Re: google-chrome transaction error...

2012-05-03 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Rob Healey  wrote:
> Greetings:
>
> Upon trying to install this software, I got this issue...
>
> Transaction Check Error:
>   file /usr/bin from install of
> google-chrome-unstable-20.0.1123.4-135092.x86_64 conflicts with file from
> package filesystem-3.1-1.fc18.x86_64

It's a problem with Google's packaging and Rawhide that they need to
fix.  See http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.testers/98099

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google-chrome transaction error...

2012-05-03 Thread Rob Healey
Greetings:

Upon trying to install this software, I got this issue...

Transaction Check Error:
  file /usr/bin from install of
google-chrome-unstable-20.0.1123.4-135092.x86_64 conflicts with file from
package filesystem-3.1-1.fc18.x86_64


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Fedora 17 updates-testing report

2012-05-03 Thread updates
The following Fedora 17 Security updates need testing:


https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5785/python3-3.2.3-5.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6334/sectool-0.9.5-7.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7070/postgresql-pgpoolAdmin-3.1.1-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6494/wordpress-3.3.2-2.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7010/vdr-1.7.27-2.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7199/evolution-mapi-3.4.1-2.fc17,openchange-1.0-4.fc17,samba4-4.0.0-46alpha18.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7259/drupal6-og-2.3-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-/bind-dyndb-ldap-1.1.0-0.11.rc1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6674/puppet-2.7.13-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6704/asterisk-10.3.1-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6869/php-5.4.1-1.fc17,maniadrive-1.2-38.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6963/polarssl-1.1.3-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7086/seamonkey-2.9.1-1.fc17


The following Fedora 17 Critical Path updates have yet to be approved:


https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7265/livecd-tools-17.11-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7271/xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.19.0-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7276/accountsservice-0.6.19-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7255/gtkhtml3-4.4.1-2.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7251/lorax-17.17-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7262/biosdevname-0.4.0-1.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7269/rpm-4.9.1.3-6.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7254/udisks2-1.94.0-2.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7198/libXi-1.6.1-1.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7203/libwacom-0.5-2.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7215/xorg-x11-drv-synaptics-1.6.0-1.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7078/gcc-4.7.0-3.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7105/mdadm-3.2.3-9.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7061/anaconda-17.24-1.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7091/nss-3.13.4-3.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7064/fedora-logos-17.0.1-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6928/iproute-3.3.0-2.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6961/db4-4.8.30-10.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6978/gphoto2-2.4.14-1.fc17,libgphoto2-2.4.14-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6930/perl-Compress-Raw-Lzma-2.052-1.fc17,perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.052-1.fc17,perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.052-1.fc17,perl-IO-Compress-2.052-1.fc17,perl-IO-Compress-Lzma-2.052-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6975/usbmuxd-1.0.8-2.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/selinux-policy-3.10.0-119.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6823/xorg-x11-drv-vesa-2.3.1-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6660/libvdpau-0.4.1-7.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6693/mactel-boot-0.9-5.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6698/perl-Net-SSLeay-1.48-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6598/openldap-2.4.31-1.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6475/gdisk-0.8.4-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6476/telepathy-glib-0.18.1-1.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6453/pcre-8.21-5.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6075/colord-0.1.19-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6111/sane-backends-1.0.22-10.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6165/perl-IO-Socket-SSL-1.66-1.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5976/pungi-2.11-2.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5710/libpciaccess-0.13.1-1.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5575/libxcb-1.8.1-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5335/xmlrpc-c-1.29.3-1702.svn2290.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-4131/webkitgtk3-1.7.91-2.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-3251/bluez-4.99-1.fc17

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-3174/xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-0.0.16-35.20120306gitf5d1cd2.fc17
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-1726/gpgme-1.3.0-8

Re: Palimsest discrepancy

2012-05-03 Thread ergodic
Finally back in town again and back to Palimpsest.
A little background first.  My box is a  Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield at 
2.4GHz, Asus P5K mobo, 6GB core, XFX GeForce 8600 video card and two hard drive 
drawers. For OS, Grub1 multi-booting Fedora 15, 16, 17β, Win-XP and Win-7.

By January 2011, Fedora 14 reported for the Maxtor 320GB drive: “DISK HAS MANY 
BAD SECTORS   Age: 136.0 days PwrCycles: 1285Bad sectors: -4”,   with a 
recommendation for immediate back-up and replacement.
At that time a Seagate ST1000  1TB drive was installed internally in the box 
and partitioned to accept various data partitions and a Fedora  OS to be used 
as a back-up OS.  The system normally operates from one of the OSs in a drive 
slipped in one of the drive drawers.  All data in the Maxtor 320GB was moved to 
the Seagate drive and is periodically imaged  to another external  drive via a 
drawer.

The  Maxtor 320 GB drive was imaged to a new WD 320GB drive for back-up.  The 
Maxtor was kept in service to see when it would fail.  So far it has not!

What has changed in F-17β from F-14,F-15 and F-16 to change the report to OK 
with 0 bad sectors.

 All three previous Fedoras still report for the disk as of today:  “DISK HAS 
MANY BAD SECTORS  Age: 248.3 days PwrCycles: 3370  Bad sectors: -4”.
  This amounts to   2695.2  hours  and   2085  power cycles: since the first 
warning.

A Samsung 160GB that was removed from service o  2010-11-07 at   age: 90.7 days 
 with  1115 power  cycles and  12 bad sectors, shows under F-14, F-15 and F-16 
“ Disk has a few bad sectors” . With F-17β it shows “ Disk is OK
Age: 104.7 daysPower Cycles: 1271  Bad Sectors: 12Pending Sectors: 0”

hdtune-224 in Windows XP reports the Maxtor as OK.

My question is one of trust,  which one is accurate?   

However, I am inclined to believe that is the way Maxtor reports the parameter 
in question.

Thanks to all,

Cheers.


- Original Message -
On Mon, 2012-04-30 at 13:35 -0400, ergodic wrote:
> Has anyone experienced Palimpsest discrepancies?
> 
> Palimsest in Fedora 16 reports a disk (MAXTOR STM3320620AS) as
> failing:  "DISK HAS MANY BAD SECTORS" etc.
> SMART:  197 Current pending Sector Count Value -4 sectors.
> 
> Palimsest in Fedora 17 beta reports the same disk (MAXTOR
> STM3320620AS) as "OK"
> SMART:  197 Current pending Sector Count 0 sectors  OK.
> 
> Obviously one is incorrect, which one?

Interpretation of the SMART data can be tricky. There's a longstanding
bug where palimpsest considers numbers of 'bad' sectors that are well
within manufacturers' tolerances to indicate a failing disk:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=498115

and it's possible you hit that in F16 and it's been corrected, at least
for your particular disk, in F17. That '-4' does seem odd, though, as
another poster mentioned. The bug report linked above has some useful
diagnostic steps you can take.
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Fedora 15 updates-testing report

2012-05-03 Thread updates
The following Fedora 15 Security updates need testing:

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6996/expat-2.1.0-1.fc15

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6395/openssl-1.0.0i-1.fc15

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6511/wordpress-3.3.2-2.fc15

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6630/dokuwiki-0-0.10.20110525.a.fc15

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7246/libsoup-2.34.3-2.fc15
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6629/gdb-7.3.1-50.fc15

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6730/openconnect-3.18-1.fc15

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6724/asterisk-1.8.11.1-1.fc15

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6759/bind-dyndb-ldap-1.1.0-0.11.rc1.fc15

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6911/php-5.3.11-1.fc15,php-eaccelerator-0.9.6.1-9.fc15.3,maniadrive-1.2-32.fc15.3

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-17233/tor-0.2.1.32-1500.fc15

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7131/seamonkey-2.9.1-1.fc15


The following Fedora 15 Critical Path updates have yet to be approved:


https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7246/libsoup-2.34.3-2.fc15
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7117/mdadm-3.2.3-9.fc15
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/kernel-2.6.43.4-1.fc15

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7149/thunderbird-12.0.1-1.fc15,thunderbird-lightning-1.4-2.fc15
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6996/expat-2.1.0-1.fc15
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6919/mysql-5.5.23-1.fc15
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6629/gdb-7.3.1-50.fc15

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6552/PackageKit-0.6.17-2.fc15
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6517/pcre-8.12-8.fc15

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6395/openssl-1.0.0i-1.fc15
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6373/fuse-2.8.7-1.fc15.1
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/dracut-009-15.fc15


The following builds have been pushed to Fedora 15 updates-testing

389-ds-base-1.2.10.8-1.fc15
drupal6-6.26-1.fc15
drupal6-pathauto-2.0-1.fc15
drupal7-7.14-1.fc15
libsoup-2.34.3-2.fc15
nickle-2.75-1.fc15
pcp-3.6.3-1.fc15
pcp-gui-1.5.5-1.fc15
perl-Pod-Wordlist-hanekomu-1.121231-1.fc15
perl-Test-Valgrind-1.13-3.fc15
strace-4.7-1.fc15

Details about builds:



 389-ds-base-1.2.10.8-1.fc15 (FEDORA-2012-7237)
 389 Directory Server (base)

Update Information:

fix ldclt crash in previous fix
a couple of crashes
Ticket #348 - crash in ldap_initialize with multiple threads
Ticket #347 - IPA dirsvr seg-fault during system longevity test
crash bug with multiple transactions and range searches

ChangeLog:

* Thu May  3 2012 Rich Megginson  - 1.2.10.8-1
- Ticket #348 - crash in ldap_initialize with multiple threads
-  previous fix would crash in ldclt - this fixes that crash
* Mon Apr 30 2012 Rich Megginson  - 1.2.10.7-1
- Ticket #348 - crash in ldap_initialize with multiple threads
- Ticket #347 - IPA dirsvr seg-fault during system longevity test




 drupal6-6.26-1.fc15 (FEDORA-2012-7234)
 An open-source content-management platform

Update Information:

New upstream release.

