Re: Flavor Review Request for Ubuntu GNOME
On 03/04/2013 03:04 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > > "Ubuntu GNOME" would be fine with me; in casual conversation I have > left off the "Remix" anyway. I actually like the two-word version better anyway. It's easier to say, and fits better on websites, t-shirts, etc. > I did talk with Karen briefly when we started this project six months > ago. The GNOME Foundation Board didn't like the name GNOMEbuntu which > was our preferred name, but I believe she and the Board are ok with > 'Ubuntu GNOME' (assuming I'm not reading this out of context): > > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2012-August/msg00066.html Sounds like approval to me. :) So, I'd follow up on that thread to let them know the "official" status, just for-the-record and all that. Allison -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Re: Flavor Review Request for Ubuntu GNOME
On 4 March 2013 17:41, Allison Randal wrote: > On 03/04/2013 02:14 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >> Thanks all for the meeting today. One thing we didn't discuss was >> whether we could use the name 'Ubuntu GNOME Edition'. > > Historically, the word "Edition" has a very specific meaning for the > Ubuntu project (briefly referenced in the trademark policy: > http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy), in that it distinguishes > domains of use like Ubuntu Server Edition, or the old Ubuntu Netbook > Edition. > > Ubuntu GNOME is a "Flavor" rather than an "Edition". Traditions can > change, of course, so it's not an obvious "No", but it needs more review > to get to an obvious "Yes, that's a totally fine name". > > Is there a reason you want "Edition" in the name? Rather than just > "Ubuntu GNOME", similar to "Ubuntu Studio"? Or, the popular flavor > naming pattern "Gnubuntu"? I don't think the GNU Project would be pleased with calling our project "Gnubuntu". To my ear, Gubuntu sounds the same as Goobuntu (Google's internal Ubuntu image that was reported on by the media several times last year) and is therefore confusing. "Ubuntu GNOME" would be fine with me; in casual conversation I have left off the "Remix" anyway. I did talk with Karen briefly when we started this project six months ago. The GNOME Foundation Board didn't like the name GNOMEbuntu which was our preferred name, but I believe she and the Board are ok with 'Ubuntu GNOME' (assuming I'm not reading this out of context): https://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2012-August/msg00066.html Thanks, Jeremy -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Re: Flavor Review Request for Ubuntu GNOME
On Monday, March 04, 2013 02:52:35 PM Allison Randal wrote: > On 03/04/2013 02:41 PM, Allison Randal wrote: > > On 03/04/2013 02:14 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > >> Thanks all for the meeting today. One thing we didn't discuss was > >> whether we could use the name 'Ubuntu GNOME Edition'. > > > > Is there a reason you want "Edition" in the name? Rather than just > > "Ubuntu GNOME", similar to "Ubuntu Studio"? Or, the popular flavor > > naming pattern "Gnubuntu"? > > Oh, and it looks like "Ubuntu GNOME" (with or without "Edition") may > fall outside the fair use policy for the GNOME Foundation's trademark, > so best to politely check with them too, if you haven't already: > > http://www.gnome.org/foundation/legal-and-trademarks/ > https://live.gnome.org/Foundation/LicensingGuidelines > > > I can introduce you to Karen Sandler, if it's helpful. She's not only > the current Executive Director of the GNOME Foundation, she's also an > amazing free software lawyer who helped a lot of projects back when she > worked at the Software Freedom Law Center. Maybe just call it "Ubuntu Three". No one can trademark three (I don't think). Scott K -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Re: Flavor Review Request for Ubuntu GNOME
On 03/04/2013 02:41 PM, Allison Randal wrote: > On 03/04/2013 02:14 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >> Thanks all for the meeting today. One thing we didn't discuss was >> whether we could use the name 'Ubuntu GNOME Edition'. > > Is there a reason you want "Edition" in the name? Rather than just > "Ubuntu GNOME", similar to "Ubuntu Studio"? Or, the popular flavor > naming pattern "Gnubuntu"? Oh, and it looks like "Ubuntu GNOME" (with or without "Edition") may fall outside the fair use policy for the GNOME Foundation's trademark, so best to politely check with them too, if you haven't already: http://www.gnome.org/foundation/legal-and-trademarks/ https://live.gnome.org/Foundation/LicensingGuidelines I can introduce you to Karen Sandler, if it's helpful. She's not only the current Executive Director of the GNOME Foundation, she's also an amazing free software lawyer who helped a lot of projects back when she worked at the Software Freedom Law Center. Allison -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Re: Flavor Review Request for Ubuntu GNOME
