2012-11-05 through 2013-01-28 - Fedora QA Meetings - recaps

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson 
As always, minutes and IRC transcripts available on the wiki at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20121105
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20121112
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20121119
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20121126
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20121203
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20121210
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20121217
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130107
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20130128

Next meeting is scheduled for 2013-02-04 at 1600 UTC in 
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TOPIC: EVERYTHING
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* Hoo boy, a whole buncha stuff happened!

Yeah, it took me two days to finally catch up with wiki noting the last
three months of meetings: I'm damned if I'm also writing them all into
this email. Please read the wiki pages. :)

I'll get back to normal service starting from Monday's meeting. I
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Re: F18: when closing the lid, pm/sleep.d hooks not being run

2013-01-31 Thread Michal Jaegermann 
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 04:37:59PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> 
> OK, I just want to make double triple sure: you guys are not going to
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=690713 , right? This is not
> an RH bug we're talking about. The URL is
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690713 .

Do not mind me.  It is pretty clear that I do not know how to read and
Adam is here correct.

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Re: F18: when closing the lid, pm/sleep.d hooks not being run

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson 
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 18:16 -0600, John Morris wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 16:04 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 17:45 -0600, John Morris wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 15:46 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:04:12PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> > > > > Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > > > > > "You are not authorized to access bug #690713."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, that does not help very much unless you happen to be 
> > > > > > "authorized".
> > > > > 
> > > > > I can see the bug just fine. Have you tried logging in?
> > > > 
> > > > Good for you but I am logged in on bugzilla; right now.
> > > > 
> > > > > Maybe you are banned?
> > > > 
> > > > Not on many other bugs but somehow on this one.
> > > > 
> > > >M.
> > > It is a bug that has security implications or also applies to RHEL and
> > > was created by a paying customer who requested privacy.  Nothing you can
> > > do about it.
> > 
> > This is a BGO bug, not an RH one. I can see it fine myself and can't see
> > any visibility restrictions on it, so it's odd that Michael can't.
> 
> I'm a 'normal' and I get the same message in a big red box when I try to
> look at that BZ number.  It's locked.

OK, I just want to make double triple sure: you guys are not going to
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=690713 , right? This is not
an RH bug we're talking about. The URL is
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690713 .
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Re: F18: when closing the lid, pm/sleep.d hooks not being run

2013-01-31 Thread Jeffrey Ollie 
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 6:16 PM, John Morris  wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 16:04 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 17:45 -0600, John Morris wrote:
>> > On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 15:46 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
>> > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:04:12PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
>> > > > Michal Jaegermann wrote:
>> > > > > "You are not authorized to access bug #690713."
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Well, that does not help very much unless you happen to be 
>> > > > > "authorized".
>> > > >
>> > > > I can see the bug just fine. Have you tried logging in?
>> > >
>> > > Good for you but I am logged in on bugzilla; right now.
>> > >
>> > > > Maybe you are banned?
>> > >
>> > > Not on many other bugs but somehow on this one.
>> > >
>> > >M.
>> > It is a bug that has security implications or also applies to RHEL and
>> > was created by a paying customer who requested privacy.  Nothing you can
>> > do about it.
>>
>> This is a BGO bug, not an RH one. I can see it fine myself and can't see
>> any visibility restrictions on it, so it's odd that Michael can't.
>
> I'm a 'normal' and I get the same message in a big red box when I try to
> look at that BZ number.  It's locked.