ChangeLog:

* Thu May  3 2012 Jon Ciesla  - 6.26-1
- New upstream, 818537.

References:

  [ 1 ] Bug #818537 - drupal6-6.26 is available
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=818537




 drupal6-pathauto-2.0-1.fc15 (FEDORA-2012-7229)
 Automatically generates path aliases

Update Information:

New upstream version.

ChangeLog:

* Thu May  3 2012 Peter Borsa  - 2.0-1
- Updated to the latest stable.
* Fri Jan 13 2012 Fedora Release Engineering  
- 2.0-0.5.rc2
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Mass_Rebuild
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Fedora 16 updates-testing report

2012-05-03 Thread updates
The following Fedora 16 Security updates need testing:


https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6529/argyllcms-1.4.0-1.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7124/postgresql-pgpoolAdmin-3.1.1-1.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5833/python3-3.2.3-1.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6628/dokuwiki-0-0.10.20110525.a.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6542/wordpress-3.3.2-2.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-5924/python-2.7.3-1.fc16,python-docs-2.7.3-1.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6614/gdb-7.3.50.20110722-16.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6758/openconnect-3.18-1.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-14691/tomcat6-6.0.32-19.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6722/bind-dyndb-ldap-1.1.0-0.11.rc1.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6382/samba4-4.0.0-38.alpha16.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6907/php-5.3.11-1.fc16,php-eaccelerator-0.9.6.1-9.fc16.3,maniadrive-1.2-32.fc16.3

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7141/seamonkey-2.9.1-1.fc16


The following Fedora 16 Critical Path updates have yet to be approved:


https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7238/xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-0.0.16-28.20120321gitab7291d.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7134/policycoreutils-2.1.4-16.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7172/NetworkManager-0.9.4-5.git20120502.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7145/mdadm-3.2.3-9.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7146/analitza-4.8.3-1.fc16,ark-4.8.3-1.fc16,blinken-4.8.3-1.fc16,cantor-4.8.3-1.fc16,filelight-4.8.3-1.fc16,gwenview-4.8.3-1.fc16,jovie-4.8.3-1.fc16,kaccessible-4.8.3-1.fc16,kactivities-4.8.3-1.fc16,kalgebra-4.8.3-1.fc16,kalzium-4.8.3-1.fc16,kamera-4.8.3-1.fc16,kanagram-4.8.3-1.fc16,kate-4.8.3-2.fc16,kbruch-4.8.3-1.fc16,kcalc-4.8.3-1.fc16,kcharselect-4.8.3-1.fc16,kcolorchooser-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdeaccessibility-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdeadmin-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdeartwork-4.8.3-1.fc16,kde-baseapps-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdebindings-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdeedu-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdegames-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdegraphics-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdegraphics-mobipocket-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdegraphics-thumbnailers-4.8.3-1.fc16,kde-l10n-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdelibs-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdemultimedia-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdenetwork-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdepim-4.8.3-2.fc16,kdepimlibs-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdepim-runtime-4.8.3-2.fc16,kdeplasma-addons-4.8.3-1.fc16,kde-printer-applet-4.8.3-1.fc16,kde-runtime-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdesdk-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdetoys-4.8.3-1.fc16,kdeutils-4.8.3-1.fc16,kde-wallpapers-4.8.3-1.fc16,kde-workspace-4.8.3-3.fc16,kdf-4.8.3-1.fc16,kfloppy-4.8.3-1.fc16,kgamma-4.8.3-1.fc16,kgeography-4.8.3-1.fc16,kgpg-4.8.3-1.fc16,khangman-4.8.3-1.fc16,kig-4.8.3-1.fc16,kimono-4.8.3-1.fc16,kiten-4.8.3-1.fc16,klettres-4.8.3-1.fc16,kmag-4.8.3-1.fc16,kmousetool-4.8.3-1.fc16,kmouth-4.8.3-1.fc16,kmplot-4.8.3-1.fc16,kolourpaint-4.8.3-1.fc16,konsole-4.8.3-1.fc16,kremotecontrol-4.8.3-1.fc16,kross-interpreters-4.8.3-1.fc16,kruler-4.8.3-1.fc16,ksaneplugin-4.8.3-1.fc16,ksecrets-4.8.3-1.fc16,ksnapshot-4.8.3-1.fc16,kstars-4.8.3-1.fc16,ktimer-4.8.3-1.fc16,ktouch-4.8.3-1.fc16,kturtle-4.8.3-1.fc16,kwallet-4.8.3-1.fc16,kwordquiz-4.8.3-1.fc16,libkdcraw-4.8.3-1.fc16,libkdeedu-4.8.3-1.fc16,libkexiv2-4.8.3-1.fc16,libkipi-4.8.3-1.fc16,libksane-4.8.3-1.fc16,marble-4.8.3-1.fc16,okular-4.8.3-1.fc16,oxygen-icon-theme-4.8.3-1.fc16,parley-4.8.3-1.fc16,pykde4-4.8.3-2.fc16,qyoto-4.8.3-1.fc16,rocs-4.8.3-1.fc16,ruby-korundum-4.8.3-1.fc16,ruby-qt-4.8.3-1.fc16,smokegen-4.8.3-1.fc16,smokekde-4.8.3-1.fc16,smokeqt-4.8.3-1.fc16,step-4.8.3-1.fc16,superkaramba-4.8.3-1.fc16,svgpart-4.8.3-1.fc16,sweeper-4.8.3-1.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-7168/NetworkManager-0.9.4-4.git20120403.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6993/iproute-2.6.39-6.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6994/upower-0.9.16-1.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6914/mysql-5.5.23-1.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6837/livecd-tools-16.14-1.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6726/livecd-tools-16.13-1.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6614/gdb-7.3.50.20110722-16.fc16

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6613/selinux-policy-3.10.0-86.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6516/pcre-8.12-9.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6389/taglib-1.7.2-1.fc16
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-6416/fuse-2.8.7-1.fc16.1
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-3319/GConf2-3.2.3-4.fc16


The following builds have be

Re: dependency problems: samba4-client-4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17.i686 from updates-testing

2012-05-03 Thread Antonio Olivares
 
> Try "yum distro-sync".
> 
> -- 

Thanks to all for the suggestions provided.  
# yum distro-sync 
does cure the problem :)

[root@acer-aspire-1 ~]# yum distro-sync
Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
fedora/metalink  |  14 kB 00:00 
fedora   | 4.2 kB 00:00 
fedora/primary_db|  12 MB 00:22 
fedora/group_gz  | 434 kB 00:01 
updates/metalink |  20 kB 00:00 
updates-testing/metalink |  10 kB 00:00 
http://download-i2.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/updates/testing/17/i386/repodata/repomd.xml:
 [Errno 14] curl#7 - "Couldn't connect"
Trying other mirror.
updates-testing  | 4.5 kB 00:00 
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
---> Package libsmbclient.i686 1:3.6.5-85.fc17.1 will be a downgrade
---> Package libsmbclient.i686 1:4.0.0-41alpha18.fc17 will be erased
---> Package libwbclient.i686 1:3.6.5-85.fc17.1 will be a downgrade
---> Package libwbclient.i686 1:4.0.0-41alpha18.fc17 will be erased
---> Package samba4-client.i686 1:4.0.0-41alpha18.fc17 will be updated
---> Package samba4-client.i686 1:4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17 will be an update
---> Package samba4-common.i686 1:4.0.0-41alpha18.fc17 will be updated
---> Package samba4-common.i686 1:4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17 will be an update
---> Package samba4-dc.i686 1:4.0.0-41alpha18.fc17 will be updated
---> Package samba4-dc.i686 1:4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17 will be an update
---> Package samba4-dc-libs.i686 1:4.0.0-41alpha18.fc17 will be updated
---> Package samba4-dc-libs.i686 1:4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17 will be an update
---> Package samba4-libs.i686 1:4.0.0-41alpha18.fc17 will be updated
---> Package samba4-libs.i686 1:4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17 will be an update
---> Package setools-libs.i686 0:3.3.7-22.fc17 will be a downgrade
---> Package setools-libs.i686 0:3.3.7-23.fc17 will be erased
---> Package setools-libs-python.i686 0:3.3.7-22.fc17 will be a downgrade
---> Package setools-libs-python.i686 0:3.3.7-23.fc17 will be erased
--> Finished Dependency Resolution

