rawhide report: 20110122 changes
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Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 11:03 -0500, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: Should they be visible? GNOME 3 will not start nautilus by default. Sorry, I should have probably announced this change hitting rawhide. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: pulseaudio eats almost 100% of cpu resources during hdd i/o stress by other program (Re: audio skipping/pure sound quality)
W dniu 19 stycznia 2011 18:44 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com napisał: I doubt that this problem is related to kernel space issue. I'll try to track down it this week. Something strange is happening here. I'm running yum upgrade, amarok, firefox and after a while pulse audio goes mad. iotop shows disc write 1 MB/s. Everything else works fine, only PA eats 100% of CPU (one core). When yum upgrade finished, everything was back to normal. -- Best regards, Michal http://eventhorizon.pl/ -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
who hid my gnome terminal?
Hi, I upgraded to latest and greatest rawhide and my gnome terminal shows blank screen. I guess it is not a new Gnome 3 feature :) -- Best regards, Michal http://eventhorizon.pl/ -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
2011/1/22 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 11:03 -0500, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: Should they be visible? GNOME 3 will not start nautilus by default. Sorry, I should have probably announced this change hitting rawhide. oh, but should it start panels? or at least the gnomeshell? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: who hid my gnome terminal?
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 16:40 +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, I upgraded to latest and greatest rawhide and my gnome terminal shows blank screen. I guess it is not a new Gnome 3 feature :) Its a theme problem. As a workaround, you can uncheck 'use theme colors' in the profile preferences. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 17:44 +0200, cornel panceac wrote: oh, but should it start panels? or at least the gnomeshell? Yes, it starts gnome-shell, unless your system is not capable of running it, in which case it starts gnome-panel+metacity. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: rawhide report: 20110122 changes
RWMJ == Richard W M Jones rjo...@redhat.com writes: RWMJ I thought that was all I had to do, but apparently there's RWMJ something else needed to drop it entirely. Did you delete all of the files and add a dead.package file? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life - J -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On 01/22/2011 10:10 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 11:03 -0500, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: Should they be visible? GNOME 3 will not start nautilus by default. Sorry, I should have probably announced this change hitting rawhide. The startup applications menu selection has gone away also...so how do we start nautilus when gnome is loaded? Used to be able to put a startup cmd in the startup apps dialogue. Regards, OldFart -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: pulseaudio eats almost 100% of cpu resources during hdd i/o stress by other program (Re: audio skipping/pure sound quality)
2011/1/22 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com W dniu 19 stycznia 2011 18:44 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com napisał: I doubt that this problem is related to kernel space issue. I'll try to track down it this week. Something strange is happening here. I'm running yum upgrade, amarok, firefox and after a while pulse audio goes mad. iotop shows disc write 1 MB/s. Everything else works fine, only PA eats 100% of CPU (one core). When yum upgrade finished, everything was back to normal. i suppose it's unrelated but, after hearing two strange breaks in my playing music (with mplayer), and after seeing the processor at max, i've lost contact to my keyboard, then, after connecting another keyboard (usb, this time), i've lost contact with my usb mouse, too. at this point the music was strangely still playing. this is my home f14 computer. i hope nobody backported the pulseaudio problem to f14 :) i've enabled the ssh server and i'll report back if anything new shows up. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: who hid my gnome terminal?
