 with some special french accentuated characters on receipt : no problem anymore with V3 Serious bug for my using on my opinion, but not necessary real problem for everybody. And it seems that not a lot of persons had these problems with V2... So I think you just have to try V2 (but I think V3 is a better choice) and make your self opinion. I learn with TB & IT, and this List that problem can result of compatibility between TB and some systems. Each computer and configuration is different from each other, so not sure you will have problem. And I have perfected my configuration in the same time that I have move to V3. SO now, I'm circumspect before saying TB is guilty. Maybe my system and all tests and practises I do with it are guilty... I'm perhaps guilty... Any way, TB is the better soft for my need. -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.0.1.33 BayesIt! 0.7.3 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello z5worg, Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 10:20:45 PM, you wrote: zzc> Wednesday, October 27, 2004, WilWilWil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zzc> I bought v2 last January; but haven't really used it yet. I just zzc> installed it on a new computer last week. I am still using v1.62. What zzc> kinds of bugs are there in v2? Serious bugs? zzc> I just send and receive emails, filtering into different folders, very zzc> elementary macros. Should I just stayed with v.162 and forget about zzc> v2.12? I had great performance with 2.12. It worked fine, never gave me any problems ... well during the beta testing of various BayesIt beta versions I did have an occasional error and a couple of crashes, but TB was stable as a rock otherwise. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.2.1 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hello Group On Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 11:47:18 PM, wrote: MB> Hello WilWilWil! MB> On Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 5:33 PM, you wrote, in part: W>> So good developers team with so pitiful sales service... MB> Yes. But something got through to them between the almost immediate, MB> very bad response to MFPA and the weeks-later rude offering to you of MB> a substantial discount for the Upgrade fee. MB> So perhaps there's hope? MB> I hope MFPA will go to that link which you posted and get v. 3.0.1.33. MB> It's deserved, and as you and I just agreed, WilWilWil, only right MB> that someone who's used v. 2.12.00 for only 2 weeks before the v. 3.0 MB> announcement should have it. [snipped] I d/l v2.x, installed and used it for five days then registered it on 28th August 2004, the email containing the key is dated 28 August 2004, 16:52:16. I emailed sales, reminded them 2 weeks later then 2 weeks after that I found a different email address on their web site and forwarded my earlier mails to that address. I was offered, and accepted, the same discount as WilWilWil. I wasn't delighted but for the sake of a few Euros I didn't think it was worth pursuing, not that I had any grounds for so doing except for goodwill. I have, however, been treated very much better by other s/w companies in similar situations in the past (Borland being worth a mention, they know what goodwill means). So, I don't know if I was the closest to registering just before the new version but they seem to be treating us consistently. (If I had taken advantage of the full thirty day trial I could have had v3 as my first version). To be fair when this fuss first blew up somebody did say that Ritlabs would come up with 'something' -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK :Jeff_Gaines: Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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M> You fared better than I did. I emailed Ritlabs on 4th September, having M> purchased my version 2 licence on 20th August. They only took two M> days to reply to me with:- RL >> You are not obliged to upgrade to the 3.xx version. Wrong : bugs are debug only in V3 now, and user of V2 are alone with their problems... RL > The Bat! version that you purchased is fully functional and has no time RL >> limit in using. Fully functional ? Wrong again ! I prefer understood "fully bugged functional". And what about support ? RL >> limit in using. Upgrading is optional. Such a strangely advice from a commercial company ! So good developers team with so pitiful sales service... My latest boss always says "It's no necessary to have the best product : in 3rd millennium, customer want just a correct product but with maximum of powerful services and support. I prefer driving a little car and having the good garage for services. What is utility of having a Formula One if nobody can do the MAINTENANCE ? Problem : with The Bat, I have tasted Formula One and can't imagine go back to my moped ! :-) :-) :-) -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.0.1.33 BayesIt! 0.7.3 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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MB> So, if you still want v. 3.0.1.33, go to the link that WilWilWil MB> posted and get it for a very small further investment? MB> In my opinion, it is absolutely only fair for you to have it under the MB> same terms as those offered to WilWilWil! Good and equitable way... :-) -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.0.1.33 BayesIt! 0.7.3 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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RTT> Normally, yes. But Ritlabs told him to use the link as far as I RTT> understand. So it should be legal. Not exactly. Ritlabs give me a special link to order :https://secure.element5.com/esales/cart.html?PRODUCT[5423... But I've seen a public link on Ritlabs SIte found by a TB-FR list member. The link which propose same privilege offer... -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.0.1.33 BayesIt! 0.7.3 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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==Original message text=== From: Alexander S. Kunz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: WilWilWil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 5:58:56 PM Subject: Boycott then purchase of V3 ASK> Yes. However, the link was originally only published on the TBBETA list; ASK> I'd say anyone who uses this link to buy, while not being a registered beta ASK> tester at Ritlabs, does not buy a legal license. Its a question of decency ASK> as well. You're right and I agree with that. The Ritlabs page was not clear with that : I'm sorry to have post this link on the list... -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.0.1.33 BayesIt! 0.7.3 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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MB> Hello WilWilWil! Hello Mary Bull MB> In defense of RitLabs, MB> 1) They truly are a very small company. They are writing in a language MB> which is a foreign language to them when they write in English. And I MB> think French is also a foreign language to them. Yes, but Ritlabs was very good in English when they have answered to my questions before buy. So good answer and quick answer that I decide to order because I was sure there was a real support for users. Just disappointed that Ritlabs loose its English and reactivity after order... And I'm not sure "hello" and "sincerely" are so difficult words... And if Ritlabs is a small cie, be sure I'm just a little french customer who make maximum to write in english... MB> 4) Improvements still further than v. 3.0.1.33 are being worked on, MB> aiming at a Christmas Edition full release. Good news ! :-) MB> Since you are trying so hard, WilWilWil, and--as I observe here--daily MB> trying to upgrade your computer skills (just like me) and your MB> proficiency in the use of The Bat! (just like me)-- MB> Since you are indeed trying so hard and bending over backwards to be MB> gracious to everyone, I would encourage you to subscribe to the tbbeta MB> list and read there for awhile and post there, if you want to. Just done. I'll be aware. MB> So I hope you'll click on that URL and have a look. :) Subscribe done :-) PS : a little disappointed with Ritlabs behavior, but completely enthusiastic with the soft TB and help of members of TB lists (TBUL, TB-FR, TBTECH). That's the reason why I've just order again. I just pray for my new license is valid more than 3 months... -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.0.1.33 BayesIt! 0.7.3 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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ASK> That "priviledge" update is for beta testers only. Sure ? Beta testers or not, anybody can click on this link and obtain such price. No password, no control... Click and you are redirected to pavement on Element5 Site... -- WilWilWil :flag-france: TB 3.0.1.33 BayesIt! 0.7.3 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
