Trouble with Connection Centre
From time to time, as right now, CC hangs up when ostensibly trying to check mail on one email account. The one it is hung on currently is GMX and is **usually** this one too. I can not _Delete Task_ . I can not _Abort All_. I must bring up the task manager and Kill TB! Poor Fledermaus !! Is this something that happens to others more specifically on certain Mail Servers? Does this happen regularly to many Fledermaüsers wondering if that is a real word or I made it up? -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: _ The Bat! Version: 3.70.06 Qigong (Beta) Windows ME FireFox Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Trouble with Connection Centre
Hallo Robert, On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:52:59 -0500GMT (2-2-2006, 12:52 +0100, where I live), you wrote: RD From time to time, as right now, CC hangs up when ostensibly trying to RD check mail on one email account. The one it is hung on currently is RD GMX and is **usually** this one too. That's a long time issue. When an already established connection with a server fails, the CC (and TB) gets stuck. It's not very strange that it's the same server most of the time, because it has something to do with the quality of your connection to the server and gmx is supposed to be on the other side of the world for you. Of course it can be related to the time you're connected to the server, suppose you get ten times as much mail from gmx as from the rest, then it's got ten times as likely that that connection fails when you've got a bad connection from your ISP. So, in other words: It's a known issue and it's not strange that it's often the same connection. I don't know how much bandwidth you've got with gmx, but you could consider to check the mail less frequently. That lessens the chance of failure. (Unless every connection with gmx is already downloading mail) -- Groetjes, Roelof The ultimate Virus, a self-installing copy of Bob. The Bat! 3.70.06 Qigong (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgp0zyPxLwQv6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Trouble with Connection Centre
Recently, Roelof Otten squawked : I don't know how much bandwidth you've got with gmx, not sure it's, as such, bandwidth. That is to say, _when_ I see it fail, as it is now for 1.6 hours according to the CC, it tried to get mail and never seemed to get out of that mode. And that is typically how it fails a first-in-an-hour email-check then fails without making it through. Now, I always press _check mail for all_ and that may be the REAL issue. But I have never just tried, for a month solid, to check as individual ... but will suspect that it would fix the issue indeed. Tell you what. I will check the box that says ignore this account on and just do GMX manually for a week or so. -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Trouble with Connection Centre
Hello Robert, On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 at 06:52:59 -0500, (which is 02.02.2006 at 13:52:59 +2000 where I live), you wrote: I can not _Delete Task_ . I can not _Abort All_. I must bring up the task manager and Kill TB! Poor Fledermaus !! I don't know the resoultion but the same issue was happening here when checking my GMX acount a few months ago. I found CC hung when I came back and see the status bar many times. That problem only occured in my GMX account. However now everything seems to be ok. -- Best regards, Zeynel Abidin Öztürk :flag-turkey: Running The Bat! v3.70.06 Qigong (Beta) Translation of Turkish The Bat! Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Trouble with Connection Centre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 2 Feb 2006, @ @ at 08:29:17 -0500, when Robert D. wrote: I don't know how much bandwidth you've got with gmx, not sure it's, as such, bandwidth. That is to say, _when_ I see it fail, as it is now for 1.6 hours according to the CC, it tried to get mail and never seemed to get out of that mode. And that is typically how it fails a first-in-an-hour email-check then fails without making it through. If CC works properly then it abides to the Server Timeout, which is usually about 60 seconds (Account | Properties | Transport). If connection is not established within this time, CC simply closes/dismiss this account, for the session. I don't think it is a GMX issue, since they will rather leave a message (too frequent login, try later or similar), in Log Panel, and in no way will block Bian Fu. At least it never happen to me, having few GMX accounts for years, and some of them working quite a lot. Else, as I know, capacity of GMX Mailbox is 1 GB (for free accounts, and for pro ones much more), so a pause in checking for mail even of few days should not be a problem. CC usually freezes for other reasons rather, mostly related to Bian Fu's plugins, specific settings/maintenance and OS's issues. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 519 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBQ+IdW7SpHvHEUtv8AQO/1wgAl7mMsGfbDdUYkz4T9jv+83Re/1zv33J2 eiPSFpmWHLoqz+T0W7+4QeG+1zL2KLIKfCiK0zzzb9Uiqbgp2plxdEv8aeFEqpRI CAND1kwPu8JL/kDfSuOC25twYX80heKet90eK5M4sMbbuRU+tRw2Wn6RfkkrSqsa AhhuHmPNbO7GpUfd7lUaeV2uia8Ua3WZimidbMNFtrG49TImF6Hu1ErkotR9epyL xN2A4UTjlFZmzpm+6FfXWRdQjQ5Zt7aO6ocZqluJAXOLfzPwKDQTo8a711QMVObX VoNALMIzC1F1lRZlLcP87DuNTxULGPEdRVzF7TBszxmKZZ5GyZQ3Hg== =p8zR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Trouble with Connection Centre
