[TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
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[TCP] Request on cross postings
I dunno what the rules are here, but generally it's best not to cross post to dozens of lists. What happens is when someone replies all, then that someone ends up with lots of rejections. Most lists to which I belong specifically request members avoid cross-postings (addressing a single email to multiple lists). Anyways, please, it would be really nice not to have to either delete the bounces, or check and make sure that every addy I've replied to is, in fact, a list I belong to. (For example, I'm here but I'm not on techwhirl any more). Thanks! ...sue __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
I use UK punctuation, particularly with quotes. Makes more sense to me. I dunno, somehow this: Can you believe he said I think you're an idiot? makes more sense than: Can you believe he said I think you're an idiot? On 7/13/07, Sue Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, that's not that bad. Seriously. The sign was made with EN spelling, even though the name of the shuttle honors the UK. Heck, I misspell EN and UK stuff all the time (I dunno, but I always spell behavior with a u as in behaviour). -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob I see your OOO message and raise you a clue. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Request on cross postings
The same happened to me. I replied to a TCP post and got a nice you're not allowed to post here message in return. It took a minute to realize it came from techwr-l and not TCP... Please don't x-post. Pretty please. ;) On 7/13/07, Sue Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dunno what the rules are here, but generally it's best not to cross post to dozens of lists. What happens is when someone replies all, then that someone ends up with lots of rejections. Most lists to which I belong specifically request members avoid cross-postings (addressing a single email to multiple lists). Anyways, please, it would be really nice not to have to either delete the bounces, or check and make sure that every addy I've replied to is, in fact, a list I belong to. (For example, I'm here but I'm not on techwhirl any more). -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob I see your OOO message and raise you a clue. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
I agree wholeheartedly. I went back and forth about this with a coworker. The American English rule of putting all punctuation inside the quotation marks, even for lists of terms seems nutty to me. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:21 AM To: Sue Heim Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo I use UK punctuation, particularly with quotes. Makes more sense to me. I dunno, somehow this: Can you believe he said I think you're an idiot? makes more sense than: Can you believe he said I think you're an idiot? On 7/13/07, Sue Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, that's not that bad. Seriously. The sign was made with EN spelling, even though the name of the shuttle honors the UK. Heck, I misspell EN and UK stuff all the time (I dunno, but I always spell behavior with a u as in behaviour). -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob I see your OOO message and raise you a clue. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
And I realize I just cross-posted to both lists by replying to all. Apologies. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Vickery Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:36 AM To: Bill Swallow; Sue Heim Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: RE: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo I agree wholeheartedly. I went back and forth about this with a coworker. The American English rule of putting all punctuation inside the quotation marks, even for lists of terms seems nutty to me. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:21 AM To: Sue Heim Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo I use UK punctuation, particularly with quotes. Makes more sense to me. I dunno, somehow this: Can you believe he said I think you're an idiot? makes more sense than: Can you believe he said I think you're an idiot? On 7/13/07, Sue Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, that's not that bad. Seriously. The sign was made with EN spelling, even though the name of the shuttle honors the UK. Heck, I misspell EN and UK stuff all the time (I dunno, but I always spell behavior with a u as in behaviour). -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob I see your OOO message and raise you a clue. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com ^ Create HTML or Microsoft Word content and convert to Help file formats or printed documentation. Features include support for Windows Vista 2007 Microsoft Office, team authoring, plus more. http://www.DocToHelp.com/TechwrlList True single source, conditional content, PDF export, modular help. Help Manual is the most powerful authoring tool for technical documentation. Boost your productivity! http://www.helpandmanual.com --- You are currently subscribed to TECHWR-L as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.techwr-l.com/mailman/options/techwr-l/cvickery%40arenasolut ions.com To subscribe, send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.techwr-l.com/ for more resources and info. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Vickery Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:36 AM I agree wholeheartedly. I went back and forth about this with a coworker. The American English rule of putting all punctuation inside the quotation marks, even for lists of terms seems nutty to me. As I learned it, it's even nuttier than that: short punctuation (. and ,) goes inside the quotes; tall punctuation (; : ? !) goes outside. The explanation I read somewhere is that it was from the days of manual typesetting, when typesetters would do this to save space (I think the period and comma went directly under the quotes in those days, but I'm not sure.) Could be an urban legend for all I know. Bob Let what comes come, Let what goes go, Find out what remains --Sri Ramana Maharshi -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:21 AM To: Sue Heim Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo I use UK punctuation, particularly with quotes. Makes more sense to me. I dunno, somehow this: Can you believe he said I think you're an idiot? makes more sense than: Can you believe he said I think you're an idiot? On 7/13/07, Sue Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, that's not that bad. Seriously. The sign was made with EN spelling, even though the name of the shuttle honors the UK. Heck, I misspell EN and UK stuff all the time (I dunno, but I always spell behavior with a u as in behaviour). -- Bill Swallow __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
Not semicolons, colons, exclamation marks, and commas, unless they belong. Only periods and commas all the time. Cheers, Sean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Vickery Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:36 PM To: Bill Swallow; Sue Heim Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: RE: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo I agree wholeheartedly. I went back and forth about this with a coworker. The American English rule of putting all punctuation inside the quotation marks, even for lists of terms seems nutty to me DISCLAIMER: Important Notice * This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
Well, it's an easy mistake to make when we have two separate lists covering the allcaps exact same subject /allcaps, whose membership has the allcaps exact same professional background /allcaps, and whose membership overlaps to a large extent. Not that there's anything wrong with that. -Original Message- From: Chris Vickery Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:43 PM To: Chris Vickery; Bill Swallow; Sue Heim Cc: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo And I realize I just cross-posted to both lists by replying to all. This message contains confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for delivering it to the addressee, you are hereby notified that reading, disseminating, distributing, copying, electronic storing or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify us, by replying to the sender, and delete the original message immediately thereafter. Thank you. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
With many LOLs. ;-) On 7/13/07, Chris Vickery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leaving aside the Oxford comma, which way would you punctuate such a sentence? -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob I see your OOO message and raise you a clue. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
In U.S. usage, commas and periods always go inside the closing quotation mark, regardless of whether they belong. Sorry if I was confusing. So, U.S. is this: Tree Sloth, Fish Stick, and Ocelot. U.K. is this: Tree Sloth, Fish Stick, and Ocelot. Cheers, Sean -Original Message- From: Chris Vickery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:10 PM To: Brierley, Sean; Bill Swallow; Sue Heim Cc: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: RE: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo Wait...not commas unless they belong and only periods and commas all the time? That seems contradictory. I would punctuate this way: My nicknames include Tree Sloth, Fish Stick, and Ocelot. But I've seen the American standard expressed as: My nicknames include Tree Sloth, Fish Stick, and Ocelot. Leaving aside the Oxford comma, which way would you punctuate such a sentence? Chris -Original Message- From: Brierley, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:49 AM To: Chris Vickery; Bill Swallow; Sue Heim Cc: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: RE: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo Not semicolons, colons, exclamation marks, and commas, unless they belong. Only periods and commas all the time. Cheers, Sean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Vickery Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:36 PM To: Bill Swallow; Sue Heim Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: RE: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo I agree wholeheartedly. I went back and forth about this with a coworker. The American English rule of putting all punctuation inside the quotation marks, even for lists of terms seems nutty to me DISCLAIMER: Important Notice * This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems. DISCLAIMER: Important Notice * This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
On Friday, July 13, 2007, Brierley, Sean wrote: In U.S. usage, commas and periods always go inside the closing quotation mark, regardless of whether they belong. Sorry if I was confusing. So, U.S. is this: Tree Sloth, Fish Stick, and Ocelot. U.K. is this: Tree Sloth, Fish Stick, and Ocelot. I think it depends upon your English teacher when you learned this rule ;) I was always taught that punctuation placement was based on gasp context. There was no hard and fast always- outside/inside rule. So, even though I was born and raised in the Southern US, I use what I suppose is the British punctuation. Dana *** Dana Worley Software Product Manager/Manager, Software Support Group Campbell Scientific, Inc. Microsoft MVP, Windows Help __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