Dependencies Resolved


 Package   Arch   Version   Repository Size

Updating:
 samba4-client i686   1:4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17updates-testing   757 k
 samba4-common i686   1:4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17updates-testing   573 k
 samba4-dc i686   1:4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17updates-testing   1.0 M
 samba4-dc-libsi686   1:4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17updates-testing   392 k
 samba4-libs   i686   1:4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17updates-testing   3.4 M
Downgrading:
 libsmbclient  i686   1:3.6.5-85.fc17.1 fedora1.6 M
 libwbclient   i686   1:3.6.5-85.fc17.1 fedora 69 k
 setools-libs  i686   3.3.7-22.fc17 fedora406 k
 setools-libs-python   i686   3.3.7-22.fc17 fedora209 k

Transaction Summary

Upgrade5 Packages
Downgrade  4 Packages

Total download size: 8.2 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y
Downloading Packages:
Setting up and reading Presto delta metadata
updates-testing/prestodelta  | 681 kB 00:02 
Processing delta metadata
Package(s) data still to download: 6.0 M
(1/9): libsmbclient-3.6.5-85.fc17.1.i686.rpm | 1.6 MB 00:09 
(2/9): libwbclient-3.6.5-85.fc17.1.i686.rpm  |  69 kB 00:00 
(3/9): samba4-client-4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17.i686.rpm   | 757 kB 00:01 
(4/9): samba4-common-4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17.i686.rpm   | 573 kB 00:01 
(5/9): samba4-dc-4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17.i686.rpm   | 1.0 MB 00:02 
(6/9): samba4-dc-libs-4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17.i686.rpm  | 392 kB 00:02 
(7/9): samba4-libs-4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17.i686.rpm | 3.4 MB 00:12 
(8/9): setools-libs-3.3.7-22.fc17.i686.rpm   | 406 kB 00:01 
(9/9): setools-libs-python-3.3.7-22.fc17.i686.rpm| 209 kB 00:00 

Total   233 kB/s | 8.2 MB 00:36 
Running Transaction Check
Running Transaction Test
Transaction Test Succeeded
Running Transaction
  Updating   : 1:samba4-libs-4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17.i686 1/18 
  Installing : 1:libsmbclient-3.6.5-85.fc17.1.i686 2/18 
/sbin/ldconfig: /lib/libsmbclient.so.0 is not a symbolic link

  Updating   : 1:samba4-dc-4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17.i686  

re: gnome shell calendar colors

2012-05-03 Thread Rob Healey
Greetings:

Thanks for the idea of changing the theme or using the High Contrast, but
the only thing that I want to change is the calendar portion not
everything...

I was hoping the colors would be in a css file somewhere...

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Re: GMA500 vs. G3 software render

2012-05-03 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Thursday, May 3, 2012, 4:01:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 13:41 -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 3, 2012, 1:22:29 PM, Adam Pribyl wrote:
>> > On Thu, 3 May 2012, Adam Jackson wrote:
>> >> On 5/3/12 7:36 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> 
>> The world is full of Adams, it appears!

> If certain religions are to be believed, at one point the world's human
> population was entirely composed of us. ;)

Indeed.  Could even call it one happy Adams Family.

Oh wait, that was the TV show, not the book.



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Re: F17: gedit: drag & drop freezes forever mouse pointer on drag mode

2012-05-03 Thread Pedro Francisco
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Michael Schwendt  wrote:
> I've visited  http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/gedit  and found:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/808789
>
> Steps on how to reproduce attached to that ticket.

Thanks!

I SIGSEGV'd gedit during the hang and uploaded the backtrace to that
bug report, I hope it's worth something.

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Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-05-03 Thread Akshay Vyas
I am not sure what caused this because i have fedora 17 beta installed
on my old p4 pc and its working fine earlier i had fedora 16 installed
i didn't faced any issue with selinux

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Michael Hennebry
 wrote:
> On Wed, 2 May 2012, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2012-04-28 at 23:46 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>>
>>> What should I do about the messages?
>>> Would yum reinstalling some packages, e.g. selinux-policy-targeted, help?
>>> What are the consequences of just ignoring them?
>>
>>
>> At this point I'd say file a bug against selinux-policy for that issue,
>> at least. I'm not sure what's going on there.
>
>
> 'Tis done: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=818748
>
> I expect that it will be a while before the bug is either fixed or
> abandoned.
> What to do in the mean time?
> Should I use it as-is?
> Will something blow up if I try to enable selinux?
> Should I stick with F14?
> Should I yum reinstall packages?
>
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Re: gnome shell calendar colors...

2012-05-03 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 09:03:38PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 21:39 +0200, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 11:38:32AM -0700, Rob Healey wrote:
> > > 
> > > Would anyone know where to look for the background and foreground colors
> > > for the gnome-shell calendar?
> >
> > Strictly speaking you cannot do
> > that.
> 
> You'd think the High Contrast accessibility option would do something
> about it, at least.

"Something" it does.  Not anything really useful where I tried.  Maybe
it helps somebody but vision problems do not fit into "one
straightjacket fits all" model, I am afraid.

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Re: F17 vs. Pentium 4

2012-05-03 Thread Michael Hennebry

On Wed, 2 May 2012, Adam Williamson wrote:


On Sat, 2012-04-28 at 23:46 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:


What should I do about the messages?
Would yum reinstalling some packages, e.g. selinux-policy-targeted, help?
What are the consequences of just ignoring them?


At this point I'd say file a bug against selinux-policy for that issue,
at least. I'm not sure what's going on there.


'Tis done: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=818748

I expect that it will be a while before the bug is either fixed or abandoned.
What to do in the mean time?
Should I use it as-is?
Will something blow up if I try to enable selinux?
Should I stick with F14?
Should I yum reinstall packages?

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Re: F17: gedit: drag & drop freezes forever mouse pointer on drag mode

2012-05-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 3 May 2012 21:00:21 +0200, MS (Michael) wrote:

> On Thu, 3 May 2012 18:27:32 +0100, PF (Pedro) wrote:
> 
> > Arg yes it stopped working for me as 
> > well
> > 
> > Try this:
> > $ gedit &
> > $ killall nautilus ; nautilus /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-17 &
> > 
> > Now, double-click the "GPL" file. A new gedit window should appear.
> > 
> > To allow you to resume your work afterwards, on another console, do:
> > $ sleep 15; killall gedit
> > 
> > Try to drag and drop the gedit tab "GPL" to the other gedit window.
> > 
> > Watch your mouse pointer freeze on drag mode, disabling it
> > effectively; keyboard does not seem to respond as well. After ~15
> > seconds, when gedit windows are killed, you'll get your mouse and
> > keyboard back.
> > 
> > Can anyone confirm?
> 
> Yes. Dragging the _tab_ of the gedit, that has loaded the GPL file,
> to the empty gedit results in a freeze as described.

I've visited  http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/gedit  and found:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/808789

Steps on how to reproduce attached to that ticket.

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[Test-Announce] 2012-05-04 @ 17:00 UTC - F17 Final Blocker Bug Review #4

2012-05-03 Thread Tim Flink
# F17 Final Blocker Review meeting #4
# Date: 2012-05-04
# Time: 17:00 UTC [1] (13:00 EDT, 10:00 PDT)
# Location: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net

Apparently we're trying to set a record for the number of blocker
review meetings in one week. We should get through the rest of them
this time, though.

The next review meeting will be on Friday, 2012-05-04. We'll be running
through the beta blockers and nice-to-haves. An updated list of blocker
bugs is available at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers.

We'll be reviewing the bugs to determine ...

