Re: templates via ab?

[Östen Häggmark]

Hello Marck,

26 okt 2000 03:09:02  +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:
 
MDP> A member of multiple groups favours the first group of which
MDP> they are a member.

Right, well, it seems to difficult to keep track of, for me at
least.

I have removed all group templates. When I want to send mail to a
group (newsletter type), I have created a "dummy" AB entry (goes
back to myself) which holds the template for the newsletter. This
I place in the To field.

The grouphandle  goes to the Bcc field.

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Re: templates via ab?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Östen,

On 25 October 2000 at 17:00:52 GMT +0200 (which was 16:00 where I
live) Östen Häggmark wrote and made these points on the subject
of "templates via ab?":

ÖH> Could you please explain this? I have been trying to use Group
ÖH> templates but stopped.

Not really, but I'll try. It's still somewhat theoretical and quite
hard to configure, but it should work if you can configure it.

ÖH> Because as soon as I send a mail to an AB entry that has no
ÖH> personal template, it picks up a template from one of the Groups
ÖH> it belongs to.

Exactly the point. If the first groups you create are the ones with
the generic templates then those are the templates that will get used
for their members when there are no entry specific AB templates.

Like I say, it's a theory. I don't need this functionality for
myself and I would have to rip apart my address book and rebuild it
around a better constructed group-set to take advantage of it. This is
because the groups seem to stick in the order in which they are
created. A member of multiple groups favours the first group of which
they are a member.

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Re: templates via ab?

[Östen Häggmark]

Hello Marck,

Markus:
MG>> I don't want to group my people by the language they speak.

Mark:
MDP> You don't have to change that. You can add people to as many different
MDP> groups as you wish. The first one they appear in is the one whose
MDP> templates take precedence. That's why I said make two *primary* groups
MDP> to specify language.

Could you please explain this? I have been trying to use Group
templates but stopped.

Because as soon as I send a mail to an AB entry that has no
personal template, it picks up a template from one of the Groups
it belongs to.

Using Group templates implied having to create AB templates for
every entry so I gave it up.

I'm also bilingual 50/50 so to be able to set the spelling
without having to create a template would be great.

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Re: templates via ab?

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Juergen,

On  Tue, 24 Oct 2000  at  12:37:46 GMT +0200 (which was 3:37 AM
where I live) witnesses say Juergen Frisch typed:


>No, not quick templates, but personal templates for every person in
>you address book.

You can do a combination.  Define the template in quick templates as
Marck described then use the %QINCLUDE macro in your address book
templates.  I personally think this is better style for several
reasons.  In no particular order:

1. One centralised location for template editing.

2. You can define small portions of your templates and build up to
   more complex templates.

3. changes are easy, and get propagated to all affected
   templates.

4. It is a lot easier to retype only one line for any new contacts
   that come in. All their templates need is one line, %QINCLUDE="handle"

5. You can use your templates across accounts if you so desire.

6. There are many types of templates (AB entries, AB groups,
   Folder, Account, Print, Save, Auto-reply, Filters, etc.),
   quick templates are very useful in simplifying the confusion.

I'm sure there are other reasons to use Quick templates primarily, and
then reference them from your other template locations.  I'll let
others expand more if they feel the urge.


> Do it thst way. Create a template for a special
>person in your address book. Every time you are creating a message
>for that person the special template comes up. Put the cursor into
>the message body, when you have opened the editor.

This is good if there are very few AB entries/groups who need that
specific template.  If sets of commands are common to many of those
templates, consider putting those sets of commands into quick
templates and refer to them from your AB templates.

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Re: templates via ab?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Markus,

On 24 October 2000 at 19:14:09 GMT +0200 (which was 18:14 where I
live) Markus Gloede wrote and made these points on the subject
of "templates via ab?":

MG> Sorry, this doesn't cut the cake either.

Sorry, but *YES* it does! You're not thinking laterally enough ;-).

MG> I already have my contacts in meaningful groups with group
MG> specific templates.

That is not relevant - read on.

MG> I don't want to group my people by the language they speak.

You don't have to change that. You can add people to as many different
groups as you wish. The first one they appear in is the one whose
templates take precedence. That's why I said make two *primary* groups
to specify language.

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Re: templates via ab?

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

> The point was to use an account default for the bulk of addresses (no
> additional template needed) and give the /exceptions/ a custom
> template.

My correspondence is 50/50 German/English. There are no exceptions.

> Alternatively make two primary AB groups to which these individuals
> belong and define the templates once at *that* level. (why didn't I
> think of that before?).