Wait...not commas unless they belong and only periods and commas all the time? That seems contradictory. I would punctuate this way: My nicknames include Tree Sloth, Fish Stick, and Ocelot. But I've seen the American standard expressed as: My nicknames include Tree Sloth, Fish Stick, and Ocelot. Leaving aside the Oxford comma, which way would you punctuate such a sentence? Chris -Original Message- From: Brierley, Sean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:49 AM To: Chris Vickery; Bill Swallow; Sue Heim Cc: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: RE: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo Not semicolons, colons, exclamation marks, and commas, unless they belong. Only periods and commas all the time. Cheers, Sean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Vickery Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:36 PM To: Bill Swallow; Sue Heim Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: RE: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo I agree wholeheartedly. I went back and forth about this with a coworker. The American English rule of putting all punctuation inside the quotation marks, even for lists of terms seems nutty to me DISCLAIMER: Important Notice * This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
I agree as well. Gets me in trouble occasionally. So, how long before those of us with sense can take over the American writing community? Bwahahaha (to quote Sean). Chuck Beck Sr. Technical Writer | Infor | Office: 614.523.7302 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Vickery Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:36 PM To: Bill Swallow; Sue Heim Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo I agree wholeheartedly. I went back and forth about this with a coworker. The American English rule of putting all punctuation inside the quotation marks, even for lists of terms seems nutty to me. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:21 AM To: Sue Heim Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo I use UK punctuation, particularly with quotes. Makes more sense to me. I dunno, somehow this: Can you believe he said I think you're an idiot? makes more sense than: Can you believe he said I think you're an idiot? On 7/13/07, Sue Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, that's not that bad. Seriously. The sign was made with EN spelling, even though the name of the shuttle honors the UK. Heck, I misspell EN and UK stuff all the time (I dunno, but I always spell behavior with a u as in behaviour). -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob I see your OOO message and raise you a clue. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
We do _not_ say aboot I have to say, I watch the Canadian-based Fox Soccer Report regularly, and the Canadian anchors most definitely say aboot. But hey, I'm a Californian-I probably don't realize how much I say dude! Chris From: Kevin McLauchlan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:28 AM To: Chris Vickery; Bill Swallow; Sue Heim Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: RE: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo A big me too!, on that quotation punctuation thing. My rule is to put the punctuation inside if it's necessary to the meaning of the embedded quotation, and outside if it's necessary to the meaning of my containing sentence. I've rarely had to deal with situations where the two would strongly conflict (pretty much never in technical writing), and that'd be a good time to consider recasting anyway. My employer is an American company, so the mandate is to use US-eng spelling in documents aimed outside, but for in-house communication - where we have a Canadian division, an Indian division, offices in the UK and Australia, etc. - I often write tongue-in-cheek behavio[u]r and similar to cover all the bases. By the way, I'd write Bill's second version if I were writing dialog among young folk, pre-teen to twenty something, where they sing-song the interrogative rise onto the end of every [EMAIL PROTECTED] sentence!!! Sorry. Sorry... I'm calm. I'm calm... I think it might have been ... was it... Jaimie on So You Think You Can Dance who ... er... um... held my rapt attention until they presented one of those interview segments where she peppered her speech with that sing-song intonation and several bushels (archaic measure, look it up) of y'know? It's similar to Wow! Looks, talent, passion - 11 out of ten! And then she lights a cigarette and drops to a 6. Same idea. Probably an equally tough set of habits to give up. Sigh. Kevin (in Canada, eh?) PS: I always wanted a better way to depict the Canajun eh. To me, that always looks more like what Bugs Bunny is saying in Eh, what's up doc?, a very different sound to my ear. C'mon, eh? Stay with me, now. PPS: We do _not_ say aboot. That'd be the Scots. I know we're hard to tell apart... gdrh On Behalf Of Chris Vickery reported: I agree wholeheartedly. I went back and forth about this with a coworker. The American English rule of putting all punctuation inside the quotation marks, even for lists of terms seems nutty to me. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Bill Swallow Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:21 AM I use UK punctuation, particularly with quotes. Makes more sense to me. I dunno, somehow this: Can you believe he said I think you're an idiot? makes more sense than: Can you believe he said I think you're an idiot? On 7/13/07, Sue Heim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, that's not that bad. Seriously. The sign was made with EN spelling, even though the name of the shuttle honors the UK. Heck, I misspell EN and UK stuff all the time (I dunno, but I always spell behavior with a u as in behaviour). The information contained in this electronic mail transmission may be privileged and confidential, and therefore, protected from disclosure. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer without copying or disclosing it. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
