Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Sudip, On Saturday, October 19, 2002, 3:12:03 AM, you authored this: SP On Friday, October 18, 2002 17:46 your local time, (22:31 my local SP time), you wrote: SP Don't quote me on this, but I don't think you can use them SP simultaneously. Besides, why would you want to do that? It's more of a SP redundancy than extra protection. Just for the record, I have always used multiple virus scanners on my home LAN, well I say always, but what I mean really is ever since moving from WFWG 3.11 to the 32bit (cough) operating systems all those years back. If you don't run real-time virus scanning tasks in the background/as services, which I don't because of the performance overhead and because it is mostly overkill, then having multiple scanners is pretty straight forward: you simply disable all real-time protection that the software provides and use the on-demand part of the software. I've not encountered any problems, ever, using scanners like this, and in fact I have at one time had four scanners installed at the same time whilst testing them for effectiveness. Virus scanners only need exclusivity when they are running real time / system tasks as they often will cause conflicts when they run concurrently. SP I use AVG plug-in and I *see* the loader screen appear briefly - at SP times for a longer time but that could be attributed to only 256MB RAM SP on my XP pro It could be that I am missing the AVG loading as it is too quick in that case. Maybe the Kapersky plug is slow to load so that's why I see it at not AVG :) - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/index.shtml -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbE8P8tub/5cfolmEQKAvgCfR4DSDN8qHXQECE6Yb6eTarrqaYoAoO8p vc0PNrzKbsxknXF0vXFKeVa2 =abVy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Chris, On Saturday, October 19, 2002, 1:53:34 AM, you authored this: CW I believe you can, as I was for a while, but it was a bit of overkill CW with potential conflicts, which isn't nice as I experienced earlier CW today! :-( Killed my PC until I managed to restart (removing the battery CW from my laptop) into safe mode. Then did a system restore, removed CW unwanted virus scanners and now running like a dream again. DrWeb seems CW very nice and also checks compressed files before execution, which is CW currently being discussed, but something I was personally looking for. I've never had conflicts on my system with multiple scanners, and that part isn't really a worry to me. I was just trying to figure out whether TB! would/would attempt to run all plugins in the list simultaneously, and therefore find out whether all scanners vie for priority, or whether TB! gives priority to the topmost plugin and ignores or queues the rest. CW All I see is that I've a plug-in but it doesn't say what program. It could be then that the Kapersky plugin is just verbose and the AVG one isn't :) Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/index.shtml -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbE+x8tub/5cfolmEQK3hgCbBGuYM8ZP9A0g7Ji2g1yBnT6uJBMAoKM4 6OSBT/ukH6jvRB4m7pMD0WLb =f+Xi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
Hi Simon, On Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:04 your local time, (16:49 my local time), you wrote: If you don't run real-time virus scanning tasks in the background/as services, which I don't because of the performance overhead and because it is mostly overkill, then having multiple scanners is pretty straight forward: Yes. I missed this point. I don't use real-time scanning either, but never considered having multiple scanners. This is probably because of my own threat assessment. -- be well, Sudip Pokhrel |/\ PM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |\ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign PGP Key ID: 0xD93F5185| X Against HTML E-mail ! http://pgpkeys.mit.edu|/ \ ___ Hollywood's Law #24: You're very likely to survive any battle in any war unless you make the mistake of showing someone a picture of your sweetheart back home ___ TB! v1.61 on XP Pro| P4-1.6Ghz 256MB RAM| Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Leif, On Saturday, October 19, 2002, 4:16:22 AM, you authored this: LG There have been numerous instances where one scanner detected a new LG virus where the others didn't depending on which company put the LG fingerprint into their signature files first. This is also my experience. It is also one of the reasons I stopped using McAfee as it used to fail to discover viruses, especially those that were doubled archived (I haven't used McAfee for ages so I would suspect that isn't a problem now) . An infected rar inside a zip would slip by McAfee