Whose bugzilla instance are you looking at?  RedHat or Gnome?  The
RedHat bug with that bug number is indeed locked, but is THE WRONG
BUGZILLA INSTANCE.  The correct URL (which was explicitly listed
above, but has been cut off in subsequent replies) is:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690713

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Re: F18: when closing the lid, pm/sleep.d hooks not being run

2013-01-31 Thread John Morris 
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 16:04 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 17:45 -0600, John Morris wrote:
> > On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 15:46 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:04:12PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> > > > Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > > > > "You are not authorized to access bug #690713."
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, that does not help very much unless you happen to be 
> > > > > "authorized".
> > > > 
> > > > I can see the bug just fine. Have you tried logging in?
> > > 
> > > Good for you but I am logged in on bugzilla; right now.
> > > 
> > > > Maybe you are banned?
> > > 
> > > Not on many other bugs but somehow on this one.
> > > 
> > >M.
> > It is a bug that has security implications or also applies to RHEL and
> > was created by a paying customer who requested privacy.  Nothing you can
> > do about it.
> 
> This is a BGO bug, not an RH one. I can see it fine myself and can't see
> any visibility restrictions on it, so it's odd that Michael can't.

I'm a 'normal' and I get the same message in a big red box when I try to
look at that BZ number.  It's locked.


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Re: F18: when closing the lid, pm/sleep.d hooks not being run

2013-01-31 Thread Adam Williamson 
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 17:45 -0600, John Morris wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 15:46 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:04:12PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> > > Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > > > "You are not authorized to access bug #690713."
> > > >
> > > > Well, that does not help very much unless you happen to be "authorized".
> > > 
> > > I can see the bug just fine. Have you tried logging in?
> > 
> > Good for you but I am logged in on bugzilla; right now.
> > 
> > > Maybe you are banned?
> > 
> > Not on many other bugs but somehow on this one.
> > 
> >M.
> It is a bug that has security implications or also applies to RHEL and
> was created by a paying customer who requested privacy.  Nothing you can
> do about it.

This is a BGO bug, not an RH one. I can see it fine myself and can't see
any visibility restrictions on it, so it's odd that Michael can't.
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Re: F18: when closing the lid, pm/sleep.d hooks not being run

2013-01-31 Thread John Morris 
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 15:46 -0700, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:04:12PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> > Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > > "You are not authorized to access bug #690713."
> > >
> > > Well, that does not help very much unless you happen to be "authorized".
> > 
> > I can see the bug just fine. Have you tried logging in?
> 
> Good for you but I am logged in on bugzilla; right now.
> 
> > Maybe you are banned?
> 
> Not on many other bugs but somehow on this one.
> 
>M.
It is a bug that has security implications or also applies to RHEL and
was created by a paying customer who requested privacy.  Nothing you can
do about it.


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Re: F18: when closing the lid, pm/sleep.d hooks not being run

2013-01-31 Thread Michal Jaegermann 
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:04:12PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > "You are not authorized to access bug #690713."
> >
> > Well, that does not help very much unless you happen to be "authorized".
> 
> I can see the bug just fine. Have you tried logging in?

Good for you but I am logged in on bugzilla; right now.

> Maybe you are banned?

Not on many other bugs but somehow on this one.

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Re: F18: when closing the lid, pm/sleep.d hooks not being run

2013-01-31 Thread Matthias Clasen 

- Original Message -
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 08:44:39AM -0500, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > > 
> > > 1) can anyone else verify?
> > > 2) is this a bug? Or a feature?
> > 
> > It's this:
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690713
> 
> "You are not authorized to access bug #690713."
> 
> Well, that does not help very much unless you happen to be
> "authorized".
> 
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58950
> 
> That is better but it reads like "we are sorry but this will remain
> broken until _other_ applications will get fixed" if I understand
> responses correctly.

If there is anything to fix here, it is that we need a suitable signal from the 
kernel - until then, there will be various user-space mechanisms that all have 
their own about-to-suspend and resume signals:
* pm-utils scripts get called if you use pm-suspend
* upowers NotifySleep signal is emitted if you use upower to suspend
* loginds PrepareForSleep signal is emitted if you use logind

What has changed in f18 is that GNOME components (gnome-settings-daemon, 
gnome-shell) are now using logind, because it offers features that we want 
(inhibitors and delay inhibitors). upower has also been changed to use logind, 
and NetworkManager is listening for PrepareForSleep. 