1. Whether they meet the final release criteria [1] and should stay
 on the list
2. Whether they are getting the attention they need

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Final_Release_Criteria

For guidance on Blocker and Nice-to-have (NTH) bugs, please refer to
 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process
 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_nth_bug_process 

For the blocker review meeting protocol, see
 - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting

Tim


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2012-05-03@ 17:00 UTC - F17 Final Blocker Bug Review #3 minutes

2012-05-03 Thread Tim Flink
==
#fedora-bugzappers: f17-final-blocker-review-3
==

Minutes: 
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-05-03/f17-final-blocker-review-3.2012-05-03-17.00.html
Minutes (text): 
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-05-03/f17-final-blocker-review-3.2012-05-03-17.00.txt
Log: 
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-05-03/f17-final-blocker-review-3.2012-05-03-17.00.log.html



Meeting summary
---
* Roll Call  (tflink, 17:00:45)

* introduction  (tflink, 17:05:59)
  * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and
nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor
the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have
bugs.  (tflink, 17:06:11)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting
(tflink, 17:06:48)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers
(tflink, 17:07:10)
  * LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_17_Final_Release_Criteria
(tflink, 17:07:41)
  * 13 proposed blockers  (tflink, 17:07:58)
  * 12 accepted blockers  (tflink, 17:07:59)
  * 10 proposed NTH\  (tflink, 17:07:59)

* (816701) Anaconda should not default to gpt on BIOS systems  (tflink,
  17:10:10)
  * LINK: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816701   (tflink,
17:10:10)
  * Proposed Blocker, MODIFIED  (tflink, 17:10:10)
  * AGREED: - 816701 - RejectedBlocker - While this is a sensible
change, it doesn't hit any of the release criteria and we're still
before the final code freeze  (tflink, 17:18:23)

* (814690) Users are not logged out correctly  (tflink, 17:18:31)
  * LINK: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=814690   (tflink,
17:18:31)
  * Proposed Blocker, NEW  (tflink, 17:18:31)
  * AGREED: - 814690 - At the moment, this appears to be too much of a
corner case to be a blocker but we want to give a bit more time for
new reports and triage before making a final decision on blocker
status  (tflink, 17:35:19)

* (799667) [abrt] gnome-settings-daemon-3.3.90.1-1.fc17: g_logv: Process
  /usr/libexec/gnome-settings-daemon was killed by signal 5 (SIGTRAP)
  (tflink, 17:35:36)
  * LINK: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799667   (tflink,
17:35:39)
  * Proposed Blocker, NEW  (tflink, 17:35:42)
  * AGREED: - 799667 - RejectedBlocker - While this is ugly and the
cause is not immediately obvious, it was deemed too much of a corner
case to take as a blocker for F17 final  (tflink, 17:56:18)

* (815243) reset of gnome-shell starts NewtorkManager.service  (tflink,
  17:56:21)
  * LINK: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=815243   (tflink,
17:56:24)
  * Proposed Blocker, NEW  (tflink, 17:56:26)
  * AGREED: - 815243 - RejectedBlocker - This doesn't hit any of the
release criteria, won't affect any of the livecds and could be fixed
with an update.  (tflink, 18:01:24)

* (809111) grub2-probe fails during install  (tflink, 18:01:44)
  * LINK: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=809111   (tflink,
18:01:45)
  * Proposed Blocker, NEW  (tflink, 18:01:45)
  * AGREED: - 809111 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the F17 final release
criterion "The installer must be able to create and install to any
workable partition layout using any file system offered in a default
installer configuration, LVM, software, hardware or BIOS RAID, or
combination of the above"  (tflink, 18:10:13)

* (804363) kmix crashes when pulseaudio exits  (tflink, 18:13:05)
  * LINK: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=804363   (tflink,
18:13:05)
  * Proposed Blocker, VERIFIED  (tflink, 18:13:05)
  * AGREED: - 804363 - The affected builds have already been pushed to
stable and the fix has been verified - no need for blocker status
and will close the bug  (tflink, 18:17:22)

* (817298) ipw2x00: backport patch for nl80211 cipher suite reporting
  (tflink, 18:17:33)
  * LINK: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=817298   (tflink,
18:17:36)
  * Proposed Blocker, ON_QA  (tflink, 18:17:39)
  * AGREED: - 817298 - RejectedBlocker, AcceptedNTH - This only affects
a minority of hardware and only in fallback mode - deemed not common
enough to justify blocker status but accepted as NTH.  (tflink,
18:24:02)

* (816495) Network time can't be enabled  (tflink, 18:24:13)
  * LINK: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816495   (tflink,
18:24:13)
  * Proposed Blocker, ON_QA  (tflink, 18:24:13)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=815748   (kparal,
18:26:05)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816493   (kparal,
18:26:13)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816495   (kparal,
18:26:21)
  * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=815748   (tflink,
18:26:54)
  * AGREED: - 816495 - RejectedBlocker - This doesn't clearly hit any 

Re: gnome shell calendar colors...

2012-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 21:39 +0200, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 11:38:32AM -0700, Rob Healey wrote:
> > 
> > Would anyone know where to look for the background and foreground colors
> > for the gnome-shell calendar?  I have a very hard time seeing with my
> > limited sight, so I need to change the colors so that I may be able to see
> > it...
> 
> This is really waaay out of topic on a test list but I know perfectly
> well what you are talking about (while this is apparently beyond limits
> of comprehension to GNOME developers).  Strictly speaking you cannot do
> that.  What you can, at least for now until somebody will "improve" it,

You'd think the High Contrast accessibility option would do something
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Re: GMA500 vs. G3 software render

2012-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 13:41 -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote:
> On Thursday, May 3, 2012, 1:22:29 PM, Adam Pribyl wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 May 2012, Adam Jackson wrote:
> >> On 5/3/12 7:36 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> 
> The world is full of Adams, it appears!

If certain religions are to be believed, at one point the world's human
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Re: gnome shell calendar colors...

2012-05-03 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 11:38:32AM -0700, Rob Healey wrote:
> 
> Would anyone know where to look for the background and foreground colors
> for the gnome-shell calendar?  I have a very hard time seeing with my
> limited sight, so I need to change the colors so that I may be able to see
> it...

This is really waaay out of topic on a test list but I know perfectly
well what you are talking about (while this is apparently beyond limits
of comprehension to GNOME developers).  Strictly speaking you cannot do
that.  What you can, at least for now until somebody will "improve" it,
is to install gnome-tweak-tool and using it switch to some other than a
default gnome-shell-theme with a hope that this, plus maybe some font
tweaks, will give you something passable.  This is changing more that
you bargained for in the first place but this is AFAIK all what you can
get; without your own code to rewrite the whole sheebang that is.

You can find some gnome-shell-theme-... packages for Fedora and more if
you will look around.

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Re: F17: gedit: drag & drop freezes forever mouse pointer on drag mode

2012-05-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 3 May 2012 18:27:32 +0100, PF (Pedro) wrote:

> Arg yes it stopped working for me as well
> 
> Try this:
> $ gedit &
> $ killall nautilus ; nautilus /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-17 &
> 
> Now, double-click the "GPL" file. A new gedit window should appear.
> 
> To allow you to resume your work afterwards, on another console, do:
> $ sleep 15; killall gedit
> 
> Try to drag and drop the gedit tab "GPL" to the other gedit window.
> 
> Watch your mouse pointer freeze on drag mode, disabling it
> effectively; keyboard does not seem to respond as well. After ~15
> seconds, when gedit windows are killed, you'll get your mouse and
> keyboard back.
> 
> Can anyone confirm?

Yes. Dragging the _tab_ of the gedit, that has loaded the GPL file,
to the empty gedit results in a freeze as described.

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gnome shell calendar colors...

2012-05-03 Thread Rob Healey
Greetings:

Would anyone know where to look for the background and foreground colors
for the gnome-shell calendar?  I have a very hard time seeing with my
limited sight, so I need to change the colors so that I may be able to see
it...

Could anyone help me with this?

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Re: GMA500 vs. G3 software render

2012-05-03 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Thursday, May 3, 2012, 1:22:29 PM, Adam Pribyl wrote:
> On Thu, 3 May 2012, Adam Jackson wrote:
>> On 5/3/12 7:36 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:

The world is full of Adams, it appears!

>>> On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 13:21 +0200, Adam Pribyl wrote:
 While I consider the latest development on gma500, present in many Atom
 base netbooks, a great success and would like to say thank you to
 developer(s),
>>
>> When you say "latest development", what exactly are you referring to?
>>

> OK, your "latest development" is probably somewhere else, than mine, I
> meant F16-17 kernel psb->gma500 that made things work somehow out of the
> box.

>>> I don't know if there's a plan to blacklist systems with sufficiently
>>> 'bad' CPU performance from using software rendering, or if ajax is of
>>> the opinion that just about anything should be able to run Shell
>>> acceptably via software rendering and if a system doesn't, there's a bug
>>> that needs fixing...ajax, is there an overview here?
>>
>> I don't currently have such a plan.  I could, I guess.
>>
>> My personal opinion is that Core and up are pretty tolerable and 
>> anything less kind of isn't but also already kind of wasn't.  But I no 
>> longer really have any idea whether my threshold for acceptable 
>> interactivity matches that of anyone else.  Nor do I own any of the

> This you will notice, as letters written on the screen via keyboard are
> lagging behind what you type and gnome-shell is taking 100% cpu on any
> action.

