Re[2]: G-Mail... Again!

[ken green]

Hello Tony,

Friday, December 24, 2004, 2:11:21 PM, you wrote:

>  What really fascinates me is the amount of people who want everything for
>  nothing regardless of the cost to anyone else.

>  I don't expect anything for nothing, if I like something I pay for it. If I 
> can
>  get something for nothing at the expense of the odd advert then that's one up
>  to me, no one else, me, I consider that a result.

I agree with most of what you wrote.  And I am certainly a proponent
of the idea of what *you* do is *your* business as long as it's only
your business, affecting you, etc.

I think one important issue with Gmail (and soon to be others I'm
sure) that seems to get lost is that while you have elected to be OK
with the e-mail scanning associated with Gmail, those that you
correspond with may not be.

So while I can respect your decision to allow Gmail's policies
(scanning your mail) for you, I have a hard time with the idea of you
deciding that for people you correspond with.

This is really my only real problem with Gmail.

And with the POP/Forwarding options than can be used now, I'm not so
sure if only mail sent from me to a gmail address is susceptible to
being scanned - what happens when that gets forwarded/read through
Gmail?

Note that I'm against this in principal - I consider e-mail to be
inherently NOT private (save for PGP messages and such) - and don't
make a habit of sending personal/private/secure info via e-mail.

But I don't think most of the world operates this way, and I can't
help that nagging feeling that people who don't even know what Gmail
is are having their messages read for advertising purposes.

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Re[2]: G-Mail... Again!

[David Shepherd]

Friday, December 24, 2004, 11:04:30 AM, you wrote:

AM> If there's a security issue .. fine. However, being sick about the
AM> money making part makes no sense from where I'm sitting.

I would agree with you.  Google is a business they exist to make
money not provide people with free e-mail.  I recall when Gmail was
just getting going that a California member of congress wanted to make
what Google was doing against the law.  I became mortified that the
government wanted to tell me what kind of e-mail service I could
subscribe to.
  Before I registered the latest version of Opera I was being
shown text relevant adds from Google.  Yes, Opera and Google were making
money off my web browsing.  If you don't like these tactics don't
subscribe. Oh yeah,  I even found a nice merchant through these ads :-P


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Re[2]: G-Mail... Again!

[Sean Rima]

Hello Mica,

Friday, December 24, 2004, 2:15:32 PM, you wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1

>***^\ ."_)~~
>  ~( __ _"o   Was another beautiful day, Fri, 24 Dec 2004,
>@  @  at 13:07:34 +, when Sean Rima wrote:

>> Hello Tony,

>>> Hello Leif,

Q> Also, what's the address of the TB! archives, Gmail and the other
Q> one?

>>> Talking of which, I now have another 12, yes twelve more invites to
>>> give away.

>> Yeah I just got 6 to get rid of, anyone please PLEASE :)

> Pretend you are dead. Maybe they will not bother you anymore. (-:


ROTFL, yeah that would be one way :)

Sean

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Re[2]: G-Mail... Again!

[Sean Rima]

Hello Tony,

Friday, December 24, 2004, 8:13:47 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Chris,

>   A reminder of what Chris on TBUDL typed on:
>   24 December 2004 at 19:56:20 GMT +0100

C>> People
C>> using other e-mail clients, especially Outlook Express, freak out when
C>> they get a PGP/MIME message.

>  Ah bless :)



I know, I get this on the Mdaemon beta list :)


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Re[2]: G-Mail... Again!

[Sean Rima]

Hello Watcher,

Friday, December 24, 2004, 3:25:42 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Tony,

> On Fri, 24 Dec 2004, at 09:57:28 [GMT +] (10:24 AM here) you
> wrote:

TF>>> I just don't like them to parse my emails for marketing purposes.

>>  I'm not sure they do. Everyone keeps on about G-Mail adverts etc. and I 
>> can't
>>  remember ever seeing any or anything else untoward.

>   S, you're saying you have finally found the very first totally
> free email service?

> /sarcasm off

>   They make money on it or they would't do it, simple as that.

Most free email services have some type of advertising, Googles is actually 
very low key 

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Re[2]: G-Mail... Again!

[Sean Rima]

Hello Chris,

Friday, December 24, 2004, 6:55:11 PM, you wrote:


> Allie Martin @ 2004-Dec-24 6:30:28 AM
> "G-Mail... Again!" 

>> If you PGP/MIME or S/MIME sign your messages to TBOT, the ads will not
>> appear as footers.

> That may work on TBOT, but not on other Yahoo Group lists. People
> using other e-mail clients, especially Outlook Express, freak out when
> they get a PGP/MIME message.


I have seen this esp those who use OE which doesn't verify S/Mime messages with 
multiple email addresses in the key :)

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Re[2]: G-Mail... Again!

[Andreas Schwartmann]

Hi, Bat folks,

on  Fri, 24 Dec 2004 at 06:10:54 GMT -0600 (which was Friday, December
24, 2004, 13:10 where I live) Mary Bull wrote the following lines
regarding "G-Mail... Again!":

MB> Hello Andreas!

MB> On Friday, December 24, 2004, 6:01 AM, you wrote:

>> How can I do that via template?

>> Is it enough to include %SIGNCOMPLETE in my message template?

MB> Yes. That's all you need, if you have OpenPGP enabled in
MB> Account/Properties/Options (main window).

MB> I just added it to my Reply and New message templates in Address
MB> Book/tbot [address]/Edit/Properties, and it's working like a charm!


Well, let' see, if it works here, too. :-)




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Re[2]: G-Mail... Again!

[Andreas Schwartmann]

Hi, Bat folks,

on  Fri, 24 Dec 2004 at 06:30:28 GMT -0500 (which was Friday, December
24, 2004, 12:30 where I live) Allie Martin wrote the following lines
regarding "G-Mail... Again!":

AM> On Friday, December 24, 2004 at 6:25:13 AM [GMT -0500], Mary Bull
AM> wrote:

>>> Practice good e-mail security and you won't see them.

>> Allie, what do you mean?

AM> If you PGP/MIME or S/MIME sign your messages to TBOT, the ads will not
AM> appear as footers.



How can I do that via template?

Is it enough to include %SIGNCOMPLETE in my message template?



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