2011/1/22 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com: On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 16:40 +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, I upgraded to latest and greatest rawhide and my gnome terminal shows blank screen. I guess it is not a new Gnome 3 feature :) Its a theme problem. As a workaround, you can uncheck 'use theme colors' in the profile preferences. Ok, thanks for the workaround -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- Best regards, Michal http://eventhorizon.pl/ -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 09:58, Clyde E. Kunkel clydekunkel7...@cox.netwrote: The startup applications menu selection has gone away also...so how do we start nautilus when gnome is loaded? Used to be able to put a startup cmd in the startup apps dialogue. http://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html Short version: ln -s /usr/share/applications/name.desktop ~/.config/autostart -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:10:32 -0500, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 11:03 -0500, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: Should they be visible? GNOME 3 will not start nautilus by default. Sorry, I should have probably announced this change hitting rawhide. What about people who want to continue running (or were running) metacity. For the last week or two, none of metacity, nautilus and nautlius appear to be getting started after logging in with gdm. I have to escape back to a vt to start at least metacity and gnome-panel to be able to do anything. It may be because I have been doing continuous upgrades, that I am seeing something different than people who do fresh rawhide installs today. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:51:20 -0500, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 17:44 +0200, cornel panceac wrote: oh, but should it start panels? or at least the gnomeshell? Yes, it starts gnome-shell, unless your system is not capable of running it, in which case it starts gnome-panel+metacity. There perhaps needs to be a check that gnome-shell is installed as well. As I don't seem to have it installed and I don't get gnome-panel+metacity started. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:51:20 -0500, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 17:44 +0200, cornel panceac wrote: oh, but should it start panels? or at least the gnomeshell? Yes, it starts gnome-shell, unless your system is not capable of running it, in which case it starts gnome-panel+metacity. I did a yum upgrade from F14 to rawhide a month or so ago and have been doing contunuous updates since then. Nothing seems to have dragged in gnome-shell. It's probably worth thinking about a way to it installed for people doing yum upgrades from F13 or F14. I am not sure if using preupgrade has the same issue or not. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 12:43 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:51:20 -0500, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 17:44 +0200, cornel panceac wrote: oh, but should it start panels? or at least the gnomeshell? Yes, it starts gnome-shell, unless your system is not capable of running it, in which case it starts gnome-panel+metacity. I did a yum upgrade from F14 to rawhide a month or so ago and have been doing contunuous updates since then. Nothing seems to have dragged in gnome-shell. It's probably worth thinking about a way to it installed for people doing yum upgrades from F13 or F14. I am not sure if using preupgrade has the same issue or not. That is a good point. We should perhaps add a gnome-session - gnome-shell dependency. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 12:43 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:51:20 -0500, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 17:44 +0200, cornel panceac wrote: oh, but should it start panels? or at least the gnomeshell? Yes, it starts gnome-shell, unless your system is not capable of running it, in which case it starts gnome-panel+metacity. I did a yum upgrade from F14 to rawhide a month or so ago and have been doing contunuous updates since then. Nothing seems to have dragged in gnome-shell. It's probably worth thinking about a way to it installed for people doing yum upgrades from F13 or F14. I am not sure if using preupgrade has the same issue or not. That is a good point. We should perhaps add a gnome-session - gnome-shell dependency. Please don't. There's a lot of devices that can't run gnome-shell but can run the gnome 2 configuration perfectly. With dependencies like that on devices with small amounts of space you end up with a lot of extra stuff you don't want or need. There must some other way to achieve it for those that want it without forcing those that can't have or don't want it to have unnecessary isssues and deps. Given that yum upgrade isn't a fully supported method for upgrade I don't see any issue with documenting that they then need to do a yum groupinstall gnome3 as the documented ways of doing yum upgrade have always suggested to do similar to get new apps that weren't previously installed. Peter -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 19:16:59 +, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Please don't. There's a lot of devices that can't run gnome-shell but can run the gnome 2 configuration perfectly. With dependencies like that on devices with small amounts of space you end up with a lot of extra stuff you don't want or need. There must some other way to achieve it for those that want it without forcing those that can't have or don't want it to have unnecessary isssues and deps. Ideally, I'd think you'd want to have it pulled in by default when going from F13 or F14 to F15 (and probably F16) and then be able to removed it manually. I don't know if there is some trickery with obsoletes that might get this to work. Given that yum upgrade isn't a fully supported method for upgrade I don't see any issue with documenting that they then need to do a yum groupinstall gnome3 as the documented ways of doing yum upgrade have always suggested to do similar to get new apps that weren't previously installed. Preupgrades are officially supported. Do preupgrades have a way of specifying that certain packages should be included without creating a hard dependency? Also it seems that right now gnome-shell is a hard dependency for gnome as metacity (at least, I don't know about compiz) doesn't get started by default when gnome-shell is missing. I think that's probably just an oversight, but they may be something more complex going on. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 12:43 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:51:20 -0500, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 17:44 +0200, cornel panceac wrote: oh, but should it start panels? or at least the gnomeshell? Yes, it starts gnome-shell, unless your system is not capable of running it, in which case it starts gnome-panel+metacity. I did a yum upgrade from F14 to rawhide a month or so ago and have been doing contunuous updates since then. Nothing seems to have dragged in gnome-shell. It's probably worth thinking about a way to it installed for people doing yum upgrades from F13 or F14. I am not sure if using preupgrade has the same issue or not. That is a good point. We should perhaps add a gnome-session - gnome-shell dependency. Please don't. There's a lot of devices that can't run gnome-shell but can run the gnome 2 configuration perfectly. With dependencies like that on devices with small amounts of space you end up with a lot of extra stuff you don't want or need. gnome-shell should not end up being a space problem, if it is you'd be worried where the user is supposed to store his/here data ... -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
USB (un)plug events issue in rawhide
I am not sure when this started, but I noticed that plugging and unplugging USB devices no longer seems to be triggering actions. Stuff that was plugged in at boot is detected, but lsusb still lists devices after they have been unplugged and new devices don't get created when I plug a new device in. I don't think this is a kernel change, because I still run 2.6.36 a lot due to a graphics driver problem. I don't think the problem predates that kernel. Does anyone know of any open bigs for this issue? Any suggestions as to which component it might be appropriate to file a bug? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: USB (un)plug events issue in rawhide
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 13:40:11 -0600, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: I am not sure when this started, but I noticed that plugging and unplugging USB devices no longer seems to be triggering actions. Stuff that was plugged in at boot is detected, but lsusb still lists devices after they have been unplugged and new devices don't get created when I plug a new device in. I don't think this is a kernel change, because I still run 2.6.36 a lot due to a graphics driver problem. I don't think the problem predates that kernel. Does anyone know of any open bigs for this issue? Any suggestions as to which component it might be appropriate to file a bug? It looks like there are a few bugs that look related. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=664280 is one. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 19:16:59 +, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Please don't. There's a lot of devices that can't run gnome-shell but can run the gnome 2 configuration perfectly. With dependencies like that on devices with small amounts of space you end up with a lot of extra stuff you don't want or need. There must some other way to achieve it for those that want it without forcing those that can't have or don't want it to have unnecessary isssues and deps. Ideally, I'd think you'd want to have it pulled in by default when going from F13 or F14 to F15 (and probably F16) and then be able to removed it manually. I don't know if there is some trickery with obsoletes that might get this to work. Well you'd want to be able to exclude it as well and adding it as an artificial dep to something like gnome-session won't allow it to be removed. Given that yum upgrade isn't a fully supported method for upgrade I don't see any issue with documenting that they then need to do a yum groupinstall gnome3 as the documented ways of doing yum upgrade have always suggested to do similar to get new apps that weren't previously installed. Preupgrades are officially supported. Do preupgrades have a way of specifying that certain packages should be included without creating a hard dependency? Also it seems that right now gnome-shell is a hard dependency for gnome as metacity (at least, I don't know about compiz) doesn't get started by default when gnome-shell is missing. I think that's probably just an oversight, but they may be something more complex going on. Metacity works fine for me in rawhide Peter -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 7:45 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 12:43 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:51:20 -0500, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 17:44 +0200, cornel panceac wrote: oh, but should it start panels? or at least the gnomeshell? Yes, it starts gnome-shell, unless your system is not capable of running it, in which case it starts gnome-panel+metacity. I did a yum upgrade from F14 to rawhide a month or so ago and have been doing contunuous updates since then. Nothing seems to have dragged in gnome-shell. It's probably worth thinking about a way to it installed for people doing yum upgrades from F13 or F14. I am not sure if using preupgrade has the same issue or not. That is a good point. We should perhaps add a gnome-session - gnome-shell dependency. Please don't. There's a lot of devices that can't run gnome-shell but can run the gnome 2 configuration perfectly. With dependencies like that on devices with small amounts of space you end up with a lot of extra stuff you don't want or need. gnome-shell should not end up being a space problem, if it is you'd be worried where the user is supposed to store his/here data ... On something like an XO-1 where it only has 1gb of storage anything extra removes space for user data. And you could have a different device for /home anyway Peter -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Fedora 14 updates-testing report