>> non-free Intel kit - on the grounds of not rewarding Intel's duplicity - 
>> so I have no real idea what it's like there either.
>>
>> So if we want to blacklist low performers, okay, that's a thing we can 
>> do I suppose.  Where do we draw the line?

> I am not sure the blacklisting gets a wider support, thou just ideas:

> 1. if software render is enabled and CPU is less then Core 
> (if you meant Intel Core) or AMD Athlon, use fallback.

Since  Gnome  development is pressing for fallback to be removed, this
will eventually no longer be an alternative.

I've  using  Gnome  3 fallback on older Radeon hardware. I've tried to
upgrade  beyond  9200 SE level GPU, but am now hitting limitation with
the  power  supply  in  the  smaller  desktops  (AGP 8X) I am using as
limited  servers (DNS, DHCP, Samba).

The  reason I hopped on this thread is that the older cards that I was
using  use  the R100 driver, and these newer ones use the R2xx driver.
Both are currently blacklisted by Gnome 3.

Since  there  was  news  that  the ancient ATI Rage was updated to use
current acceleration, one hope is that the R2xx drives will eventually
follow suit.

I owe Ajax some BZs, I suspect.

> 2. ask testers during the test period and testdays to report

Very  subjective.   Better  to  have  an  easy-to-use  X configuration
control.

> 2a. measure difference between g3 sofware render and fallback (via 
> x11perf?)
> 2b. check the cpu load caused by process ghome-shell during some simple
> action like window gnome-terminal switching is higher than 50% for some
> time?

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Re: GMA500 vs. G3 software render

2012-05-03 Thread Adam Pribyl

On Thu, 3 May 2012, Bodhi Zazen wrote:


Just thought I would weigh in on this issue ...

I use the gma500 and, yes g3 is a bit slow, but performance has been improving.


I follow your blog closely, I have 1.33GHz Atom and compared to fallback 
it is a big difference. With fallback it flies.




It is on my to do list to take one of the F17 daily spins for a test drive.


I am testing F17 TC2.


If you find g3 slow, use another window manager, but I sort of like G3 on my 
netbook ;)


Of cousrse I can, but booting F17 Live on any netbook with poulsbo atom 
1.3GHz, makes clear decision - no way.



In discussing the issue I think you need to be more specific , are you talking 
kernel ? The 3.4 kernel should be even better. Or are you talking llvmpipe ?


OK.. This was just a simple question, I do not want to complicate things. 
Just wanted to point out, that software render is a double edge sword.

Personally I can live with small gsettings set.

Of course the best would be to have gma500 speed up - thats 
upstream work, but as gma500 is aging I doubt. But I may be wrong.


Adam Pribyl


- Original Message -
From: "Adam Pribyl" 
To: test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 5:21:06 AM
Subject: GMA500 vs. G3 software render

While I consider the latest development on gma500, present in many Atom 
base netbooks, a great success and would like to say thank you to 
developer(s), G3 software render negates all this for gnome shell as this 
is extremely slow on Atom. With the fallback mode the G3 is working very 
well on gma500. But the obvious question is, beside the questionable 
future of acceleration on gma500 - what is the future of the fallback? Is 
there still a list of devices that should use fallback "by default"? If 
yes, then I would nominate the gma500 for it, as this is really horrible 
experience, making many users scared, just after live CD/USB boot.


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Re: F17: gedit: drag & drop freezes forever mouse pointer on drag mode

2012-05-03 Thread Pedro Francisco
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Adam Williamson  wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 16:55 +0100, Pedro Francisco wrote:
>> I need to confirm a bug.
>
> Not easily, no. For a start, I've never quite figured out the trigger
> for the case where a new window opens instead of the document opening in
> the existing window: for me just following the above steps doesn't do
> it, the .bashrc opens in the first gedit window, so I don't get two
> windows at all).

Arg yes it stopped working for me as well

Try this:
$ gedit &
$ killall nautilus ; nautilus /usr/share/doc/fedora-release-17 &

Now, double-click the "GPL" file. A new gedit window should appear.

To allow you to resume your work afterwards, on another console, do:
$ sleep 15; killall gedit

Try to drag and drop the gedit tab "GPL" to the other gedit window.

Watch your mouse pointer freeze on drag mode, disabling it
effectively; keyboard does not seem to respond as well. After ~15
seconds, when gedit windows are killed, you'll get your mouse and
keyboard back.

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Re: GMA500 vs. G3 software render

2012-05-03 Thread Adam Pribyl

On Thu, 3 May 2012, Adam Jackson wrote:


On 5/3/12 7:36 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:

On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 13:21 +0200, Adam Pribyl wrote:

While I consider the latest development on gma500, present in many Atom
base netbooks, a great success and would like to say thank you to
developer(s),


When you say "latest development", what exactly are you referring to?



OK, your "latest development" is probably somewhere else, than mine, I 
meant F16-17 kernel psb->gma500 that made things work somehow out of the 
box.



I don't know if there's a plan to blacklist systems with sufficiently
'bad' CPU performance from using software rendering, or if ajax is of
the opinion that just about anything should be able to run Shell
acceptably via software rendering and if a system doesn't, there's a bug
that needs fixing...ajax, is there an overview here?


I don't currently have such a plan.  I could, I guess.

My personal opinion is that Core and up are pretty tolerable and 
anything less kind of isn't but also already kind of wasn't.  But I no 
longer really have any idea whether my threshold for acceptable 
interactivity matches that of anyone else.  Nor do I own any of the


This you will notice, as letters written on the screen via keyboard are
lagging behind what you type and gnome-shell is taking 100% cpu on any 
action.


non-free Intel kit - on the grounds of not rewarding Intel's duplicity - 
so I have no real idea what it's like there either.


So if we want to blacklist low performers, okay, that's a thing we can 
do I suppose.  Where do we draw the line?


I am not sure the blacklisting gets a wider support, thou just ideas:

1. if software render is enabled and CPU is less then Core 
(if you meant Intel Core) or AMD Athlon, use fallback.

2. ask testers during the test period and testdays to report
2a. measure difference between g3 sofware render and fallback (via 
x11perf?)
2b. check the cpu load caused by process ghome-shell during some simple 
action like window gnome-terminal switching is higher than 50% for some 
time?



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Re: GMA500 vs. G3 software render

2012-05-03 Thread Al Dunsmuir
On Thursday, May 3, 2012, 12:52:13 PM, Adam wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 10:05 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
>> So if we want to blacklist low performers, okay, that's a thing we can
>> do I suppose.  Where do we draw the line?

> 'anything Atom is slow as hell' would be an obvious win, I suspect. If
> your baseline of acceptable performance is 'Core and up', I think we can
> be pretty confident that Atom is not going to make it.

I personally believe that blacklisting based on CPU capacity is wrong.

Blacklisting  might  have the side effect of blocking future Atom CPUs
(perhaps  in  a  multi-CPU  configuration)  with  a better performance
story.  It  certainly  eliminates  any pressure to further improve the
code.

Perhaps  a  given  setup  it  may  be  slow,  but  blacklisting  is  a
non-configurable  and  arbitrary way to prevent users from making that
choice on their own.

I  am  personally  using  some  32-bit  Pentium  4 (desktop and laptop
systems. My hardware.  My choice.

Someone  who  has  a  reason  to use a given configuration may be more
motivated to be patient than a developer who is used to the latest and
greatest.



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Re: F17: gedit: drag & drop freezes forever mouse pointer on drag mode

2012-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 16:55 +0100, Pedro Francisco wrote:
> I need to confirm a bug.
> 
> Open one gedit window (MUST BE FROM GNOME-SHELL, either from ALT+F2
> and 'gedit' or using the gnome-shell menus).
> 
> On a command line do, for example:
> $ gedit ~/.bashrc
> _Another_ gedit window should open.
> 
> To allow you to resume your work afterwards, on another console, do:
> $ sleep 15; killall gedit
> 
> Try to drag and drop the ".bashrc" tab to the other gedit window.
> 
> Watch your mouse pointer freeze on drag mode, disabling it
> effectively; keyboard does not seem to respond as well. After ~15
> seconds, when gedit windows are killed, you'll get your mouse and
> keyboard back.
> 
> Can anyone confirm?

Not easily, no. For a start, I've never quite figured out the trigger
for the case where a new window opens instead of the document opening in
the existing window: for me just following the above steps doesn't do
it, the .bashrc opens in the first gedit window, so I don't get two
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Re: GMA500 vs. G3 software render

2012-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 10:05 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:

> So if we want to blacklist low performers, okay, that's a thing we can 
> do I suppose.  Where do we draw the line?

