Re: [teampractices] Make a tag for quarterly goals?
+googol On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm creating epics to track the Discovery Department Q1 2015-16 goals https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2015-16_Q1_Goals#Discovery, and thought it might be useful to track organisation-wide progress towards achieving their quarterly goals by having such epics have tagging them as Q1 2015-16 goals. The epic tag already exists, but I would consider quarterly goals to be a strict subset of epics: all quarterly goals are epics, but not all epics are quarterly goals. Thoughts? Dan -- Dan Garry Product Manager, Discovery Wikimedia Foundation ___ teampractices mailing list teampractices@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices ___ teampractices mailing list teampractices@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices
Re: [teampractices] Make a tag for quarterly goals?
Hey Dan, This has been an ongoing and as yet unresolved point of discussion with some teams. There are concerns about goals-as-epics, from a long-term process perspective, as well as overwhelming Phab with proprietary tags (a problem that Bugzilla apparently suffered). Andre, Joel A, Kevin S, Kristen, and I all chatted at some point about this on #wikimedia-teampractices. While I can't say we found ultimate resolution, we did decide that the simplest thing to do would be to use the Epic project Tag, and apply it to goals-as-epics tasks. Another thing to consider is Phab's Goal category. Joel and the VE team are apparently going to experiment with that. I wish I could better explain where we landed, but I am still wrapping my head around it. Maybe one of the others could illuminate the issues more clearly than I? Max On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm creating epics to track the Discovery Department Q1 2015-16 goals https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2015-16_Q1_Goals#Discovery, and thought it might be useful to track organisation-wide progress towards achieving their quarterly goals by having such epics have tagging them as Q1 2015-16 goals. The epic tag already exists, but I would consider quarterly goals to be a strict subset of epics: all quarterly goals are epics, but not all epics are quarterly goals. Thoughts? Dan -- Dan Garry Product Manager, Discovery Wikimedia Foundation ___ teampractices mailing list teampractices@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices ___ teampractices mailing list teampractices@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices
Re: [teampractices] Make a tag for quarterly goals?
We're still trying to flesh out a full set of use cases for the whole thing (work planning?), which is probably impossible since it's a huge topic, but without explicit use cases we keep falling back to logical data design and then getting stuck in the maze. Let's start: 1. Individual team members want to know what they should work on next 2. Product managers want to identify potential work in the near future 1. from team goals 2. from foundation goals 3. from call to action or any other expressions of priority 4. from community requests 5. from other inputs 3. Product managers want to estimate, break down, and prioritize potential work 4. Product managers want to know what work they have already planned 5. pretty much everybody wants to know when particular things (tasks, goals) will be done 6. Bug reporters want to know the status of bugs they have reported 7. More generally, stakeholders want to know the status (estimate, priority, expected completion date) of work they care about 8. Product managers want to compare their teams' actual output to the planned output or goals Does this include what you want to accomplish with goals? Can you add to this list? Side note: we probably want to keep Epics and Goals distinct. We're working on a baseline vocabulary for the whole Foundation. The direction I think we want to go (no consensus on this yet) is that Task/Story is a completable piece of work; Epic is a theoretically completable piece of work that's more than (very roughly, will vary by team) a few person-weeks; Goal/Milestone Criterion/Key Result is a target that you compare to a project's current state to decide what Epics or Stories to create or implement next. *Joel Aufrecht* Team Practices Group Wikimedia Foundation On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Max Binder mbin...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey Dan, This has been an ongoing and as yet unresolved point of discussion with some teams. There are concerns about goals-as-epics, from a long-term process perspective, as well as overwhelming Phab with proprietary tags (a problem that Bugzilla apparently suffered). Andre, Joel A, Kevin S, Kristen, and I all chatted at some point about this on #wikimedia-teampractices. While I can't say we found ultimate resolution, we did decide that the simplest thing to do would be to use the Epic project Tag, and apply it to goals-as-epics tasks. Another thing to consider is Phab's Goal category. Joel and the VE team are apparently going to experiment with that. I wish I could better explain where we landed, but I am still wrapping my head around it. Maybe one of the others could illuminate the issues more clearly than I? Max On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm creating epics to track the Discovery Department Q1 2015-16 goals https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2015-16_Q1_Goals#Discovery, and thought it might be useful to track organisation-wide progress towards achieving their quarterly goals by having such epics have tagging them as Q1 2015-16 goals. The epic tag already exists, but I would consider quarterly goals to be a strict subset of epics: all quarterly goals are epics, but not all epics are quarterly goals. Thoughts? Dan -- Dan Garry Product Manager, Discovery Wikimedia Foundation ___ teampractices mailing list teampractices@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices ___ teampractices mailing list teampractices@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices ___ teampractices mailing list teampractices@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices
Re: [teampractices] Make a tag for quarterly goals?
So... On Wed, 2015-07-01 at 09:49 -0700, Dan Garry wrote: I'm creating epics to track the Discovery Department Q1 2015-16 goals, and thought it might be useful to track organisation-wide progress towards achieving their quarterly goals by having such epics have tagging them as Q1 2015-16 goals. The existing Roadmap tag uses month names as workboard columns. Is there a reason to not apply the Roadmap tag to Quarterly Goal tasks and move the task to the corresponding month on the Roadmap workboard? (On a **team-only level** I currently see two approaches in practice: Sprint projects (e.g. [1]) and blocker/tracking tasks (e.g. [2]).) Cheers, andre (1) RelEng: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/1319/ (2) ECT: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101100 and Blocked by -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ teampractices mailing list teampractices@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices
[teampractices] Make a tag for quarterly goals?
I'm creating epics to track the Discovery Department Q1 2015-16 goals https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2015-16_Q1_Goals#Discovery, and thought it might be useful to track organisation-wide progress towards achieving their quarterly goals by having such epics have tagging them as Q1 2015-16 goals. The epic tag already exists, but I would consider quarterly goals to be a strict subset of epics: all quarterly goals are epics, but not all epics are quarterly goals. Thoughts? Dan -- Dan Garry Product Manager, Discovery Wikimedia Foundation ___ teampractices mailing list teampractices@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/teampractices