Hello Roelof, On Thursday, February 2, 2006, 1:28:18 PM, which was 5:23:45 PM where I am, you wrote: RO On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:52:59 -0500GMT (2-2-2006, 12:52 +0100, where I RO live), you wrote: RD From time to time, as right now, CC hangs up when ostensibly trying to RD check mail on one email account. The one it is hung on currently is RD GMX and is **usually** this one too. RO That's a long time issue. When an already established connection with RO a server fails, the CC (and TB) gets stuck. RO It's not very strange that it's the same server most of the time, RO because it has something to do with the quality of your connection to RO the server and gmx is supposed to be on the other side of the world RO for you. I've had the same problem for many months now, despite ADSL and a local ISP. RO Of course it can be related to the time you're connected to the RO server, suppose you get ten times as much mail from gmx as from the RO rest, then it's got ten times as likely that that connection fails RO when you've got a bad connection from your ISP. RO So, in other words: It's a known issue and it's not strange that it's RO often the same connection. RO I don't know how much bandwidth you've got with gmx, but you could RO consider to check the mail less frequently. That lessens the chance of RO failure. I find that a rather strange suggestion. I have arranged my settings so that TB! downloads mail on startup; I've also tried to download, only when I do Ctrl-F2, with many shades in-between (I even purchased the Professional Edition), but all with very relative degrees of success. Logically, I guess, if I stopped trying to access my email for a week, I would be free of the problem for a good seven days... -- Regards, Maurice Using The Bat! 3.65.03 on Windows XP Pro 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Trouble with Connection Centre
On 2/2/06, Mica Mijatovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 2 Feb 2006, @ @ at 08:29:17 -0500, when Robert D. wrote: I don't know how much bandwidth you've got with gmx, not sure it's, as such, bandwidth. That is to say, _when_ I see it fail, as it is now for 1.6 hours according to the CC, it tried to get mail and never seemed to get out of that mode. And that is typically how it fails a first-in-an-hour email-check then fails without making it through. If CC works properly then it abides to the Server Timeout, which is usually about 60 seconds (Account | Properties | Transport). If connection is not established within this time, CC simply closes/dismiss this account, for the session. I suppose this is part of the same problem. I've had the connection center hang for days before. CC usually freezes for other reasons rather, mostly related to Bian Fu's plugins, specific settings/maintenance and OS's issues. Actually, I'm pretty sure the probelm stems from The Bat, and its handling of network connections. Try going through something like a proxy, k9 for examle. I've written about this before: once all of The Bat's traffic is routed through a proxy of some sort (k9 and something homebrew), my connection center issues went away. Things will usually time out properly. If it doesn't, I can at least always delete the task, etc. -- WL Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Trouble with Connection Centre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 2 Feb 2006, @ @ at 17:42:20 +0100, when Maurice McAdam wrote: Logically, I guess, if I stopped trying to access my email for a week, I would be free of the problem for a good seven days... Hahaha... Exactly. That's why some people retreat (in)to monasteries. - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 519 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBQ+JO97SpHvHEUtv8AQPfYAgAi1HuKzYKtZTtsf84NSnjYsPTpNWea/ri QF/rGakFG2sp0ESs+WAPECbEQxgzdSv3Lb2FfVjXF1gcXA+uGR67mHUd+svtne3d mmV20IkLt9JEpHMy3//qDtbPFzi4F+jrwAznbi9qVvo6zR9fbVcnxNYbH4PU2qs9 aBw52M51kW60yX+oiRXMEuSWcfQQT3cqfgoePMsvK2FHHX37mGMw1Wdh+fRrBYsE cIkXw+0EmX1jfs6CdDQB/9mvRfSK7T17R7BRosKx+jg1AnUjuGZI4/DSrj05FBXI 2dyLjanvJsnywgj9g1UUTbu5VmHFD/k0Xq9AvgCfTrsyrw7R1BtKIg== =oW/g -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Trouble with Connection Centre
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~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 2 Feb 2006,
@ @ at 15:55:24 +0100, when Mica Mijatovic wrote:
I don't think it is a GMX issue, since they will rather leave a
message (too frequent login, try later or similar), in Log Panel,
and in no way will block Bian Fu.
Those are server's messages like this...
!4306-05-29, 12:03:07: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is:
- -ERR logged in too frequently, try again in 3 minute(s).
...where the number of minutes may wary, from one to 7, 8, 9 etc. Or
messages like this...
!4305-06-18, 22:48:05: SEND - Server reports error. The response is:
4.3.2 {mp013} Too many mails (mass delivery by gmx user), try again in 7
minute(s)
...and this...
!4305-12-11, 23:56:31: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is:
- -ERR System temporarily unavailable, please try again later...
...etc.