'anything Atom is slow as hell' would be an obvious win, I suspect. If
your baseline of acceptable performance is 'Core and up', I think we can
be pretty confident that Atom is not going to make it.
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Re: F17: Korganizer: tasks disappearing

2012-05-03 Thread Pedro Francisco
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Pedro Francisco
 wrote:
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Rex Dieter  wrote:
>> Pedro Francisco wrote:
>>
>>> Just an heads-up, on F17 Korganizer seems to forget tasks after exiting.


Forget it "Personal Calendar" was not checked on Calendar
view. Adding a ToDo item would add it to "Personal Calendar"'s Tasks
but on next start since it was not checked it would not show it.

Checking "Personal Calendar" on Calendar view will show the added ToDo items...

P.S.: this is an usability issue since by default "Personal Calendar"
is unchecked. Bug report with it? On KDE's or Fedora's bugtracker?

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Re: kdm vs. gdm

2012-05-03 Thread Pedro Francisco
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Rob Healey  wrote:
> Transaction Check Error:
>   file /var/spool/gdm from install of kde-settings-kdm-4.8-8.fc18.noarch
> conflicts with file from package gdm-1:3.4.1-1.fc18.x86_64
>
> I have never had a problem like this before...

Not sure but I'm hinting at packaging bug. If no-one else replies with
a better answer, file a bug.

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Re: GMA500 vs. G3 software render

2012-05-03 Thread Bodhi Zazen
Just thought I would weigh in on this issue ...

I use the gma500 and, yes g3 is a bit slow, but performance has been improving.

It is on my to do list to take one of the F17 daily spins for a test drive.

If you find g3 slow, use another window manager, but I sort of like G3 on my 
netbook ;)

In discussing the issue I think you need to be more specific , are you talking 
kernel ? The 3.4 kernel should be even better. Or are you talking llvmpipe ?



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From: "Adam Pribyl" 
To: test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 5:21:06 AM
Subject: GMA500 vs. G3 software render

While I consider the latest development on gma500, present in many Atom 
base netbooks, a great success and would like to say thank you to 
developer(s), G3 software render negates all this for gnome shell as this 
is extremely slow on Atom. With the fallback mode the G3 is working very 
well on gma500. But the obvious question is, beside the questionable 
future of acceleration on gma500 - what is the future of the fallback? Is 
there still a list of devices that should use fallback "by default"? If 
yes, then I would nominate the gma500 for it, as this is really horrible 
experience, making many users scared, just after live CD/USB boot.

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kdm vs. gdm

2012-05-03 Thread Rob Healey
Greetings:

I was trying to add some kde packages to my gnome desktop x86_64 system,
when I got this error:

Transaction Check Error:
  file /var/spool/gdm from install of kde-settings-kdm-4.8-8.fc18.noarch
conflicts with file from package gdm-1:3.4.1-1.fc18.x86_64

I have never had a problem like this before...

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Re: F17: Korganizer: tasks disappearing

2012-05-03 Thread Pedro Francisco
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Rex Dieter  wrote:
> Pedro Francisco wrote:
>
>> Just an heads-up, on F17 Korganizer seems to forget tasks after exiting.
>
> that's a hint that you have an akonadi resource that points to a non-
> existant target file/directory.
>
> you could try running
> akonadiconsole
> and in "Agents" tab, look for "Personal Calendar" resource, and see what it
> points to.  In general, it should point at something like:
> ~/.kde/share/apps/korganizer/std.ics
>
> Make sure that the target folder/file exists.
>

It does:
$ head -n2 /home/pedro/.kde/share/apps/korganizer/std.ics
BEGIN:VCALENDAR
PRODID:-//K Desktop Environment//NONSGML libkcal 4.3//EN

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F17: gedit: drag & drop freezes forever mouse pointer on drag mode

2012-05-03 Thread Pedro Francisco
I need to confirm a bug.

Open one gedit window (MUST BE FROM GNOME-SHELL, either from ALT+F2
and 'gedit' or using the gnome-shell menus).

On a command line do, for example:
$ gedit ~/.bashrc
_Another_ gedit window should open.

To allow you to resume your work afterwards, on another console, do:
$ sleep 15; killall gedit

Try to drag and drop the ".bashrc" tab to the other gedit window.

Watch your mouse pointer freeze on drag mode, disabling it
effectively; keyboard does not seem to respond as well. After ~15
seconds, when gedit windows are killed, you'll get your mouse and
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Re: OpenJDK update to J7u4 level?

2012-05-03 Thread Deepak Bhole
* Fernando Cassia  [2012-05-02 03:06]:
>Hi there,
>I hit a nasty bug with regards to OpenJDK 7 and GTK file requesters.
>Currently the Sun Bugparade datase is having hiccups and it cannot
>display bug reports (nevertheless it accepted my bug report and
>assigned it a bug#).
>Despite this, I think I may have found a "way too similar" bug report
>on Bugparade wrt OpenJDK and GTK file requesters that -while I cannot
>see its contents right now- might be exactly the bug I hit.
>It apparently has been fixed as per Java 7u4 by Oracle.
>My question is: what are the chances of getting OpenJDK 1.7.0 updated
>to the J7u4 level?.
>I did yum update java-1.7.0-openjdk* but it tells me there's nothing to
>update.
>This openjdk bug is a show stopper for me as it prevents one particular
>Java app I use daily from working. Clicking on any file on a GTK file
>requester gives me a thread null pointer exception.

Our tentative plan was to move to u4 for F17 and more F16 to u5 directly
in mid-june.

Is there a bug open for the issue you are seeing?

Deepak

>
>Exception in thread "Thread-7" java.lang.NullPointerException
>Â Â Â  at
>sun.awt.X11.GtkFileDialogPeer.setFileInternal(GtkFileDialogPeer.java:79
>)
>Â Â Â  at sun.awt.X11.GtkFileDialogPeer.run(Native Method)
>Â Â Â  at
>sun.awt.X11.GtkFileDialogPeer.showNativeDialog(GtkFileDialogPeer.java:1
>66)
>Â Â Â  at
>sun.awt.X11.GtkFileDialogPeer.access$000(GtkFileDialogPeer.java:39)
>Â Â Â  at
>sun.awt.X11.GtkFileDialogPeer$1.run(GtkFileDialogPeer.java:108)
>
>FC

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Re: F17: Korganizer: tasks disappearing

2012-05-03 Thread Rex Dieter
Pedro Francisco wrote:

> Just an heads-up, on F17 Korganizer seems to forget tasks after exiting.

that's a hint that you have an akonadi resource that points to a non-
existant target file/directory.

you could try running 
akonadiconsole
and in "Agents" tab, look for "Personal Calendar" resource, and see what it 
points to.  In general, it should point at something like: 
~/.kde/share/apps/korganizer/std.ics

Make sure that the target folder/file exists.

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Re: reboot hangs with systemd-44-7.fc17

2012-05-03 Thread Rex Dieter
Joachim Backes wrote:

> after updating to systemd-44-7.fc17 (and systemd-sysv-44-7.fc17),
> rebooting hangs up. Pushing the reset button is needed :-(

In my experience, it's delayed by ~2 minutes
 
> I had to downgrade systemd to get rid from this bug. 
> No such problems with the previous version. 
> Anybody sees this too?

Some related bugs:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816842
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=739836#c61

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Re: GMA500 vs. G3 software render

2012-05-03 Thread Adam Jackson

On 5/3/12 7:36 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:

On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 13:21 +0200, Adam Pribyl wrote:

While I consider the latest development on gma500, present in many Atom
base netbooks, a great success and would like to say thank you to
developer(s),


When you say "latest development", what exactly are you referring to?


G3 software render negates all this for gnome shell as this
is extremely slow on Atom. With the fallback mode the G3 is working very
well on gma500. But the obvious question is, beside the questionable
future of acceleration on gma500 - what is the future of the fallback? Is
there still a list of devices that should use fallback "by default"? If
yes, then I would nominate the gma500 for it, as this is really horrible
experience, making many users scared, just after live CD/USB boot.


At least some parts of upstream Gnome really want fallback to go away. 
They will probably get their way eventually.  You would be wise not to 
consider fallback mode a permanent thing.



Well, the problem there is that the determining factor in how fast
software rendering is is, obviously, not the graphics card - the whole
point of software rendering is to *bypass* the graphics card - but the
CPU.


It's slightly more complicated than that, but, sure.


I don't know if there's a plan to blacklist systems with sufficiently
'bad' CPU performance from using software rendering, or if ajax is of
the opinion that just about anything should be able to run Shell
acceptably via software rendering and if a system doesn't, there's a bug
that needs fixing...ajax, is there an overview here?


I don't currently have such a plan.  I could, I guess.

