Re: Suggested activities during the pre-F21 lull

[Kashyap Chamarthy]

On 01/21/2014 07:28 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> 
> On 01/21/2014 01:49 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> 
> 
> Or you can simply skip all that and share with us your ideas and
> thoughts how we can improve QA to make it more awesome then it already
> is ;)
> And we can see if we cant find the time even resources to push your
> ideas or thoughts forward and see where they lead.
> 
> Now's the time people before we all get locked stocked in a smoking
> barrel of QA routine...

You seem to be trolling. I cannot see the humour in your post nor the
intentions behind your wink. Have you even read the full email before
snipping it?

Though, what I *can* see is: Adam took the time to write a thoroughly
detailed email with clean intentions.

Let me quickly outline here what I've learnt from Adam's email:

  1. A reminder to test updates-testing on stable Fedora releases
  2. How to test Fedora Rawhide
  3. Writing package specific test cases; /how/ you can write them,
 and how they'd be useful in Bodhi 2.0 (when it is available).
  4. Improving release criteria & validation test cases
  - Pain points identified during F20 validation
  - How/where to find the blocker bugs identified
  5. A friendly suggestion to new users to submit their tests
 even in plain text;
  6. A useful note on /how/ to submit a proposal in a way that's
 future search friendly.

All of them - very well summarized and always useful reminders for those
who are new to the list.

What part of it is hard to understand to you or to acknowledge? You
respond with some kind of rhetorical snub (even /that/ is not coherent).

I'm not trying to defend anyone here, just an objective view.

Thanks.

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Fedora 19 updates-testing report

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The following Fedora 19 Security updates need testing:
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https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-23592/rubygem-actionpack-3.2.13-3.fc19
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Re: Suggested activities during the pre-F21 lull

[Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX]

I installed Rawhide from a local mirror of the rawhide tree.
The rawhide pxeboot files didn't work so I used the Heisenbug
versions for installation.

I installed the Development and Creative workstation, then Xfce
and a bunch of libs on top of that.  Surprisingly it mostly worked
the same as Heisenbug.

Except for Noveau (surprise).  I could not get Noveau to set a
resolution above 1600x1200.  I am running a Dell U3011 and
GTX 470 which normally runs at 2560x1600.

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Re: [Fedora QA] #441: Temporary sysadmin-qa membership to access beaker for desktop qe

[Fedora QA]

#441: Temporary sysadmin-qa membership  to access beaker for desktop qe
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  Reporter:  vrutkovs |  Owner:  tflink
  Type:  task | Status:  new
  Priority:  major|  Milestone:
 Component:  permissions  |Version:
Resolution:   |   Keywords:
Blocked By:   |   Blocking:
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Comment (by tflink):

 The new beaker FAS groups are created.

 I've removed vrutkovs, vhumpa and vbenes from sysadmin-qa and added them
 to qa-beaker-user.

 Closing this ticket since the permissions issue is fixed. Please reopen if
 there are any problems

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Re: Supported CPUs'

[poma]

On 21.01.2014 17:05, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 16:41:00 +0100,
>poma  wrote:
>> On 21.01.2014 16:28, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>>
>>> There have also been some CPU relevant changes in software graphics
>>> support used as a fallback in gnome. Not all 686 machines support
>>> the exact same instruction set and I saw some issues on an AMD CPU
>>> (an Athlon MP). However, with CPUs that old, the software graphics
>>> fallback for gnome is not very usable and you'll want to use another
>>> desktop.
>>
>> Bruno, are you serious? :)
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> gnome-[s]hell on i686 bare metal!?
> 
> Gnome shell is not usable (for my defintion of usable, others may be 
> more tolerant) using the llvm softpipe software driver fallback on 
> a pair of Athlon MP CPUs.

Good, cause a whole stuff about softpipe is so bloody lame!
Big mama "L"! ;)


poma



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Re: Supported CPUs'

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 16:41:00 +0100,
  poma  wrote:

On 21.01.2014 16:28, Bruno Wolff III wrote:


There have also been some CPU relevant changes in software graphics
support used as a fallback in gnome. Not all 686 machines support
the exact same instruction set and I saw some issues on an AMD CPU
(an Athlon MP). However, with CPUs that old, the software graphics
fallback for gnome is not very usable and you'll want to use another
desktop.


