Re: F20-rc3, gnome-shell logoff?

2013-09-20 Thread John Morris 
On Thu, 2013-09-19 at 11:02 +1000, Ankur Sinha wrote:

> If there's only one user, the log out option doesn't appear and you need
> to run "gnome-session-quit" in the "alt f2" command dialog to log out.

Ok, clever idea.  Just wondering what kind of thought went into this
though.  I can't count the times I have been ordered to 'logout and back
on' after a round of updates.  Reboot?  Every year Windows is getting a
little better and we are getting a little more like it... too bad we are
taking the bad ideas about as often as the good ones.


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Re: F20-rc3, gnome-shell logoff?

2013-09-20 Thread Adam Williamson 
On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 12:35 -0400, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
> On 09/20/2013 11:54 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 00:56 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >
> >> It was changed because people complained about having their name visible
> >> in public places where they might not want it to be.
> >> -- 
> > Thats one reason. Another one is that it tends to be too big - e.g. if
> > your name is Williamson...
> >
> On the other hand, I sometimes use different identities for different 
> functions and find it useful to be able to glance up to the upper right 
> corner and see what identity I am.  I can understand the identity being 
> non-visible by default but it would be handy if there was still the 
> option instead of the silly shutdown symbol.

Well, there is. Someone already posted the option about five posts ago.
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Re: F20-rc3, gnome-shell logoff?

2013-09-20 Thread Adam Williamson 
On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 11:54 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 00:56 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> 
> > It was changed because people complained about having their name visible
> > in public places where they might not want it to be.
> > -- 
> 
> Thats one reason. Another one is that it tends to be too big - e.g. if
> your name is Williamson...

Never had a problem with it. I know the designers seem to be incredibly
eager to keep a huge sea of black space in the panel for no apparent
reason, but in practical terms, I've always had plenty of space on all
the systems I've run Shell on.
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Re: F20-rc3, gnome-shell logoff?

2013-09-20 Thread Gene Czarcinski 

On 09/20/2013 11:54 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:

On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 00:56 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:


It was changed because people complained about having their name visible
in public places where they might not want it to be.
--

Thats one reason. Another one is that it tends to be too big - e.g. if
your name is Williamson...

On the other hand, I sometimes use different identities for different 
functions and find it useful to be able to glance up to the upper right 
corner and see what identity I am.  I can understand the identity being 
non-visible by default but it would be handy if there was still the 
option instead of the silly shutdown symbol.


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Re: F20-rc3, gnome-shell logoff?

2013-09-20 Thread Matthias Clasen 
On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 00:56 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:

> It was changed because people complained about having their name visible
> in public places where they might not want it to be.
> -- 

Thats one reason. Another one is that it tends to be too big - e.g. if
your name is Williamson...

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Re: [Fedora QA] #409: Fedora 20 i18n Test Day

2013-09-20 Thread Fedora QA 
#409: Fedora 20 i18n Test Day
---+---
  Reporter:  aalam |  Owner:
  Type:  task  | Status:  new
  Priority:  major |  Milestone:  Fedora 20
 Component:  Test Day  |Version:
Resolution:|   Keywords:
Blocked By:|   Blocking:
---+---

Comment (by roshi):

 Would it be possible to move this day to 2013-10-29 to avoid a conflict
 with the Graphics Test week?

 Thanks!

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Re: [Fedora QA] #406: Graphics Test Week

2013-09-20 Thread Fedora QA 
#406: Graphics Test Week
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  Reporter:  martix|  Owner:
  Type:  task  | Status:  new
  Priority:  major |  Milestone:  Fedora 20
 Component:  Test Day  |Version:
Resolution:|   Keywords:
Blocked By:|   Blocking:
---+---

Comment (by roshi):

 Sure, you can have 2013-10-29. I'll update the calendar and the wiki.

