Re[4]: AVG plug in after re-installing?
Hello DG, Monday, November 11, 2002, 9:51:10 PM, you wrote: DRS -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- DRS Hash: SHA1 DRS Monday, November 11, 2002 DRS 9:37:21 PM DRS RE: AVG plug in after re-installing? DRS Greetings rick, DRS On Saturday, November 9, 2002, 1:37:44 PM, you wrote: r If you read the url I posted to thomas, r http://www.virusbtn.com/magazine/archives/pdf/2002/200206.pdf on page r 19 (pdf document) virus bulletin review explains clearly why they used r a older version of grisoft for the tests. There appeared to be r technical difficulties with grisoft. The AVG product caused blue r screens, and failed to update properly. DRS H. Been using AVG Pro in conjunction with Fprot Antivirus for a DRS long time. I would question the results of these claims of failure, on DRS the behalf of Grisoft, based simply on the fact that the testers were DRS unable to run the current version of the AV without BSoD's (haven't run DRS into that on ANY of the workstations here running Win95 through WinXP DRS and there are 200+) which inclines me to believe that the testing DRS company is having some serious problems with their OS's. DRS As a network engineer and lead IS/IT I can say that no AV solution is DRS 100% however Grisoft's AVG has yet to show any type of failure rate DRS that is claimed above. DRS Thanks. Bias is a wonderful thing in this world and so is belief. Vendors submit their products to virus bulletin for testing. The results speak for themselves. AVG is horrible. The one test you quote when AVG had BSOD problems is only one time. What about the other 17 failures? What is grisofts excuse? There is also a society called the 'flat earth society' who believe the earth is flat. There is also a group of people who do not believe that humans landed on the moon. I am not going to argue you the merits of the moon/flat earth societies but i will debate the validity of AVG. If you would research AVG via virus bulletin then perhaps you would learn and not be so biased. AVG is a poor performer and the testing clearly shows this. Here is quote from virus bulletin test of AVG nov, 2001 It managed to produce a smattering of false positives in the clean test set which, akin to the previous product, scuppered AVG's attempt at gaining a VB100% award. AVG was also notable in this test for missing files in all of the test sets rather than the more limited selection which characterized detection rates over all products. Particularly surprising was the repeated missing of the .HTA sample of JS/Kak.A which has bee in the wild for a number of years. ON-DEMAND test results for AVG #of viruses missed during this test by AVG: in-the-wild : 1 macro : 20 polymorphic : an outstanding 167 standard: 66 total viruses missed : 254 test machine november 2001 was WindowsNT also there were numerous false positives. Why don't you investigate their testing methods. You put a virus on the computer and see if the product can detect it in default setting. Therefore if I had sent you the JS/KaK.A virus then you would have become infected with it probably unless you took other precautions because AVG would not have detected it even after this virus had been out for more than 2 years. And you defend this product? -- Best regards, rick Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: AVG plug in after re-installing?
Hello Anne, On or about Sunday, November 10, 2002, 12:49:14 PM, in a galaxy far, far away, Anne wrote: A Er that's OK insofar as TB! and e-mail goes Spike, but to say that A an AV is unnecessary because one runs TB! is overlooking the fact that A virus can be introduced to a system in other ways as well - e.g. via A floppy disks, CD-Rom etc, and via downloaded software - so unless you A don't introduce any other software to your system it's always at risk A of infection - even with the security settings in the browser set to A optimum. I have a separate condom equipped junk system that I test the rare odd floppy or CD on if necessary. It has NO MODEM, NO HDD, boots with a floppy, and uses a NAV rescue disk (borrowed from a paranoid friend). In the rare instance where I purchase software online from a less than mainstream vendor, I do the same, using a ZIP drive in the same machine. I actually use it only 3-5 times a YEAR out of necessity. I do use this system to experiment with virus material I receive, but with my ISP condomizing my mail now, I have to use a stand-alone account to receive anything to experiment with. I then install a junk HDD and let the bugger rip! Surprisingly little if any real damage occurs anyway. In other words yes, I have this down to a science. I should, as I have been building my own machines since the first PC/XT clones. I've only purchased one brand name computer in my life, and it was a total unmitigated disaster. Proprietary EVERYTHING, and 300-400% higher to upgrade than generic. $195 for a $35 power supply when needed, floppy drives with backwards (non-standard) connections.. I'll be the first to admit that I'm an unusually well informed user, but it doesn't take rocket science to protect yourself from the dearth of XXX.jpg.pif/scr or similar foolishness out there. The security fixes for the browser are easy for anyone who can read a list and check/uncheck a click-box. The specs are published on most any security site. Before I deviate totally afield (into total O/T territory) let me finish by saying that a _well-informed_ TB! user has no need for e-mail scanning. IMHO it is a needless drag on resources. I'll have no more to say on this issue, as I have no desire to be glue factory material. -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike -- Get a PERMANENT 100MB capacity mailbox for ONLY $29.95/year. No more lost mail due to mailbox capacity restrictions. Access by POP3 or Webmail! Earn a FREE mailbox with their referral program. (HINT - You get $11.00 towards your mailbox for each referral who signs up!) Apply NOW at http://1110.runbox.com -- Running The Bat! V1.60h on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