The following Fedora 14 Security updates need testing: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/feh-1.10.1-1.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/socat-1.7.1.3-1.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/mod_auth_mysql-3.0.0-12.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/chm2pdf-0.9.1-9.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/wireshark-1.4.3-1.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/hplip-3.10.9-14.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/myproxy-5.3-1.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/proftpd-1.3.3d-1.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/tor-0.2.1.29-1400.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-CGI-Simple-1.113-1.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-CGI-3.51-1.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/exim-4.72-2.fc14 The following Fedora 14 Critical Path updates have yet to be approved: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/openldap-2.4.23-6.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/selinux-policy-3.9.7-25.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/glibc-2.13-1 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/dmidecode-2.11-1.fc14 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xorg-x11-drv-geode-2.11.11-2.fc14 The following builds have been pushed to Fedora 14 updates-testing PyQuante-1.6.4-1.fc14 archivemount-0.6.1-4.fc14 bios_extract-0-0.6.20101207gitd65284d.fc14 cifs-utils-4.8.1-1.fc14 erlang-ebloom-1.0.2-4.fc14 html-xml-utils-5.9-1.fc14 pondus-0.7.3-1.fc14 python-pep8-0.6.0-2.fc14 rubygem-boxgrinder-build-sftp-delivery-plugin-0.0.5-1.fc14 skipfish-1.84-0.1.b.fc14 stellarium-0.10.6-1.fc14 Details about builds: PyQuante-1.6.4-1.fc14 (FEDORA-2011-0670) Python Quantum Chemistry Update Information: Update to 1.6.4, switch back to using stable release branch. ChangeLog: * Sat Jan 22 2011 Jussi Lehtola jussileht...@fedoraproject.org - 1.6.4-1 - Update to 1.6.4. - Drop tests from package, since they are run upon build. archivemount-0.6.1-4.fc14 (FEDORA-2011-0671) FUSE based filesystem for mounting compressed archives Update Information: FUSE based filesystem for mounting compressed archives References: [ 1 ] Bug #598688 - Review Request: archivemount - FUSE based filesystem for mounting compressed archives https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=598688 bios_extract-0-0.6.20101207gitd65284d.fc14 (FEDORA-2011-0677) Tools to extract the different submodules of common legacy bioses Update Information: * New GIT snapshot ChangeLog: * Sat Jan 22 2011 Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com - 0-0.6.20101207gitd65284d - New git snapshot - Dropped upstreamed patches cifs-utils-4.8.1-1.fc14 (FEDORA-2011-0668) Utilities for mounting and managing CIFS mounts Update Information: This update fixes a build problem with version 4.8 where mount.cifs wasn't properly linked to libcap-ng. ChangeLog: * Fri Jan 21 2011 Jeff Layton jlay...@redhat.com 4.8.1-1 - update to 4.8.1 erlang-ebloom-1.0.2-4.fc14 (FEDORA-2011-0675) A NIF wrapper around a basic bloom filter Update Information: * Added CXXFLAGS too ChangeLog: * Sat Jan 22 2011 Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com - 1.0.2-4 - Pass proper cxxflags to the C++ compiler (rhbz #669722) too * Fri Jan 21 2011 Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com - 1.0.2-3 - Pass proper cflags to the C compiler (rhbz #669722)
Fedora 13 updates-testing report
The following Fedora 13 Security updates need testing: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/dbus-1.2.24-2.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/subversion-1.6.15-1.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/feh-1.10.1-1.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/mod_auth_mysql-3.0.0-12.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/chm2pdf-0.9.1-8.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/wireshark-1.2.14-1.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/hplip-3.10.9-14.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/myproxy-5.3-1.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/proftpd-1.3.3d-1.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-CGI-3.51-1.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/tor-0.2.1.29-1300.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-CGI-Simple-1.113-1.fc13 The following Fedora 13 Critical Path updates have yet to be approved: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/procps-3.2.8-8.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/elfutils-0.151-1.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/util-linux-ng-2.17.2-10.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/livecd-tools-13.1-1.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/selinux-policy-3.7.19-80.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libical-0.46-2.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/pm-utils-1.2.6.1-4.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/mash-0.5.20-1.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/openldap-2.4.21-11.