- --
Mica
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~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given
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Re: Trouble with Connection Centre
Recently, WL opined : Try going through something like a proxy, k9 for examle. Yes, OK, I will give it a try. Por la Mica : I don't see the messages about too frequent email checks when this has happened/is happening ... I have SEEN those type messages but you certainly realise that IF I am able to see the Don't bother gmx message then CC DID function correctly. And I have varied timeout to no avail And what is Bian Fu: and who much do I owe him? -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Trouble with Connection Centre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 2 Feb 2006, @ @ at 11:39:40 -0600, when WL wrote: CC usually freezes for other reasons rather, mostly related to Bian Fu's plugins, specific settings/maintenance and OS's issues. Actually, I'm pretty sure the probelm stems from The Bat, and its handling of network connections. Try going through something like a proxy, k9 for examle. I've written about this before: once all of The Bat's traffic is routed through a proxy of some sort (k9 and something homebrew), my connection center issues went away. Things will usually time out properly. If it doesn't, I can at least always delete the task, etc. Both might be the case, I agree. I can just tell/report what I practise, if that can be of some help to others, namely... I choose a version which is (enough) stable (otherwise fixing/reporting bugs might become an endless process and a merriment for/of millions, while the action/work limps). I must confess and unbosom that I have no much patience/time with/for buggy software, and am rather prone to change it and/or apply some workaround or a specific routine, than to work and spend my time (additionally) on what is actually programer's duty. If someone makes a program with just few -+ irrelevant bugs, or even without them, that's okay for me. But if a program is constantly flooded with those insects which are actually quite relevant, influencing thus its functionality, then I get rid of it, I kick it out and take something I can do my work with. In the case of Komori! it's a clean application (no plugins, no jokes) and as fewer interactions as possible with outer programs. With The Flying Mammal! having that powerful, in general, filtering system, with a little bit of an once-but-for-ever work, no additional anti-spam program is needed at all. Those and such are the charms of La Chauve-Souris! - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 519 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBQ+JelbSpHvHEUtv8AQOOSgf/XDP7+yA4g37e4aHmDTGe2bD+rO/VrgdE KqB9/k//oOJ046gzeqqO5knCYOwXdO8lzBrDmAqZkLkG7odofnqaHSqEjJPP+ZxO 76gMhaWEyz4Ys0PPCgoAWsOFxytMYVL/FKZuqRV19KGhAMEO5IIGBfh864eMJRem J24bw4tSucfDD4fS7RorOFj5J8/BPGFLoVRV82sPKu25U1n2sPTky20fd1sDdJ0N EKffzNfInqEnfcpJKAheRVwJH61xoIi70Yg1tdHYltGXVEo5uc0e19uocBXd2GHk 3XEtnsPrHjfe4KLYEfgYsFQaBYMxo5x7imtywx0zNkv/7JCoYkBQTA== =X+MX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Trouble with Connection Centre
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 2 Feb 2006, @ @ at 14:37:05 -0500, when Robert D. wrote: Por la Mica : I don't see the messages about too frequent email checks when this has happened/is happening ... I have SEEN those type messages but you certainly realise that IF I am able to see the Don't bother gmx message then CC DID function correctly. If I had known that you have seen them, I would realize that, yes. And what is Bian Fu: and who much do I owe him? Bian Fu is La Chauve-Souris in Chinese. It might be both she and he. You do owe them both good and bad moments in your e-mailing life. Including the CC's lethargy/numbness. Btw, do you have male or female copy of Komori? (: - -- Mica PGP keys nestled at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 519 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector Linuxes via Wine... ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From|Reply To field(s). ~~~ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEVAwUBQ+JnB7SpHvHEUtv8AQPO3QgAsdsqcpfG79qIq1Vz3TY1t79KfBfDI0nb cWuIFcTDcqOrVJpGCq8oX7XW5mP4AEoss5cqajd8lT5XyzemEeKiRcXZeV+ZLLIc Wfa2aNf7UNPTJcO3HMDzHJSigiDntRbOaCedhB9abtukjTVwJVLXJNjKNAGosk3z EIgGV7X9eEXq/buK977s0kNObgSVIvtzse9OoJzEJ3xkizi6lyFPPTg7es3QNFag MKguHQf6sPt8pIuNwlD3u1vmhD3CMJSBvsMZUFceZTXuhFH3QFiMlpAjquLQMvr9 Cg33IlVMqobWvClfYMWWpytGrnqNB9CDK6KHKMlxXnBC9UZP4Ag2UA== =aVQ1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Trouble with Connection Centre
On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 at 17:42:20 +0100, Maurice wrote: Logically, I guess, if I stopped trying to access my email for a week, I would be free of the problem for a good seven days... Good thinking 99! -- Robin Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Popfile v0.22.3 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Trouble with Connection Centre
Robin Anson waved a wand then said : Good thinking 99! MAXWELL !!! Answer your bloody shoe !! -- Regards, Robert D. :flag-us-ky: Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