My personal opinion is that Core and up are pretty tolerable and 
anything less kind of isn't but also already kind of wasn't.  But I no 
longer really have any idea whether my threshold for acceptable 
interactivity matches that of anyone else.  Nor do I own any of the 
non-free Intel kit - on the grounds of not rewarding Intel's duplicity - 
so I have no real idea what it's like there either.


So if we want to blacklist low performers, okay, that's a thing we can 
do I suppose.  Where do we draw the line?


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Re: F17-Selinux troubles after upgrading

2012-05-03 Thread Daniel J Walsh
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On 05/02/2012 06:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 16:24 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>> On 05/02/2012 04:22 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2012-04-28 at 20:30 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
 On 28/04/12 20:26, antonio wrote:
> I upgraded from F-16 to F-17 Beta, then upgraded to find that I 
> couldn't delete my own files!!! after disabling Selinux and
> enabling it again (i.e. relabeling) everything is o.k.Anybody
> experiencing it??
 
 No, but it's good practice to do a relabel after an update. As
 policies most likely have changed, even if subtly.
 
 I'm surprised a full relabel wasn't done automatically.
>>> 
>>> Antonio doesn't really provide much detail on how exactly he upgraded.
>>> I think anaconda-based upgrades do a relabel automatically, but
>>> obviously upgrading via yum won't necessarily do so.
>> 
>> We have not done a full relabel on upgrade,since it could take
>> potentially a very long time.  We could just drop the /.autorelabel file
>> in preupgrade which would trigger the relabel.  I have not heard of other
>> people having SELinux labeling issues on upgrade, I wish we had the
>> audit.log to see what the problem was.
> 
> Well, I didn't say 'full relabel' =) But indeed I was vague. IIRC, anaconda
> relabels some specific directories.

Yes it fixes up any files/directories that are created by anaconda before
SELinux policy is loaded.
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Re: F17-Selinux troubles after upgrading

2012-05-03 Thread Daniel J Walsh
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On 05/02/2012 05:08 PM, antonio montagnani wrote:
> Il 02/05/2012 22:54, Daniel J Walsh ha scritto: On 05/02/2012 04:35 PM,
> antonio montagnani wrote:
 Il 02/05/2012 22:24, Daniel J Walsh ha scritto: On 05/02/2012 04:22
 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2012-04-28 at 20:30 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
 On 28/04/12 20:26, antonio wrote:
> I upgraded from F-16 to F-17 Beta, then upgraded to find
> that I couldn't delete my own files!!! after disabling
> Selinux and enabling it again (i.e. relabeling) everything
> is o.k.Anybody experiencing it??
 
 No, but it's good practice to do a relabel after an update.
 As policies most likely have changed, even if subtly.
 
 I'm surprised a full relabel wasn't done automatically.
>>> 
>>> Antonio doesn't really provide much detail on how exactly he 
>>> upgraded. I think anaconda-based upgrades do a relabel
>>> automatically, but obviously upgrading via yum won't
>>> necessarily do so.
 
 We have not done a full relabel on upgrade,since it could take
 potentially a very long time.  We could just drop the /.autorelabel
 file in preupgrade which would trigger the relabel.  I have not heard
 of other people having SELinux labeling issues on upgrade, I wish we
 had the audit.log to see what the problem was. Dan,
 
 where do I find the audit.log file???
 
 Tnx
 
> 
> /var/log/audit/audit.log
> 
> ausearch -m avc
> 
> Will extract the parts I care about
> 
>> ausearch -m avc  time->Sat Apr 14 18:01:38 2012 type=SYSCALL
>> msg=audit(1334419298.900:159): arch=4003 syscall=11 success=yes
>> exit=0 a0=8aee390 a1=8aee400 a2=8aed980 a3=8aed980 items=0 ppid=20996
>> pid=20997 auid=1000 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=51 sgid=51
>> fsgid=51 tty=pts0 ses=2 comm="newaliases" 
>> exe="/usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail" 
>> subj=unconfined_u:system_r:system_mail_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 key=(null) 
>> type=AVC msg=audit(1334419298.900:159): avc:  denied  { read } for
>> pid=20997 comm="newaliases" path="/home/antonio" dev=dm-2 ino=1048577 
>> scontext=unconfined_u:system_r:system_mail_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 
>> tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:user_home_dir_t:s0 tclass=dir type=AVC
>> msg=audit(1334419298.900:159): avc:  denied  { read } for  pid=20997 
>> comm="newaliases" path="/home/antonio" dev=dm-2 ino=1048577 
>> scontext=unconfined_u:system_r:system_mail_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 
>> tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:user_home_dir_t:s0 tclass=dir  
>> time->Thu Apr 19 18:35:45 2012 type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1334853345.590:66):
>> arch=4003 syscall=5 success=no exit=-13 a0=81159d0 a1=8000 a2=0 a3=0
>> items=0 ppid=1 pid=1845 auid=4294967295 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0
>> egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=(none) ses=4294967295 comm="NetworkManager"
>> exe="/usr/sbin/NetworkManager" subj=system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0
>> key=(null) type=AVC msg=audit(1334853345.590:66): avc:  denied  { read }
>> for  pid=1845 comm="NetworkManager" name="sysctl.conf" dev="dm-1"
>> ino=525148 scontext=system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 
>> tcontext=system_u:object_r:system_conf_t:s0 tclass=file  time->Thu
>> Apr 19 18:39:05 2012 type=AVC msg=audit(1334853545.115:41): avc:  denied
>> { read } for  pid=892 comm="NetworkManager" name="sysctl.conf" dev="dm-1"
>> ino=525148 scontext=system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 
>> tcontext=system_u:object_r:system_conf_t:s0 tclass=file  time->Thu
>> Apr 19 21:40:30 2012 type=AVC msg=audit(1334864430.369:41): avc:  denied
>> { read } for  pid=902 comm="NetworkManager" name="sysctl.conf" dev="dm-1"
>> ino=525148 scontext=system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 
>> tcontext=system_u:object_r:system_conf_t:s0 tclass=file  time->Fri
>> Apr 20 07:02:19 2012 type=AVC msg=audit(1334898139.025:41): avc:  denied
>> { read } for  pid=921 comm="NetworkManager" name="sysctl.conf" dev="dm-1"
>> ino=525148 scontext=system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 
>> tcontext=system_u:object_r:system_conf_t:s0 tclass=file  time->Fri
>> Apr 20 18:11:40 2012 type=AVC msg=audit(1334938300.294:43): avc:  denied
>> { read } for  pid=886 comm="NetworkManager" name="sysctl.conf" dev="dm-1"
>> ino=525148 scontext=system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 
>> tcontext=system_u:object_r:system_conf_t:s0 tclass=file  time->Fri
>> Apr 20 22:49:42 2012 type=AVC msg=audit(1334954982.484:40): avc:  denied
>> { read } for  pid=928 comm="NetworkManager" name="sysctl.conf" dev="dm-1"
>> ino=525148 scontext=system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 
>> tcontext=system_u:object_r:system_conf_t:s0 tclass=file  time->Sat
>> Apr 21 07:31:25 2012 type=AVC msg=audit(1334986285.449:40): avc:  denied
>> { read } for  pid=880 comm="NetworkManager" name="sysctl.conf" dev="dm-1"
>> ino=525148 scontext=system_u:system_r:NetworkManager_t:s0 
>> tcontext=system_u:object_r:system_conf_t:s0 tclass=file  tim

Re: GIMP 2.8

2012-05-03 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 03 May 2012 07:49:28 -0400
Jonathan Kamens wrote:

> The developer in question is perfectly happy with the idea that by 
> remaining true to its "vision," GIMP is going to drive away many users.

Just another example of the Vogon Effect...

http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/game/rules-change.html
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Re: GIMP 2.8

2012-05-03 Thread Jonathan Kamens
So, I took my concerns over to the gimp-user mailing list, where 
apparently this issue has been argued over a number of times.


According to the developer who designed and implemented this change, 
GIMP has a "vision" for what it wants to be and a "target audience" of 
intended users, and people like me who find the new interface to be 
awful "are probably not a targeted GIMP user."


The purpose of the new change was explained during the thread. Several 
alternative methods of accomplishing the same purpose without breaking 
any existing use cases were described. To every one of them, the 
developer responded that those methods either weren't in accord with the 
"vision" of the application or would interfere with unspecified 
functionality to be implemented later.


The developer in question is perfectly happy with the idea that by 
remaining true to its "vision," GIMP is going to drive away many users.