Bruno, are you serious? :)


Yes.


gnome-[s]hell on i686 bare metal!?


Gnome shell is not usable (for my defintion of usable, others may be 
more tolerant) using the llvm softpipe software driver fallback on 
a pair of Athlon MP CPUs.

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Re: Supported CPUs'

[poma]

On 21.01.2014 16:28, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

> There have also been some CPU relevant changes in software graphics 
> support used as a fallback in gnome. Not all 686 machines support 
> the exact same instruction set and I saw some issues on an AMD CPU 
> (an Athlon MP). However, with CPUs that old, the software graphics 
> fallback for gnome is not very usable and you'll want to use another 
> desktop.

Bruno, are you serious? :)
gnome-[s]hell on i686 bare metal!?


poma


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Re: Supported CPUs'

[poma]

On 21.01.2014 16:20, Frank Murphy wrote:

> No I have some older gear,
> I don't like binning working kit.

Just don't take too seriously what's written on 'fedora/wiki'. ;)


poma


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Re: Supported CPUs'

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 14:30:33 +,
  Frank Murphy  wrote:


Does test@ fedora give a heads up,
when cpus are no longer supported.
eg kernel-3-15* will no longer support
AMD AM2, Intel whatever


Generally there has been some notice. There was a significant discussion 
when we stopped building 586 kernels and what options were used for 686 
builds.


I don't think we had an announcement here when upstream dropped 386 
support, but we weren't doing builds for those CPUs in Fedora for a 
long time before that change happened.


There have also been some CPU relevant changes in software graphics 
support used as a fallback in gnome. Not all 686 machines support 
the exact same instruction set and I saw some issues on an AMD CPU 
(an Athlon MP). However, with CPUs that old, the software graphics 
fallback for gnome is not very usable and you'll want to use another 
desktop.


Probably the next change to kernels to look for, would be the end of 
non-PAE kernel builds. I haven't heard any serious discussions about 
doing this, but that will affect some machines. I have a laptop that 
can't run PAE kernels (with a Pentium M CPU).

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Re: Supported CPUs'

[Frank Murphy]

On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 16:18:20 +0100
poma  wrote:

 
> 
> Perhaps carried away by reading [1]. :)
> 

No I have some older gear,
I don't like binning working kit.



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Re: Supported CPUs'

[poma]

On 21.01.2014 15:52, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> 
> On 01/21/2014 02:30 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
>> Had a choice between here or kernel@
>>
>> Apologies if it somewhere,
>> more grey hair && less grey matter.
>>
>> Does test@ fedora give a heads up,
>> when cpus are no longer supported.
>> eg kernel-3-15* will no longer support
>> AMD AM2, Intel whatever
>>
>> Mister Google hasn't really returned specific info.
>> Q: fedora no longer supported cpu's
>> This was the closes result:
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support
> 
> The kernel community decides that so check kernel@ for their SOP in that 
> regard.
> 
> JBG
> 

Perhaps carried away by reading [1]. :)


poma


[1] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE2NzE



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Re: Rawhide older than F20 updates-testing

[poma]

Oke, jefe all lookin good today!


poma


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Re: Supported CPUs'

[Jóhann B. Guðmundsson]

On 01/21/2014 02:30 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:

Had a choice between here or kernel@

Apologies if it somewhere,
more grey hair && less grey matter.

Does test@ fedora give a heads up,
when cpus are no longer supported.
eg kernel-3-15* will no longer support
AMD AM2, Intel whatever

Mister Google hasn't really returned specific info.
Q: fedora no longer supported cpu's
This was the closes result:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support


The kernel community decides that so check kernel@ for their SOP in that 
regard.


JBG

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Supported CPUs'

[Frank Murphy]

Had a choice between here or kernel@

Apologies if it somewhere,
more grey hair && less grey matter.

Does test@ fedora give a heads up,
when cpus are no longer supported.
eg kernel-3-15* will no longer support 
AMD AM2, Intel whatever

Mister Google hasn't really returned specific info.
Q: fedora no longer supported cpu's
This was the closes result: 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support


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