Hi, English teachers are an interesting bunch. / speakingasone I remember learning to use this :- (no quotes) instead of a quotation to introduce text. In the U.K., punctuation with quotations is always about context. In the U.S., it's never about context for periods and commas, which always go inside. Check MLA style (used a lot in academia). I think this site uses MLA style, and it puts periods and commas inside the closing quotation: http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/577/01/. (I don't have a copy of the book handy.) We use Chicago 15 (see section 6.8), and it does the same thing with quotations. So, I suppose the quesiton is, what reference material were the teachers in your school district using as a standard? Cheers. Sean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dana Worley Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:28 PM To: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo On Friday, July 13, 2007, Brierley, Sean wrote: In U.S. usage, commas and periods always go inside the closing quotation mark, regardless of whether they belong. Sorry if I was confusing. So, U.S. is this: Tree Sloth, Fish Stick, and Ocelot. U.K. is this: Tree Sloth, Fish Stick, and Ocelot. I think it depends upon your English teacher when you learned this rule ;) I was always taught that punctuation placement was based on gasp context. There was no hard and fast always- outside/inside rule. So, even though I was born and raised in the Southern US, I use what I suppose is the British punctuation. DISCLAIMER: Important Notice * This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
Well, I'm fluent in three languages: American English, English English, and Canadian English. Am working on Australian English (pass the dead horse, mate!) and have given up on Scottish (there's a moose loose aboot this hoose ... huh? gang oft aglay? what?). Cheers, Sean -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Beck Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:27 PM To: Chris Vickery; Bill Swallow; Sue Heim Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo I agree as well. Gets me in trouble occasionally. So, how long before those of us with sense can take over the American writing community? Bwahahaha (to quote Sean). Chuck Beck DISCLAIMER: Important Notice * This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
Instead of a colon. Sheesh. Where's my mind? On the plus side, I just installed my 2GB RAM update for my office PC; that should stop the out-of-memory errors for Photochop and Illustrator, eh? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brierley, Sean Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:39 PM To: tcp@techcommpros.com Subject: Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo Hi, English teachers are an interesting bunch. / speakingasone I remember learning to use this :- (no quotes) instead of a quotation to introduce text. DISCLAIMER: Important Notice * This e-mail may contain information that is confidential, privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, do not duplicate or redistribute it by any means. Please delete it and any attachments and notify the sender that you have received it in error. Unintended recipients are prohibited from taking action on the basis of information in this e-mail.E-mail messages may contain computer viruses or other defects, may not be accurately replicated on other systems, or may be intercepted, deleted or interfered with without the knowledge of the sender or the intended recipient. If you are not comfortable with the risks associated with e-mail messages, you may decide not to use e-mail to communicate with IPC. IPC reserves the right, to the extent and under circumstances permitted by applicable law, to retain, monitor and intercept e-mail messages to and from its systems. __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
I've been to Cape Canaveral before and after 9/11. What an amazing complex. What amazing creatures we are. The differences were startling as to where the public was permitted pre and post 9/11. Thanks, always interested in the shuttle. We can see it climb even down here in Ft. Lauderdale. Cheers, Dan NASA does it again! http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/070713_sts118_endeavour.html Happy Friday folks! ;) Arroxane __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
Hey, no dissing the Tasty Canadians, eh? Even on a Friday! There are indeed many diction (accent) similarities between Canadian, New England, and Southern US regional dialects and they all relate directly to Middle English language roots. I did some research on this in my undergraduate life and probably still have the paper kicking around somewhere. Even did a field trip to Charleston, SC to confer with linguistics experts there and got sidetracked into Gullah and Gichi. It was only the luck of a temporary job that caused me to become a technical writer instead of a language detective! Dori Green __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
Re: [TCP] Article: Houston, We Have a Shuttle Typo
On Friday, July 13, 2007, Brierley, Sean wrote: So, I suppose the quesiton is, what reference material were the teachers in your school district using as a standard? Given that I am 45 years old, that is a rhetorical question, right? ;) I have three references on my desk: MS Manual of Style (3rd ed), HandBook of Office Workers (HOW5), and Writing, A College Rhetoric. (notice the period placement ;) All three follow the period commas in, everything else based on context. Dana *** Dana Worley Software Product Manager/Manager, Software Support Group Campbell Scientific, Inc. Microsoft MVP, Windows Help __ Author Help files and create printed documentation with Doc-To-Help. New release adds Team Authoring Support, enhanced Web-based help technology and PDF output. Learn more at www.doctohelp.com/tcp. Interactive 3D Documentation Parts catalogs, animated instructions, and more. www.i3deverywhere.com ___ Technical Communication Professionals Post a message to the list: email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, unsubscribe, archives, account options, list info: http://techcommpros.com/mailman/listinfo/tcp_techcommpros.com Subscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe (email): send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need help? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get the TCP whole experience! http://www.techcommpros.com