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Re: Question: What are Fedora 20 test days business hours in Europe

2013-09-20 Thread Karel Volný 


Hi,

I'll try to organize a few people locally in Sofia to 
participate in Fedora 20 test days, currently interested in 
Virtualization Test Day and Gnome Test Day on Oct 8th and 10th.


looking at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-10-10_Gnome_3.10 I see 
a few names from Brno, so I'd expect at least 10-16 CEST (8-14 UTC) to be 
covered

and I'd expect the same with Virtualization (page does not exist yet)

if in doubt, ping the coordinator (Martix I think?)

K.

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Question: What are Fedora 20 test days business hours in Europe

2013-09-20 Thread Alexander Todorov 

Hi guys,
I'll try to organize a few people locally in Sofia to participate in Fedora 20 
test days, currently interested in Virtualization Test Day and Gnome Test Day on 
Oct 8th and 10th.


My intention is to bring people together in a room and do some testing. During 
what hours in the European time zone there will be devel and other QA folks 
present on IRC?


The chosen venue where people will gather is available until 15:30 UTC due to 
another event.


Thanks,
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Re: Noveau resolution

2013-09-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan 
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 5:29 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:

> It's Nouveau. noUveau. no U veau. There are two Us in it, is what i'm
> trying to say.
>

+1 :-)

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RE: Introduction

2013-09-20 Thread John Dulaney 
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:28:46 +0200
> From: denni...@conversis.de
> To: test@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: Introduction
> 
> On 05.09.2013 18:15, John Dulaney wrote:
> 
> > RE the Raspberry Pi, alas, Fedroa does not support it; for one it's ARMv6
> > and is an old architecture, and the kernel to run it is not fully open 
> > source.
> 
> How can the kernel not be fully open source and not violate the gpl license?
> 
> Regards,
>Dennis
> 

That's the million dollar question.  According to some people, it can't.  
However
binary-only drivers are included with the kernel all the time.

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Re: Introduction

2013-09-20 Thread Dennis Jacobfeuerborn 

On 05.09.2013 18:15, John Dulaney wrote:


RE the Raspberry Pi, alas, Fedroa does not support it; for one it's ARMv6
and is an old architecture, and the kernel to run it is not fully open source.


How can the kernel not be fully open source and not violate the gpl license?

Regards,
  Dennis

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Re: Removing Optical Boot Requirement from F20 Alpha Release Requirements

2013-09-20 Thread Adam Williamson 
On Thu, 2013-09-19 at 06:43 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > The rewrite sounds good to me.  Just one possible improvement.  I work
> > almost exclusively with VM for testing so iso size doesn't matter.
> > Should it be an alpha requirement that the isos we're talking about
> > boot and install in the VM environment which has no care for size?
> 
> I think that should be implicitly covered by "All release-blocking
> images must boot in their supported configurations. ". But it's true
> we could explicitly mention VMs as a supported "architecture" (or
> something).

In fact, we don't technically require the images to work in a
virtualized environment at all until Beta. There's an explicit pair of
criteria there.
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Re: F20-rc3, gnome-shell logoff?

2013-09-20 Thread Adam Williamson 
On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 10:37 -0400, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
> On 09/18/2013 09:59 AM, nonamedotc wrote:
> >
> > On 09/18/2013 08:49 AM, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
> >> OK, so we changed the interface yet again for the user in Gnome 
> >> 3/gnome-shell.  Just how does one logoff or do a switch user??  I can 
> >> do a shutdown/restart.  I can suspend.  I can bring up the setting 
> >> application.  But logout and switch user seems to have gotten lost 
> >> ... or if it is there it sure is not obvious!
> >>
> >> Gene
> >
> >
> > Try this
> >
> > gsettings set org.gnome.shell always-show-log-out true
> >
> > to get the username in the right corner menu under which log out will 
> > appear.
> I usually run something a little lighter weight in virtuals such as xfce 
> and I also usually have a couple of userid defined but this was initial 
> testing of of F20 and I had never seen the "no logout" before.
> 
> I am not sure I like the new look ... maybe there will be some extension 
> to put it back the way it was with the User's name being displayed.

It was changed because people complained about having their name visible
in public places where they might not want it to be.
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