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Re: F18: when closing the lid, pm/sleep.d hooks not being run

2013-01-31 Thread Michael Cronenworth 
Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> "You are not authorized to access bug #690713."
>
> Well, that does not help very much unless you happen to be "authorized".

I can see the bug just fine. Have you tried logging in? Maybe you are
banned?
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Re: F18: when closing the lid, pm/sleep.d hooks not being run

2013-01-31 Thread Michal Jaegermann 
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 08:44:39AM -0500, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > 
> > 1) can anyone else verify?
> > 2) is this a bug? Or a feature?
> 
> It's this:
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690713

"You are not authorized to access bug #690713."

Well, that does not help very much unless you happen to be "authorized".

> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58950

That is better but it reads like "we are sorry but this will remain
broken until _other_ applications will get fixed" if I understand
responses correctly.

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Re: F18: when closing the lid, pm/sleep.d hooks not being run

2013-01-31 Thread Kamil Paral 
> /etc/pm/sleep.d/* hooks are not being run when closing the lid.
> 
> For example, I just resumed my laptop and a script on
> /etc/pm/sleep.d/
> which just logs each time it gets called has not been called.
> 
> They seem to run when I select "suspend" from the menu.
> 
> 1) can anyone else verify?
> 2) is this a bug? Or a feature?

It's this:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690713

and this:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58950

Probably not a bug from developer perspective. But the current situation is a 
mess, that's true.
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Re: Telnetd broken

2013-01-31 Thread Ed Greshko 
On 01/31/2013 07:08 PM, drago01 wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Karel Volný  wrote:
>> Dne Čt 31. ledna 2013 18:32:57, Ed Greshko napsal(a):
>>> On 01/31/2013 06:15 PM, drago01 wrote:
 Yes there are usecases for telnet, the OP one isn't.
>>> How do you know?  As far as I can tell from the thread, no one asked and he
>>> didn't state.
>> from the original question:
>>
>> "Trying 192.168.1.15..."
>>
>> ... that doesn't look like in a public Internet address block ;-)
>  telnet omen.com
> Trying 70.89.176.169...
> Connected to omen.com.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> Fedora release 18 (Spherical Cow)
> Kernel 3.7.4-204.fc18.x86_64 on an x86_64 (9)
> men login:
>
>  looks very public to me ;)

Well, you took the extra effort to see if his host was exposed.  Yet, that 
doesn't give insight to his case for needing it. 

I suppose I approach things a bit differently.  In the case where I would see a 
person has exposed their system to a vulnerability I would ask them if they 
knew that to be the case and go from there. 

In any event, a package supplied with fedora "should" work and clearly telnet 
service doesn't.  FWIW, the problem seems not to be in telnetd but actually in 
/usr/bin/login.

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Re: Telnetd broken

2013-01-31 Thread Brendan Jones 

On 01/31/2013 12:08 PM, drago01 wrote:

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Karel Volný  wrote:

Dne Čt 31. ledna 2013 18:32:57, Ed Greshko napsal(a):

On 01/31/2013 06:15 PM, drago01 wrote:

Yes there are usecases for telnet, the OP one isn't.


How do you know?  As far as I can tell from the thread, no one asked and he
didn't state.


from the original question:

"Trying 192.168.1.15..."

... that doesn't look like in a public Internet address block ;-)


  telnet omen.com
Trying 70.89.176.169...
Connected to omen.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
Fedora release 18 (Spherical Cow)
Kernel 3.7.4-204.fc18.x86_64 on an x86_64 (9)
men login:

 looks very public to me ;)


ouch.