As for alternatives, krita (the RPM is "calligra-krita") and pinta, both 
of which are available in Fedora, were suggested for people who just 
aren't professional enough to grok the One True GIMP Way.


  jik

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Re: GMA500 vs. G3 software render

2012-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 13:21 +0200, Adam Pribyl wrote:
> While I consider the latest development on gma500, present in many Atom 
> base netbooks, a great success and would like to say thank you to 
> developer(s), G3 software render negates all this for gnome shell as this 
> is extremely slow on Atom. With the fallback mode the G3 is working very 
> well on gma500. But the obvious question is, beside the questionable 
> future of acceleration on gma500 - what is the future of the fallback? Is 
> there still a list of devices that should use fallback "by default"? If 
> yes, then I would nominate the gma500 for it, as this is really horrible 
> experience, making many users scared, just after live CD/USB boot.

Well, the problem there is that the determining factor in how fast
software rendering is is, obviously, not the graphics card - the whole
point of software rendering is to *bypass* the graphics card - but the
CPU. We can't blacklist systems from using software rendering on the
basis that their graphics cards are slow, that's kind of missing the
point.

I don't know if there's a plan to blacklist systems with sufficiently
'bad' CPU performance from using software rendering, or if ajax is of
the opinion that just about anything should be able to run Shell
acceptably via software rendering and if a system doesn't, there's a bug
that needs fixing...ajax, is there an overview here?
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Re: systemd-44-8.fc17 together with most recent F17 updates lets the reboot problem grow (BZ 816842)

2012-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 08:07 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote:
> After having installed systemd-44-8.fc17 *and* applying the most recent
> F17 updates (includes a *glibc* update) , the reboot problem has
> deteriorated:
> 
> 1) Even going from runlevel 5 into runlevel 3 and then rebooting (was
> previously a workaround) no more helps.
> 
> 2) Booting directly into to runlevel 3 and the trying to reboot now
> shows the delay too!

Why not just post this in the bug? We have bug reports to discuss known
and under-active-development bugs. I can't see why it helps anyone to
split discussion between the bug report and the mailing list.
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Re: RAID install proposed blocker

2012-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 22:21 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > /boot on RAID was, for a long time, considered a problematic
> > configuration and is explicitly excepted from the release criteria. I
> > believe the anaconda team's attitude towards this configuration is
> > becoming somewhat more liberal, though, so we may have to re-consider
> > the criterion.
> 
> That part of the criterion was pointed out, so I tried the install again with 
> /boot being non-raid and it still had the same problem.  I managed to do a 
> workaround, so it's now running the way I originally wanted it (/ on raid).
> 
> Anaconda lets you make that configuration, the bootloader supports it, and it 
> works (other than that one bug), so it seems that that part of the criterion 
> may 
> be outdated now.

The above three things have often been true in the past, but whenever
anyone hit problems and filed a bug, the anaconda devs would usually say
'well, we don't really support /boot on RAID'. The criterion exception
was added at their request, even though all the things you mention were
true at that time.
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GMA500 vs. G3 software render

2012-05-03 Thread Adam Pribyl
While I consider the latest development on gma500, present in many Atom 
base netbooks, a great success and would like to say thank you to 
developer(s), G3 software render negates all this for gnome shell as this 
is extremely slow on Atom. With the fallback mode the G3 is working very 
well on gma500. But the obvious question is, beside the questionable 
future of acceleration on gma500 - what is the future of the fallback? Is 
there still a list of devices that should use fallback "by default"? If 
yes, then I would nominate the gma500 for it, as this is really horrible 
experience, making many users scared, just after live CD/USB boot.


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Re: Testing of f17 TC2 in USB

2012-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 21:30 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> On 05/02/2012 06:57 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> > The image boots and installation (with *defaults*) begins. It gets to 
> > 160 packages of 1212 and errors on perl.
> >
> > "A unpack error occurred when installing the perl package..."
> 
> I burned the image to a real DVD and installation succeeded.
> 
> My guess is that my USB stick is bad.

That would be my guess too. Do you have another you can test with?
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Re: GIMP 2.8

2012-05-03 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 12:31 +0200, Karel Volný wrote:
> Dne St 2. května 2012 23:53:36, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
> > GIMP is a professional image editing suite, just like
> > Photoshop. It's not a basic touch-up tool. It doesn't really
> > make sense to criticise it on the basis that you want to use
> > it for something it's not really designed to do.
> 
> and which tool are we supposed to use?

Even if the answer were 'there isn't one', that's not GIMP's fault. The
GIMP authors want to write a professional photo editor. If no-one wants
to write a simple touch-up tool, that's hardly the GIMP authors' fault,
is it?

> so far, Shotwell and Digikam were proposed
> 
> but these aren't "basic touch-up tools" either:
> Shotwell - A photo organizer for the GNOME desktop
> digiKam - A digital camera accessing & photo management 
> application

And we all know summary lines are always kept carefully up to date and
fully accurate and contain a complete description of all the app's
functionality in their 80 characters or less! (email really needs
a :rolleyes: emoticon).

It's really not difficult to actually _run_ either app and have a look
at what it can do. Shotwell has some pretty basic editing tools - more
'enhancement' than editing - but Digikam has some pretty advanced
functionality these days. See
http://docs.kde.org/development/en/extragear-graphics/digikam/image-editor.html 
, for a quick indication of what it can do.
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F-17 Branched report: 20120503 changes

2012-05-03 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Thu May  3 08:15:05 UTC 2012

Broken deps for x86_64
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openvrml-javascript-0.18.8-2.fc16.x86_64 requires 
libboost_filesystem-

Re: GIMP 2.8

2012-05-03 Thread Karel Volný
Dne St 2. května 2012 23:53:36, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
> GIMP is a professional image editing suite, just like
> Photoshop. It's not a basic touch-up tool. It doesn't really
> make sense to criticise it on the basis that you want to use
> it for something it's not really designed to do.

and which tool are we supposed to use?

so far, Shotwell and Digikam were proposed

but these aren't "basic touch-up tools" either:
Shotwell - A photo organizer for the GNOME desktop
digiKam - A digital camera accessing & photo management
application

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Re: Testing Needed for F17 Final Blockers

2012-05-03 Thread Adam Pribyl

On Tue, 1 May 2012, Tim Flink wrote:


I just went through the sizable list of F17 final blockers and found a
bunch of things that need to be tested. If you have some spare cycles
and/or are looking for stuff to test - please take a look at the bugs
and suggested tests below.

Thanks,

Tim


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=740280
 - test liveusb w/ persistent overlay
 - if the persistant overlay works, this can probably be closed


If making an live USB with liveusb-creator with overlay then booting the 
LiveUSB making a file, then rebooting and checking the file is present is 
the desired test, that it works with TC2.


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Re: dependency problems: samba4-client-4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17.i686 from updates-testing

2012-05-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 2 May 2012 18:38:21 -0700 (PDT), AO (Antonio) wrote:

> Dear folks,
> 
> for a good while now, I have kept getting the following every time I yum 
> update :
> 

If you run updates-testing, you may need to run "yum distro-sync" from
time to time.

The reason for that is simple. Test Updates are withdrawn because they are
broken. They are not available in the repos anymore, but it could be that
you've installed them or updated to them already.  Often, broken test
updates are replaced with a newer release, which would replace your
installed packages. However, some test updates are not replaced, at least
not too soon. And even if a newer test update replaces an earlier broken
one, it could be that it doesn't even try to fix temporary packaging
issues.

> Resolving Dependencies
> --> Running transaction check
> ---> Package samba4-client.i686 1:4.0.0-41alpha18.fc17 will be updated
> ---> Package samba4-client.i686 1:4.0.0-45alpha18.fc17 will be an update
> ---> Package samba4-common.i686 1:4.0.0-41alpha18.fc17 will be updated
> --> Processing Dependency: samba4-common = 1:4.0.0-41alpha18.fc17 for 
> package: 1:libsmbclient-4.0.0-41alpha18.fc17.i686
>

The -41alpha18.fc17 release has been trouble-some. It could not be
installed here with an ordinary F-17 Beta installation "yum update".

> I don't see in the reports that the package(s) are broken, is the 
> updates-testing repo here conflicting with official pre 17 release repo?
> 

The existing broken deps reports only search for dependency problems in
the current repository contents. Typically, that is unable to catch all
kinds of upgrade issues as older package releases are not in the repos
anymore.

> Any thoughts of what I should do to resolve this?

Try "yum distro-sync".

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Re: Weird Firefox performance issue

2012-05-03 Thread Matej Cepl

On 3.5.2012 00:31, Jonathan Kamens wrote:

Frequent hangs for anywhere from a second to 30 seconds. Lack of
responsiveness to key and button presses. Delays from when I clicked
a scroll bar and dragged it to when the window actually scrolled.
Frequent long delays from when an external app tried to launch a page
to when the tab actually opened.


Is there anything interesting about your setup (e.g., $HOME on NFS, 
NTFS, or some other kind of non-obvious configuration)?


Matěj
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