Sorry, this doesn't cut the cake either. I already have my contacts in
meaningful groups with group specific templates. I don't want to group
my people by the language they speak.

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Re: templates via ab?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Markus,

On 24 October 2000 at 15:59:59 GMT +0200 (which was 14:59 where I
live) Markus Gloede wrote and made these points on the subject
of "templates via ab?":

>> ... then combine it with my answer using Quick Templates and that
>> makes it easier.

MG> I don't want to create a template for every address book entry. Not
MG> even one with QT handles.

The point was to use an account default for the bulk of addresses (no
additional template needed) and give the /exceptions/ a custom
template.

Alternatively make two primary AB groups to which these individuals
belong and define the templates once at *that* level. (why didn't I
think of that before?).

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Re: templates via ab?

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

On Tuesday, October 24, 2000, 1:21:50 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

> ... then combine it with my answer using Quick Templates and that
> makes it easier.

I don't want to create a template for every address book entry. Not
even one with QT handles.

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Re: templates via ab?

[Ming-Li]

On Tuesday, October 24, 2000, 6:04:10 AM, Markus wrote:

> No, it's not character set related. I use my default (Latin-1) for
> all messages, be they English or German. Yet, since you pointed
> that out, I would like a similar option like the character set for
> language (another dropdown on the Other pane in the address book).

Isn't the %Language macro enough, as others have pointed out? You
don't need to set it up for each individual. Create a group in AB
and set it there, then put all those to whom you need to write in
English (or German) into the group.

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Re: templates via ab?

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Hi Kari,

On 24 October 2000 at 13:08:41 GMT +0200 (which was 12:08 where I
live) Kari Jakobi wrote and made these points on the subject
of "templates via ab?":

MG>> Actually, working in a bilingual environment I have asked for a
MG>> language setting in the address book for ages. I can't create a
MG>> template for every individual address book entry, there should be
MG>> something like a language field which would at least allow
MG>> spellchecking in the proper language.

KJ> see a. curtis martin's first reply on this issue

... then combine it with my answer using Quick Templates and that
makes it easier.

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Re: templates via ab?

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

On Tuesday, October 24, 2000, 2:17:20 PM, Ming-Li wrote:

> In AB entry properties, go to the "Other" pane and the first option
> there is "when writing messages, always use character set: xxx". The
> same can be set for a group, too. I don't know if TB would use the
> right spellchecker, though, for I have only Am. English checker
> installed.

No, it's not character set related. I use my default (Latin-1) for all
messages, be they English or German. Yet, since you pointed that out,
I would like a similar option like the character set for language
(another dropdown on the Other pane in the address book).

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Re: templates via ab?

[Ming-Li]

On Tuesday, October 24, 2000, 3:55:38 AM, Markus wrote:

> Actually, working in a bilingual environment I have asked for a
> language setting in the address book for ages. I can't create a
> template for every individual address book entry, there should be
> something like a language field which would at least allow
> spellchecking in the proper language.

In AB entry properties, go to the "Other" pane and the first option
there is "when writing messages, always use character set: xxx". The
same can be set for a group, too. I don't know if TB would use the
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Re: templates via ab?

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Kari,

On 24 October 2000 at 12:03:54 GMT +0200 (which was 11:03 where I
live) Kari Jakobi wrote and made these points on the subject
of "templates via ab?":

ACM>> Yes. Use the %language="" macro in your AB
ACM>> templates.

KJ> sorry, my fault. i meant "quick templates" instead of fast templates.
KJ> can i have special layouted quick templates for my english people.
KJ> so that i select a user from my ab --> new message --> tb! opens a new
KJ> msg with the defined template.



KJ> is it possible?

Define your QTs and GERTEMP and ENGTEMP respectively. Make your
account default template something like
  %language=""
  %qinclude="GERTEMP"

Then, in the AB entries for the English speaking folk, use
  %qinclude="ENGTEMP"

You can increase the sophistication by adding Reply and Forward QTs in
the two languages and building those up as described above.

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Re[2]: templates via ab?

[Kari Jakobi]

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on the mission for "templates via ab?", Markus Gloede wrote:

MG> Actually, working in a bilingual environment I have asked for a
MG> language setting in the address book for ages. I can't create a
MG> template for every individual address book entry, there should be
MG> something like a language field which would at least allow
MG> spellchecking in the proper language.

see a. curtis martin's first reply on this issue

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Re: templates via ab?