unnoticed. I also used Trend Micro's scanner for ages and it managed to pick up on infected files more often than Norton and McAfee would. LG I wouldn't recommend running multiple virus scanners simultaneously on LG a single machine, but cross scanning on a network has proven most LG valuable to me. Especially since most of the people who read my LG newsletter have my editor address in their addressbook, which means LG any virus/worm which exploits Lookout / Lookout Express will send me LG an infected e-mail. I literally get *hundreds* of infected e-mail per LG month. When Klez first hit the wild, I got over 240 infected e-mail in LG two weeks. The Bat faithfully kept me nice and safe, and the virus LG scanners quarantined all the bad stuff regardless of which machine LG they were on. My experiences have proven to me that using more than one prophylactic improves the odds of discovery. I always scan any file that I receive with each installed scanner and then run a separate trojan scanner on it afterwards. To date, my systems have been stable with multiple scanners installed (but run manually), remained clean, and infected files have never got past the detection stage, or TB for that matter! Most of the infected files I get are via e-mail and so end up in the account's attachments folder and never get beyond there. However, I was manually scanning these folders before now, and so liked the idea of automating the task with the plugins when the feature was added from 1.60 onward. Anyhow, I still don't know whether TB! executes each plugin concurrently, or whether only the topmost plugin gets used :) - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/index.shtml -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbFDeMtub/5cfolmEQLm6QCdHgdZ1xkEZq8tWREl2sImX8SmCrQAoMRe i8klCP1meJvE/MKFNc9yKEMm =mJFR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo Allie, On Saturday, October 19, 2002, 7:06:26 AM, you authored this: snipsees..you're it ACM This can be done safely as long as you ensure that they aren't assigned ACM to do the same scanning concurrently. This would negate running ACM real-time scanners for both at the same time. This would also negate ACM using plug-ins for both at the same time though theoretically having ACM one check incoming and one check outgoing mail should work but why ACM would one wish to do it that way. So am I misunderstanding the functionality of TB!'s plugins then Allie? I was imagining that they could be used thusly: if a user installed two/multiple AV plugins the scanners would run consecutively - on demand - thereby providing the advantage of a doublecheck.. if one AV scanner missed something then there would always be the safeguard of a second AV check. I was also under the impression that the plugins weren't reliant on real-time modules being loaded. Rather they functioned in the same way as other on demand scanners and quit after their task had completed. The fact that you are able to add more than one AV plugin to the Virus Checking Plug-ins config window led me to believe that the use of mutliple scanners was intended. If however this isn't the case, and only one AV package is ever going to be loaded to scan the incoming and outgoing mail, regardless of how many plugins exist in the list, then surely a simpler config window would be in order, offering only the ability to select one preferred AV plugin? - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/index.shtml -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbFeWctub/5cfolmEQKGHgCg1kXeuonptoJyJMSu/vHfl2eSsY4An0Qy lx7cOnvgB5B1x7jYODkF1Sde =pYmb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In mid:2210395234.20021019142952;theycallmesimon.co.uk, Simon [S] wrote:' S So am I misunderstanding the functionality of TB!'s plugins S then Allie? I was imagining that they could be used thusly: S if a user installed two/multiple AV plugins the scanners S would run consecutively - on demand - thereby providing the S advantage of a doublecheck.. if one AV scanner missed something S then there would always be the safeguard of a second AV check. There's evidence to show that this may not be a good thing. Chris Weaven posted earlier about getting this strange popup error when NOD32's plugin checked incoming attachments. No other NOD32 user who read his post, had ever experienced it, or knew the source of the problem. I continued to help him with the problem off-list and he mentioned by the way, that he was also using the AVG plug-in at the same time. This turned out to be the source of his problem. At the DrWeb plug-in download page they also recommend that you remove other plug-ins though they didn't explicitly state which other earlier installed plug-ins. I'm really