I use telnet everyday, but none of these ports are internet facing.
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Re: Telnetd broken

2013-01-31 Thread drago01 
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Karel Volný  wrote:
> Dne Čt 31. ledna 2013 18:32:57, Ed Greshko napsal(a):
>> On 01/31/2013 06:15 PM, drago01 wrote:
>> > Yes there are usecases for telnet, the OP one isn't.
>>
>> How do you know?  As far as I can tell from the thread, no one asked and he
>> didn't state.
>
> from the original question:
>
> "Trying 192.168.1.15..."
>
> ... that doesn't look like in a public Internet address block ;-)

 telnet omen.com
Trying 70.89.176.169...
Connected to omen.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
Fedora release 18 (Spherical Cow)
Kernel 3.7.4-204.fc18.x86_64 on an x86_64 (9)
men login:

 looks very public to me ;)
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Re: Telnetd broken

2013-01-31 Thread Karel Volný 
Dne Čt 31. ledna 2013 18:32:57, Ed Greshko napsal(a):
> On 01/31/2013 06:15 PM, drago01 wrote:
> > Yes there are usecases for telnet, the OP one isn't.
> 
> How do you know?  As far as I can tell from the thread, no one asked and he
> didn't state.

from the original question:

"Trying 192.168.1.15..."

... that doesn't look like in a public Internet address block ;-)

K.

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F18: when closing the lid, pm/sleep.d hooks not being run

2013-01-31 Thread Pedro Francisco 
/etc/pm/sleep.d/* hooks are not being run when closing the lid.

For example, I just resumed my laptop and a script on /etc/pm/sleep.d/
which just logs each time it gets called has not been called.

They seem to run when I select "suspend" from the menu.

1) can anyone else verify?
2) is this a bug? Or a feature?

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Re: [Fedora QA] #325: Update sync fails if update title is too long

2013-01-31 Thread Fedora QA 
#325: Update sync fails if update title is too long
---+---
  Reporter:  tflink|  Owner:  mkrizek
  Type:  defect| Status:  new
  Priority:  minor |  Milestone:  Fedora 18
 Component:  Blocker bug tracker page  |Version:  1.0
Resolution:|   Keywords:
Blocked By:|   Blocking:
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Changes (by mkrizek):

 * owner:  tflink => mkrizek


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Re: [Fedora QA] #330: Blocker Components are not updated when bug is reassigned

2013-01-31 Thread Fedora QA 
#330: Blocker Components are not updated when bug is reassigned
---+-
  Reporter:  tflink|  Owner:  mkrizek
  Type:  defect| Status:  new
  Priority:  major |  Milestone:
 Component:  Blocker bug tracker page  |Version:
Resolution:|   Keywords:
Blocked By:|   Blocking:
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 * owner:  tflink => mkrizek


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Re: Telnetd broken

2013-01-31 Thread Ed Greshko 
On 01/31/2013 06:15 PM, drago01 wrote:
> Yes there are usecases for telnet, the OP one isn't.

How do you know?  As far as I can tell from the thread, no one asked and he 
didn't state.

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Re: Telnetd broken

2013-01-31 Thread drago01 
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Karel Volný  wrote:
> Dne St 30. ledna 2013 10:03:57, drago01 napsal(a):
>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:31 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > The telnet service in Fedora 18 and Rawhide is broken.
>>
>> > Here is output from telnet(1) on f18 calling a machine running Rawhide:
>> Do yourself a favor and use ssh instead.
>
> do us a favor and refrain from such comments next time :-)
>
> we (RHEL QA) also have an use case for telnet, despite the fact that for day
> to day work everyone uses ssh (with keys) since the year dot

Using telnet over the internet is just not a good idea. PERIOD.

Yes there are usecases for telnet, the OP one isn't.
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Re: Telnetd broken

2013-01-31 Thread Karel Volný 
Dne St 30. ledna 2013 10:03:57, drago01 napsal(a):
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:31 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
> 
>  wrote:
> > The telnet service in Fedora 18 and Rawhide is broken.
> 
> > Here is output from telnet(1) on f18 calling a machine running Rawhide:
> Do yourself a favor and use ssh instead.

do us a favor and refrain from such comments next time :-)

we (RHEL QA) also have an use case for telnet, despite the fact that for day 
to day work everyone uses ssh (with keys) since the year dot

K.

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