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

On Tuesday, October 24, 2000, 11:28:20 AM, Kari Jakobi wrote:

> is there a possibility to connect fast templates with some people in my
> ab? to clarify: usually i send/receive messages in german. some of my ab
> entries are english speaking, so i want to use a fast template where
> everything is in english for them and my defaults for the rest.

Actually, working in a bilingual environment I have asked for a
language setting in the address book for ages. I can't create a
template for every individual address book entry, there should be
something like a language field which would at least allow
spellchecking in the proper language.

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Re[3]: templates via ab?

[Juergen Frisch]

Hello Kari Jakobi,

   on Tuesday, October 24, 2000, 12:03, you wrote:

> can i have special layouted quick templates for my english people.
> so that i select a user from my ab --> new message --> tb! opens a
> new msg with the defined template.


   No, not quick templates, but personal templates for every person in
   you address book. Do it thst way. Create a template for a special
   person in your address book. Every time you are creating a message
   for that person the special template comes up. Put the cursor into
   the message body, when you have opened the editor.

   BTW: There is a german mailing list:

   http://www.register-me.de/the_bat/

   Then choose "links".

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Re: templates via ab?

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  On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 12:03:54 +0200, Kari Jakobi wrote:

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ACM>> Yes. Use the %language="" macro in your AB templates.

KJ> sorry, my fault. i meant "quick templates" instead of fast
KJ> templates. can i have special layouted quick templates for my
KJ> english people. so that i select a user from my ab --> new message
KJ> --> tb! opens a new msg with the defined template.

You seem to wish to use address book templates. If you right click any
address book entry and look in the properties, you'll see template
editors for new, reply and forward messages. You could place your
English speaking correspondents addresses in an address book group and
define templates for the address book group by going into the address
book groups properties. Include the %language="" macro in all the group
templates. Whenever you create new messages to anyone in the group, the
defined group template and hence the correct language, will be used.

I'm not seeing how using a quick template would be advantageous in this
particular instance. Quick templates are particularly useful in two main
circumstances:
a) When you use a particular template component in many templates, such
as a signature template or a regex based macro. If you change either of
these, then the change will be reflected where ever the quick template is
being used.
c) Templates that aren't used frequently and which cannot be associated
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Re[2]: templates via ab?

[Kari Jakobi]

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ACM>   On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:28:20 +0200, Kari Jakobi wrote:

KJ>> is there a possibility to connect fast templates with some people in my
KJ>> ab? to clarify: usually i send/receive messages in german. some of my ab
KJ>> entries are english speaking, so i want to use a fast template where
KJ>> everything is in english for them and my defaults for the rest.

ACM> Yes. Use the %language="" macro in your AB templates.

sorry, my fault. i meant "quick templates" instead of fast templates.
can i have special layouted quick templates for my english people.
so that i select a user from my ab --> new message --> tb! opens a new
msg with the defined template.

eg. "herr schmid" will be opened with my
template for german users which is:

=Ursprüngliche Nachricht=
Von:%OFROMNAME mailto:%OFROMADDR
Gesendet:   %ODATE %OTIMELONG
An: %OTONAME mailto:%OTOADDR
Betreff:%OSUBJ

%TEXT


=Beginn der neuen Nachricht=

and "mr. john smith" will be opened with my template for english users:

=Original Message=
From: %OFROMNAME mailto:%OFROMADDR
Sent: %ODATE %OTIMELONG
To:   %OTONAME mailto:%OTOADDR
Subject:  %OSUBJ

%TEXT


=Begin Of New Message=

you see what i mean?

is it possible?

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Re: templates via ab?

[A . Curtis Martin]

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  On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 11:28:20 +0200, Kari Jakobi wrote:

KJ> is there a possibility to connect fast templates with some people in my
KJ> ab? to clarify: usually i send/receive messages in german. some of my ab
KJ> entries are english speaking, so i want to use a fast template where
KJ> everything is in english for them and my defaults for the rest.

Yes. Use the %language="" macro in your AB templates.

Help excerpt:

 LANGUAGE=”Language ID” - set the default spell checker language to
 the language defined by Language ID. Possible Language IDs can be:

 AM - American English

 EA - Australian English

 BR - British English


PS// If you're using any English apart from American, you'll need to
install the international pack.

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templates via ab?

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is there a possibility to connect fast templates with some people in my
ab? to clarify: usually i send/receive messages in german. some of my ab
entries are english speaking, so i want to use a fast template where
everything is in english for them and my defaults for the rest.


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