not sure if a single check can be smoothly performed by multiple plug-ins. This would be so only if it is done in series and not at the same time. S I was also under the impression that the plugins weren't reliant S on real-time modules being loaded. They aren't. I was speaking about the two separately. S The fact that you are able to add more than one AV plugin S to the Virus Checking Plug-ins config window led me to believe S that the use of mutliple scanners was intended. You could conceivably use multiple scanners to do different things. You could have one check incoming mail, another check attachments while they are being saved or opened and another check outgoing mail. Though you may succeed in having two plugins check one area together it just might create conflicts as it did in Cris' case. Perhaps the conflict is secondary to buggy behaviour rather than a genuine conflict that can't be resolved. I really am not sure. - -- Allie C Martin \ TB! v1.62/Beta6 WinXP Pro (SP1) List Moderator/ PGP Key - http://pub-key.ac-martin.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1-cvs (Win32) - GPGshell v2.60 iD8DBQE9sWUyV8nrYCsHF+IRAmwMAJ4xRivAii2LXLFdKVXG7ReEJx2mAACfS7UI fv53tFuQYmc+v71fZitHoA4= =BH24 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo TB! users, I'm returning to the list after a fairly long absence so first off hello :) Nice to have the TBUL folder filling up quickly again ;) Anyway, here are my Q.s: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!: I am using Kapersky and AVG antivirus softwares for system virus protection, and now have AV plugins for both antivirus programs installed under The Bat! The Kapersky plugin is shown as v3.590 and the AVG plugin is shown as v9 AVG 6.0.404. The question(s) * Can you use multiple AV plugins/scanners with TB!? * When launching TB! I can see a spash/loader screen appear briefly for Kapersky but not for AVG. Does anyone know if this is normal? (I only installed the plugin for AVG today. I've been manually scanning the mail folders with AVG up until now) * In TB!'s virus protection settings, you can order the plugins by moving them up and down. I have moved the AVG plugin to the topmost slot. Will this mean that AVG will be used soley to scan email or that both scanners will be used and AVG will be used before Kapersky? * When manually scanning accounts using Folder/Check for Viruses there are no options to select which AV scanner to use for the scanning task. Does this mean that the all AV scanners will be used to check accounts or only the topmost plugin under virus protection settings. Thanks :) - -- Slán, Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk ___ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/index.shtml -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 iQA/AwUBPbA63ctub/5cfolmEQICRgCfamkbI4E2tmOPaSX+qEKVx8YCMUsAn0I+ rlRfc55qLTQ/J/GZHpXYx2HM =sDkk -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
I have the AVG plug-in installed. It does flash up a window briefly for me, saying it's there, when I launch The Bat! I went to the Kaspersky website and posted a query. Got a message back by e-mail saying that Kaspersky advises not to have more than one AV program installed on a machine, because multiple AV programs can interfere with proper operation of the AV programs. I am a Bat newbie, and this is my first post to this list. I don't know how to make a signature that shows what I am running, so will just put it here in the text: Running The Bat! version 1.61 on Windows 95B, on Compaq 4540 with 32 MB of RAM. Maybe someone else can answer the rest of your questions. I would like to know the answer to them, also. Mary S -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- S Hash: SHA1 S 'Lo TB! users, S I'm returning to the list after a fairly long absence so first off hello :) S Nice to have the TBUL folder filling up quickly again ;) Anyway, here are my S Q.s: S Regarding AV Plugins for TB!: S I am using Kapersky and AVG antivirus softwares for system virus protection, S and now have AV plugins for both antivirus programs installed under The Bat! S The Kapersky plugin is shown as v3.590 and the AVG plugin is shown as v9 AVG S 6.0.404. S The question(s) S * Can you use multiple AV plugins/scanners with TB!? S * When launching TB! I can see a spash/loader screen appear briefly for S Kapersky but not for AVG. Does anyone know if this is normal? (I only S installed the plugin for AVG today. I've been manually scanning the mail S folders with AVG up until now) S * In TB!'s virus protection settings, you can order the plugins by moving S them up and down. I have moved the AVG plugin to the topmost slot. Will this S mean that AVG will be used soley to scan