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/nss-3.12.7-4.fc13,nss-util-3.12.7-2.fc13,nss-softokn-3.12.7-3.fc13,nspr-4.8.6-1.fc13 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xorg-x11-drv-openchrome-0.2.904-7.fc13 The following builds have been pushed to Fedora 13 updates-testing PyQuante-1.6.4-1.fc13 bios_extract-0-0.6.20101207gitd65284d.fc13 html-xml-utils-5.9-1.fc13 pondus-0.7.3-1.fc13 python-pep8-0.6.0-2.fc13 rubygem-boxgrinder-build-sftp-delivery-plugin-0.0.5-1.fc13 Details about builds: PyQuante-1.6.4-1.fc13 (FEDORA-2011-0666) Python Quantum Chemistry Update Information: Update to 1.6.4, switch back to using stable release branch. ChangeLog: * Sat Jan 22 2011 Jussi Lehtola jussileht...@fedoraproject.org - 1.6.4-1 - Update to 1.6.4. - Drop tests from package, since they are run upon build. bios_extract-0-0.6.20101207gitd65284d.fc13 (FEDORA-2011-0667) Tools to extract the different submodules of common legacy bioses Update Information: * New GIT snapshot ChangeLog: * Sat Jan 22 2011 Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com - 0-0.6.20101207gitd65284d - New git snapshot - Dropped upstreamed patches html-xml-utils-5.9-1.fc13 (FEDORA-2011-0672) A number of simple utilities for manipulating HTML and XML files Update Information: Update to 5.9, see changelog at http://www.w3.org/Tools/HTML-XML-utils/ChangeLog Update to 5.8, see changelog at: http://www.w3.org/Tools/HTML-XML-utils/ChangeLog ChangeLog: * Sat Jan 22 2011 Milos Jakubicek xja...@fi.muni.cz - 5.9-1 - Update to 5.9 * Wed Jan 19 2011 Milos Jakubicek xja...@fi.muni.cz - 5.8-1 - Update to 5.8 References: [ 1 ] Bug #671857 - html-xml-utils-5.9 is available https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=671857 [ 2 ] Bug #654749 - html-xml-utils-5.8 is available https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=654749 pondus-0.7.3-1.fc13 (FEDORA-2011-0674) A personal weight management program Update Information: Update to newest stable upstream release. ChangeLog: * Sat Jan 22 2011 Jussi Lehtola jussileht...@fedoraproject.org - 0.7.3-1 - Update to 0.7.3. * Wed Jul 21 2010 David Malcolm dmalc...@redhat.com - 0.7.2-2 -
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 14:32, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Well you'd want to be able to exclude it as well and adding it as an artificial dep to something like gnome-session won't allow it to be removed. GNOME Shell is the shell of GNOME 3 and thus depending on the GNOME Shell from the gnome-session from GNOME 3 is not artificial but rather a requirement. The fallback mode is intended as a fallback for driver and VM problems, not as first-class desktop environment. You will be allowed to force it to use the fallback mode should the detection fail to understand your hardware but that's not quite there yet. See here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-January/msg8.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-January/msg00138.html So, doing what you describe from the UI makes a lot more sense (and explaining why) from a user perspective than, If you drivers don't work do this magic with the package manager. The former is helpful; the later is pain. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: 2011-01-24 @ 16:00UTC - Fedora QA meeting - call for topics
On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:37:17 + Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: I see. Is this not FAS problem as in the required page should pop up to the applicant for reading before he can proceed to apply or the group admin aint doing his due diligence and regularly check the account for new applications and contact those that have applied. There's no such ability currently in FAS to do that. ;) It can show a bit of text when someone looks at the group, but it can't make them click through something. You can have people who request to join the group send to the admin... I suppose thats another option, but may result in a single point of failure. By the way to the sponsors ever check if the applicant actually has read the documentation since if they dont then we might just as well turn that requirement off. Well, how do you mean? Do they go to your house with a printed out copy and wait while they watch you reading it? No. ;) They do ask if you have read it and expect a real positive reply. I think a FAS addition that allowed showing text and requiring a 'I have read this' check would work great, unfortunately, it doesn't exist currently. ;( kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 14:32, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Well you'd want to be able to exclude it as well and adding it as an artificial dep to something like gnome-session won't allow it to be removed. GNOME Shell is the shell of GNOME 3 and thus depending on the GNOME Shell from the gnome-session from GNOME 3 is not artificial but rather a requirement. The fallback mode is intended as a fallback for driver and VM problems, not as first-class desktop environment. You will be allowed to force it to use the fallback mode should the detection fail to understand your hardware but that's not quite there yet. See here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-January/msg8.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-January/msg00138.html So, doing what you describe from the UI makes a lot more sense (and explaining why) from a user perspective than, If you drivers don't work do this magic with the package manager. The former is helpful; the later is pain. what about users choice? Isn't that what free software is about? Peter -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 14:32, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Well you'd want to be able to exclude it as well and adding it as an artificial dep to something like gnome-session won't allow it to be removed. GNOME Shell is the shell of GNOME 3 and thus depending on the GNOME Shell from the gnome-session from GNOME 3 is not artificial but rather a requirement. The fallback mode is intended as a fallback for driver and VM problems, not as first-class desktop environment. You will be allowed to force it to use the fallback mode should the detection fail to understand your hardware but that's not quite there yet. See here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-January/msg8.