Re: [TCP] User testing and focus groups...

2007-07-25 Thread Gene Kim-Eng
For most of my working experience it has not so much been
getting to do that stuff, but having to.  The products I've
primarily been involved with (aircraft/aerospace equipment,
biotech/forensic instruments) are govt certified in one way or
another, and the testing required to obtain that certification 
extends to their installation, maintenance and user procedures.  
In just about every case where this type of certification was 
not mandatory in order to release or deliver a product, both 
my working experience and the resulting product have been 
inferior, so I don't go looking for work in these environments
any more if I have a choice.

Gene Kim-Eng


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 --- Kevin McLauchlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I wonder how many people get to actually DO that stuff.


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Re: [TCP] User testing and focus groups...

2007-07-23 Thread Chris Borokowski
Most larger companies seem to, but they do it after development has
completed, making it just about useless, which influences others to
avoid it.

--- Kevin McLauchlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wonder how many people get to actually DO that stuff.


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Re: [TCP] User testing and focus groups...

2007-07-23 Thread Sue Heim
I'm not sure what your question is...

User testing and focus groups are generally not focused on user assistance
(no pun intended). User testing and focus groups generally are used to try
to determine the usability of a product and its features, to find out what
customer requirements are, and to see how users actually USE the product.

If your organization does not do this type of user testing (during which you
can actually manage to steal an hour to get some docs tested), your best bet
is during the beta testing phase.

You should talk to the people who manage the beta program. They can provide
you with information on how to obtain information from possibly a select
group of users. Or they can include some questions in the beta questionnaire
about participating in a survey on the docs.

...sue



On 7/20/07, Kevin McLauchlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ... such unfamiliar concepts.



 I wonder how many people get to actually DO that stuff.



 The customers for my products are scattered around the world. The users
 are mostly IT people and data-security people at big companies (banks and
 credit-card companies and financial clearing houses and government
 departments (various departments, various governments). Some are
 developers
 writing apps with which our hardware-and-software, or (gawd-forbid) a
 competitor's, might be integrated.



 Even if there were a perceived business need and a requirement to test my
 documents or the user interface, I can't imagine where we'd acquire the
 necessary bodies. Our customers aren't going to send their staff. We
 aren't
 going to visit them with a traveling road show (that would interact with
 one
 or two persons at each location). Our product and our market assume a
 certain industry knowledge and experience that you don't get by rounding
 up
 some street people, nor even by raiding the local technical college for an
 afternoon of diverting technical fun... and free donuts...  :-)



 The closest I can come are our in-house product testers (eng-test and QA)
 and our support people. And they've mostly seen it all before, so they
 can't
 really simulate a naive customer/user all that well.



 Sometimes I get access to a new kid for a day or three, which means that
 the
 introductory stuff and some of the basic config instructions have been
 refined by such exposure over the years, but the victims always seem to
 get pulled away to real work before they ever get into the more arcane
 aspects of our products (or of my documents about same).



 Is there a whole world of possibility that I'm missing here?



 Kevin in Ottawa



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