email or that both scanners will be S used and AVG will be used before Kapersky? S * When manually scanning accounts using Folder/Check for Viruses there are S no options to select which AV scanner to use for the scanning task. Does S this mean that the all AV scanners will be used to check accounts or only S the topmost plugin under virus protection settings. S Thanks :) S - -- S Slán, S Simon theycallmesimon.co.uk S ___ S Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 S PGP Key: http://pgp.netbanger.com/index.shtml S -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- S Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your privacy with PGP! S Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 S Comment: Fingerprint: 851C F927 0296 FF1C 70A2 474F CB6E 6FFE 5C7E 8966 S iQA/AwUBPbA63ctub/5cfolmEQICRgCfamkbI4E2tmOPaSX+qEKVx8YCMUsAn0I+ S rlRfc55qLTQ/J/GZHpXYx2HM S =sDkk S -END PGP SIGNATURE- S S Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: S http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
Hi Simon, On Friday, October 18, 2002 17:46 your local time, which was 09:46 my local time, Simon Simon wrote; Regarding AV Plugins for TB!: * Can you use multiple AV plugins/scanners with TB!? I believe you can, as I was for a while, but it was a bit of overkill with potential conflicts, which isn't nice as I experienced earlier today! :-( Killed my PC until I managed to restart (removing the battery from my laptop) into safe mode. Then did a system restore, removed unwanted virus scanners and now running like a dream again. DrWeb seems very nice and also checks compressed files before execution, which is currently being discussed, but something I was personally looking for. * When launching TB! I can see a spash/loader screen appear briefly for Kapersky but not for AVG. Does anyone know if this is normal? (I only installed the plugin for AVG today. I've been manually scanning the mail folders with AVG up until now) All I see is that I've a plug-in but it doesn't say what program. I'm running DrWeb with the plug-in after using both AVG and NOD32. * In TB!'s virus protection settings, you can order the plugins by moving them up and down. I have moved the AVG plugin to the topmost slot. Will this mean that AVG will be used soley to scan email or that both scanners will be used and AVG will be used before Kapersky? Sorry, can't help on that one, but would've thought both would still scan, with AVG taking pole position :-) * When manually scanning accounts using Folder/Check for Viruses there are no options to select which AV scanner to use for the scanning task. Does this mean that the all AV scanners will be used to check accounts or only the topmost plugin under virus protection settings. Good question. Not sure how much help that was, but I gave it a shot. Chris. -- E-Mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Created Using The Bat! V1.61 and Virus Checked by DrWeb. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Regarding AV Plugins for TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mary, 18-Oct-2002, 19:40 -0500 (01:40 UK time) Mary Bull [MB] in mid:16644228048.20021018194056;premiernet.net said: MB I am a Bat newbie, and this is my first post to this list. ... snip Welcome to the list and sorry to do this to a list newcomer, but it has to be said S S Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: S http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html moderator You're using the top posting reply format. It is called top posting because you let the quotes appear at the bottom and type your reply at the top. I personally loathe top-posting. It is a hangover from days when people didn't say much in email. The worst thing about it is that it forces people to scroll down and then back up to your response to find out what you're talking about. Please don't reply like that on this list. I also encourage you to wean yourself off it in your private correspondence too out of consideration to those who have to read your messages, but that's your choice. It only ever works when you don't have much to say and can trim the original text to tighter context so that the whole message can be read in one. As a result of top posting, your message includes all signatures and previous list footers of the message you are replying to - another no-no and this one is against the list rules. Please trim your replies. /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62/Beta6 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0-nr2 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9sKx8OeQkq5KdzaARAqksAKD7PK2TsTFHgunCaJNUpTxJdFU8YwCg23R4 1ju+4yzTZdsPbWQw7OT73rM= =OcPo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