On Monday, March 04, 2013 02:41:04 PM Allison Randal wrote: > On 03/04/2013 02:14 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > > Thanks all for the meeting today. One thing we didn't discuss was > > whether we could use the name 'Ubuntu GNOME Edition'. > > Historically, the word "Edition" has a very specific meaning for the > Ubuntu project (briefly referenced in the trademark policy: > http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy), in that it distinguishes > domains of use like Ubuntu Server Edition, or the old Ubuntu Netbook > Edition. > > Ubuntu GNOME is a "Flavor" rather than an "Edition". Traditions can > change, of course, so it's not an obvious "No", but it needs more review > to get to an obvious "Yes, that's a totally fine name". > > Is there a reason you want "Edition" in the name? Rather than just > "Ubuntu GNOME", similar to "Ubuntu Studio"? Or, the popular flavor > naming pattern "Gnubuntu"? New *buntu contractions are also frowned on by the trademark policy, so that's probably not ideal, but that's really the trademark holder's call. Scott K -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Re: Flavor Review Request for Ubuntu GNOME
On 03/04/2013 02:14 PM, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > Thanks all for the meeting today. One thing we didn't discuss was > whether we could use the name 'Ubuntu GNOME Edition'. Historically, the word "Edition" has a very specific meaning for the Ubuntu project (briefly referenced in the trademark policy: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkpolicy), in that it distinguishes domains of use like Ubuntu Server Edition, or the old Ubuntu Netbook Edition. Ubuntu GNOME is a "Flavor" rather than an "Edition". Traditions can change, of course, so it's not an obvious "No", but it needs more review to get to an obvious "Yes, that's a totally fine name". Is there a reason you want "Edition" in the name? Rather than just "Ubuntu GNOME", similar to "Ubuntu Studio"? Or, the popular flavor naming pattern "Gnubuntu"? Allison -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Re: Flavor Review Request for Ubuntu GNOME
Thanks all for the meeting today. One thing we didn't discuss was whether we could use the name 'Ubuntu GNOME Edition'. Jeremy On 22 February 2013 15:29, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > If our request is approved, I'd also like to change our name from > 'Ubuntu GNOME Remix' to 'Ubuntu GNOME Edition'. This would match the > other Ubuntu flavors that don't use the *buntu naming convention. -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Re: Flavor Review Request for Ubuntu GNOME
Hi Jeremy, I'm in favor of this. It seems well put together. Thanks! -Kees On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 03:29:35PM -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote: > Since it has been about six months since the first alpha release of > the Ubuntu GNOME Remix, I believe we are ready to ask if Ubuntu GNOME > can join the list of officially recognized Ubuntu flavors. The Ubuntu > GNOME Remix set out to create a desktop with a relatively pure GNOME > experience, now that the default Ubuntu desktop has diverged a fair > degree from GNOME in design and function. We were losing users and > developers to other distros because we no longer provided an easy way > to get a non-Unity GNOME experience. GNOME Shell has become a popular > desktop in its own right and I'm excited about the future (the new > GNOME Classic mode for GNOME Shell 3.8 looks especially nice for only > a few months of work). > > All of the packages we need have been in Ubuntu since last September. > We follow Ubuntu's release cycle, having released our own beta 2 and > stable release for 12.10 on the same days as the Ubuntu project and > we've done SRUs. > > - Our seed can be found at > https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-gnome.raring > - Our developer team is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev > - We have an IRC channel (#ubuntu-gnome) and a mailing list > (https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome) > - We don't really have a website yet but we used the Ubuntu wiki for > our 12.10 Release Notes > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10 > > We are a bit understaffed but I think many of the Ubuntu flavors > suffer from that problem. I already have upload rights to the desktop > and universe sets which is mostly sufficient for maintaining our > packages. I'm looking forward to seeing Tim Lunn (darkxst) and Rico > Tzschichholz (ricotz) apply for upload rights in the not too distant > future. All three of us have signed the Code of Conduct. We don't have > a separate QA Lead at this time; I'm hoping that daily builds will > improve our testing efforts and community participation. > > If our request is approved, I'd also like to change our name from > 'Ubuntu GNOME Remix' to 'Ubuntu GNOME Edition'. This would match the > other Ubuntu flavors that don't use the *buntu naming convention. > > Jeremy > > -- > technical-board mailing list > technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board -- Kees Cook -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Apologies for this evening
It turns out I have a conflicting phone meeting this evening. Sorry about the short notice. -- Soren Hansen | http://linux2go.dk/ Senior Software Engineer | http://www.cisco.com/ Ubuntu Developer | http://www.ubuntu.com/ OpenStack Developer | http://www.openstack.org/ -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
Apologies for this evening
With vUDS coming up, I'm going to have my fill of evening meetings this week; and furthermore I have some fairly ugly ADSL bandwidth problems at the moment which mean that I can barely load wiki pages while doing anything else at all bandwidth-intensive, like, you know, being on IRC, so checking any references during a meeting is likely to be unconscionably painful. I will check the IRC logs afterwards to see if anything interesting happened ... -- Colin Watson [cjwat...@ubuntu.com] -- technical-board mailing list technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
