[TCP] most popular

2007-07-16 Thread Israel venture4 
What is the most popular program in the U.S.A. for technical writing?
 
 
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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-16 Thread Brierley, Sean 
I would guess Microsoft Word.

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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-16 Thread Bonnie Granat 
 By sheer numbers ("popularity"), it would have to be Word. But what's most
popular doesn't really tell you anything about which program is actually the
best program.


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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-16 Thread Dick Margulis 
Brierley, Sean wrote:
> I would guess Microsoft Word.
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I was going to guess American Idol. But what do I know?


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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-16 Thread Dori Green 
Word.

Unless a hiring manager doesn't want to hire you but can't justify the decision 
based on your experience and education, in which case he will choose whatever 
software isn't listed on your resume (usually Frame).

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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-16 Thread Martinek, Carla 
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What is the most popular program in the U.S.A. for technical writing?

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Israel -

Are you referring to program as in an application, such as Word or
FrameMaker, or are you referring to program such as a college
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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-16 Thread peter 
Popular as in "most frequently used" or popular as in "liked by the users"?

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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-16 Thread Dan Goldstein 
The Whirlers' list used to have links to all of their previous polls,
and at least one poll dealt with this subject. But now they only seem to
have links to the most recent polls. Does anybody have the numbers from
the old ones?

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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-16 Thread Sue Heim 
I think there are other factors to consider, too. What is the final output?
Is it just print (or PDF)? What about for online use, such as in online
help?

I think for pure *writing*, Microsoft Word is the most prevalent. For
desktop publishing, you'll find that the Frame Freaks think Framemaker is
most popular (to whom I say "pt! I can make Word do anything you can
make Framemaker do!" ).

And for single-sourcing print and online help, I think you'll find that
there is a wide variety of tools in use and most folks will fight over the
definition of "popular"! 

...sue


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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-16 Thread Rhonda Bracey 
 
Here are the results of last year's WritersUA survey on Tools etc.:
http://www.writersua.com/surveys/skillstech06/skillstech_tools.htm 

Check the note: "Note: Past surveys had consistently shown that well
over 90% of respondents use Microsoft Word. We left Word off this year's
survey to make room for other UA specific tools."

Also note: This is a global survey; however, I suspect most of the 500
respondents live in the US.

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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-16 Thread Sue Heim 
Remember, too, that the results may be skewed towards online help authors.
As WritersUA started out as WinWriters (as in Windows online help people),
and still has a large demographic of online help authors (versus those who
create print oer PDF only).

So I would hesitate to use these survey results as statistically significant
unless you also produce print and online help.

...sue



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> Here are the results of last year's WritersUA survey on Tools etc.:
> http://www.writersua.com/surveys/skillstech06/skillstech_tools.htm
>
> Check the note: "Note: Past surveys had consistently shown that well
> over 90% of respondents use Microsoft Word. We left Word off this year's
> survey to make room for other UA specific tools."
>
> Also note: This is a global survey; however, I suspect most of the 500
> respondents live in the US.
>
> Rhonda
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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-17 Thread Dan Goldstein 
Thanks for the survey results, but I gotta ask: "user assistance
professionals"?

According to WritersUA, this includes "Technical Writers, Information
Analysts and Architects, Documentation Designers, Help Authors,
Publication Managers, Documentation Leads, Senior Writers and
Documentation Contractors, and User Education Specialists. The focus is
on software user assistance, which encompasses writing, editing,
planning, coding, indexing, testing, programming, localization, and
standards development."

Do UAPs have to be able to, ya know, write? "Coding, testing, and
programming" sound like professional tasks that a poor writer could
handle.

Apparently, UAPs do *not* document hardware systems, scientific
research, pharmaceutical trials, etc. All of those are technical writing
tasks in my curmudgeonly book.

Dan

(Still trying to digest "Technical Communicator," and now this...)

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> Here are the results of last year's WritersUA survey on Tools etc.:
> http://www.writersua.com/surveys/skillstech06/skillstech_tools.htm 
> 
> Check the note: "Note: Past surveys had consistently shown 
> that well over 90% of respondents use Microsoft Word. We left 
> Word off this year's survey to make room for other UA specific 
> tools."
> 
> Also note: This is a global survey; however, I suspect most 
> of the 500 respondents live in the US.
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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-17 Thread Milan Davidovic 
On 7/17/07, Dan Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for the survey results, but I gotta ask: "user assistance
> professionals"?

You could browse through this blog and see what it tells you:

http://user-assistance.blogspot.com/

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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-17 Thread Dan Goldstein 
Well, it did imply that UAPs have to be able to *write*, so that's some
comfort. But I still don't see why hardware shouldn't be accompanied by
"User Assistance."

Anyone? Bueller?