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-January/msg00138.html So, doing what you describe from the UI makes a lot more sense (and explaining why) from a user perspective than, If you drivers don't work do this magic with the package manager. The former is helpful; the later is pain. what about users choice? Isn't that what free software is about? https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:22:28PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: what about users choice? Isn't that what free software is about? You have the freedom to modify the packages to remove any dependencies you want to. You don't have the freedom to insist that packagers support that use case. -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:22:28PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: what about users choice? Isn't that what free software is about? You have the freedom to modify the packages to remove any dependencies you want to. You don't have the freedom to insist that packagers support that use case. So what are all the people that don't have video cards suppose to do that don't support 3D. Use KDE? I thought gnome was continuing to support that use case? Peter -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On 1/22/2011 6:05 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:22:28PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: what about users choice? Isn't that what free software is about? You have the freedom to modify the packages to remove any dependencies you want to. You don't have the freedom to insist that packagers support that use case. So what are all the people that don't have video cards suppose to do that don't support 3D. Use KDE? I thought gnome was continuing to support that use case? IMO. t is the users of KDE that are entwined with Ksome_name applications. :-) That is not the case with Gnome users. When Fedora 'broke'? the Gnome Desktop in Fedora 15/Rawhide I switched to XFCE. I still use the same major applications. The same Fedora GUI configuration applications. The only 'new things' gasp that I had to get used to was a slightly different looking terminal window, a slightly different looking file manger, and a slightly different looking desktop. That took about 10 minutes. -- David -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 23:05 +, Peter Robinson wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:22:28PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: what about users choice? Isn't that what free software is about? You have the freedom to modify the packages to remove any dependencies you want to. You don't have the freedom to insist that packagers support that use case. So what are all the people that don't have video cards suppose to do that don't support 3D. Use KDE? I thought gnome was continuing to support that use case? Yes, thats the much-talked about fallback. Supporting that does not mean that we have to support only installing the half of the desktop you want. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
So what are all the people that don't have video cards suppose to do that don't support 3D. Use KDE? I thought gnome was continuing to support that use case? Yes, thats the much-talked about fallback. Supporting that does not mean that we have to support only installing the half of the desktop you want. maybe the problem is somewhere else: why gnome does not switch to plan b if gnome-shell is not installed? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Introduction
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:35 PM, James Laska jla...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 13:36 +-0100, Jan Vongrej wrote: +AD4 Hi, +AD4 +AD4 I would like to patricipate and as i looked currently the best way to do is to try to join Bug Zappers Team. +AD4 I have experience like system administrator, scripting developer, network/voip admin. I am working with linux a lot with since 2001. I come across lots of linux distros.. starting Redhat 7.2, gentoo, suse and fedora as well. +AD4 My name is Jan Vongrej, I'm 30 years old and i live in Slovakia. +AD4 At my signature I'm sending my contacts so fell free if anyone want to contact me. +AD4 +AD4 Bye +AD4 Jan +AD4 IRC: m0d0r AT irc.freenode.net +AD4 gtalk: jan.vongrej Hi Jan, welcome+ACE. In addition to BugZappers +AFs-1+AF0, there are plenty of QA activities that might also be of interest. For example, Fedora 15 testing will be heating up soon, so there will also be a lot of of Test days +AFs-2+AF0 and release validation events +AFs-3+AF0 +AFs-4+AF0 to participate in. Otherwise, we always are in need of skilled testers to help validate test critical path updates +AFs-5+AF0. Please take a moment to review and feel free to ask any questions. I look forward to your contributions :) Thanks, James +AFs-1+AF0 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Joining +AFs-2+AF0 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora+AF8-15+AF8-test+AF8-days +AFs-3+AF0https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora+AF8-15+AF8-test+AF8-days%0A+AFs-3+AF0 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Installation+AF8-validation+AF8-testing +AFs-4+AF0https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Installation+AF8-validation+AF8-testing%0A+AFs-4+AF0 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Desktop+AF8-validation+AF8-testing +AFs-5+AF0https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Desktop+AF8-validation+AF8-testing%0A+AFs-5+AF0 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Proven+AF8-tester -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test Hi, thank you for the introduction. I am reviewing the docs for now. Jan -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