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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-17 Thread Sue Heim 
As I said, Writers UA stemmed from Windows writers. As in help authors. As
in Windows software applications. And it quite clearly says what the
definition means IN THIS CONTEXT. There are plenty of other places where the
emphasis is on "technical" writing (including hardware guides).

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On 7/17/07, Dan Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the survey results, but I gotta ask: "user assistance
> professionals"?
>
> According to WritersUA, this includes "Technical Writers, Information
> Analysts and Architects, Documentation Designers, Help Authors,
> Publication Managers, Documentation Leads, Senior Writers and
> Documentation Contractors, and User Education Specialists. The focus is
> on software user assistance, which encompasses writing, editing,
> planning, coding, indexing, testing, programming, localization, and
> standards development."
>
> Do UAPs have to be able to, ya know, write? "Coding, testing, and
> programming" sound like professional tasks that a poor writer could
> handle.
>
> Apparently, UAPs do *not* document hardware systems, scientific
> research, pharmaceutical trials, etc. All of those are technical writing
> tasks in my curmudgeonly book.
>
> Dan
>
> (Still trying to digest "Technical Communicator," and now this...)
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rhonda Bracey
> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 6:18 PM
> > To: tcp@techcommpros.com
> > Subject: Re: [TCP] most popular
> >
> > Here are the results of last year's WritersUA survey on Tools etc.:
> > http://www.writersua.com/surveys/skillstech06/skillstech_tools.htm
> >
> > Check the note: "Note: Past surveys had consistently shown
> > that well over 90% of respondents use Microsoft Word. We left
> > Word off this year's survey to make room for other UA specific
> > tools."
> >
> > Also note: This is a global survey; however, I suspect most
> > of the 500 respondents live in the US.
> >
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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-17 Thread Dan Goldstein 
Hi Sue,

So if user assistance professionals are all online help authors, let's
call ourselves "online help authors."

Part of an online help author's job is to use clear, accurate
terminology. We could start with the job title.

Thanks,

Dan

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> 
> As I said, Writers UA stemmed from Windows writers. As in 
> help authors. As in Windows software applications. And it 
> quite clearly says what the definition means IN THIS CONTEXT. 
> There are plenty of other places where the emphasis is on 
> "technical" writing (including hardware guides). 
>  
> ...sue
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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-17 Thread Sue Heim 
You totally missed my point. I said I'd take the stats provided by WritersUA
surveys with a grain of salt because many of the people there are those who
do software user assistance and were part of WinWriters back when we were
writing Windows software docs. IIRC part of the reason the name was changed
from WinWriters to WritersUA was that UA folks were not just writing Windows
software help files any more... we were doing Web-based help for x-platform
apps, Web sites, usability, and more.

And I don't know about you or anyone else here, but I don't JUST write
online help. I create printed documentation, quick start guides, write UI
text, run usability tests, work with focus groups, help QA test. If you want
to be known by a single description, that's your option. But I think user
assistance works for me. (It's one reason I've never called myself a
technical writer... I do not write technical documentation, I write user
documentation. Big difference.)

I think this discussion has gone on far enough. I was merely pointing out
that if you are going to use statistics from a group of people who started
as software online help authors, then you may want to take the results with
a grain of salt. Similarly, if you want to find out how many people author
online help, you probably aren't going to pay significant attention to stats
from a Framemaker site ( tool that was created for and is used primarily for
print docs).

...sue


On 7/17/07, Dan Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Sue,
>
> So if user assistance professionals are all online help authors, let's
> call ourselves "online help authors."
>
> Part of an online help author's job is to use clear, accurate
> terminology. We could start with the job title.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sue Heim
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 10:44 AM
> > To: Dan Goldstein
> > Cc: tcp@techcommpros.com
> > Subject: Re: [TCP] most popular
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> > As I said, Writers UA stemmed from Windows writers. As in
> > help authors. As in Windows software applications. And it
> > quite clearly says what the definition means IN THIS CONTEXT.
> > There are plenty of other places where the emphasis is on
> > "technical" writing (including hardware guides).
> >
> > ...sue
> >
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Re: [TCP] most popular

2007-07-17 Thread Dan Goldstein 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> You totally missed my point...

Hey, totally sorry.
  
> And I don't know about you or anyone else here, but I don't 
> JUST write online help. I create printed documentation, quick 
> start guides, write UI text, run usability tests, work with 
> focus groups, help QA test. If you want to be known by a 
> single description, that's your option...

My guess is that practically *everyone* else here has worked on a
similar variety of tasks, platforms, etc.; that's what resumes are for.
As a job title, TW doesn't contain those details. But for anyone outside
of WritersUA, neither does UAP.

My current job in RAQA for FDA and ISO compliance is nothing like my
previous job in online help development. However, without basic TW
skills, I wouldn't have been able to do either one.
  
> I think this discussion has gone on far enough... 

Now it has. 




























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