Re: fedup failure

2014-11-08 Thread Per Bothner



On 11/07/2014 05:34 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:

On Fri, 2014-11-07 at 16:48 -0800, Per Bothner wrote:

I wanted to try to updating to what will soon be Fedora 21.
I tried using fedup, but failed miserably.  Did I use the correct incantation?


Well. Not according to the release information, which we've been waving
all over the place lately:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F21_bugs#no-fedup-beta


There was no link here, where I looked
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp
Important Changes in the Upgrade process to Fedora 21

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Rawhide suggests
run fedup --network rawhide --nogpgcheck --instrepo 
http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/rawhide/$(uname 
-i)/os/
which I also considered but the initial command seemed to work, in
the sense of downloading 2780/2780 packages.


Can you get any more of a clue if you pass -v ?


Not sure what fixed it, but I did:
(1) Removed /var/cache/system-upgrade
(2) Removed or disabled various repos in /etc/yum.repos.d

Then when I tried:

fedup --network 21 -v --product=workstation --debuglog=/var/log/fedupdebug4.log

it worked.  I'm using Fedora 21/rawhide now.  No major problems or regressions 
so far.
A trivial regression was that Gnome Terminal switched to white-on-black, 
which was
easily fixed (unclick Use dark theme variant in Preferences).

I'll be trying out Fedora 21 as long as it seems tolerable.  Fedora 20 has some
annoyances when it came to resuming after suspending or screen timeouts; Ill be
curious to see if Fedora 21 does better.  So far so good ...

Btw before trying fedup I copied over my root partition to a spare partition, so
I could have a fall-back.  I got that working, after some grub and fstab tweaks,
and disabling selinux.  It might be useful to have a cookbook for that; 
however
in the short term I ran this copy the Gnome environment died at least once (and
I don't know why), so it may not be worthwhile trying to write up what I did.

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Re: fedup failure

2014-11-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 00:13 -0800, Per Bothner wrote:

 Then when I tried:
 
 fedup --network 21 -v --product=workstation 
 --debuglog=/var/log/fedupdebug4.log
 
 it worked.  I'm using Fedora 21/rawhide now.

These are not the same thing. Rawhide is now F22. See
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Life_Cycle and
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Branched . The odd thing about
your initial attempt is you somehow wound up with Rawhide packages being
pulled in, even though I can't see any repo there that would contain
them. All I can think is maybe releng fleetingly had the instrepo
redirect pointing at Rawhide, and you happened to hit it while that was
the case, but even that seems odd.

Can you run 'rpm -qa | grep fc22' and verify you have no Fedora 22
packages installed? You should not. Thanks!
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Re: Linux multi-boot release criterion discussion, redux

2014-11-08 Thread Gene Czarcinski

On 11/07/2014 04:24 PM, Peter Jones wrote:

On Fri, Nov 07, 2014 at 11:34:16AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:

More criteria time, folks!

So we managed to get the Windows multi-boot criterion revised and an OS
X multi-boot criterion added, but we did not yet manage to come to a
consensus on exactly what should be required for Linux multi-boot.

I think Chris will re-propose his last idea and we can discuss it a bit
more, but I'd like to suggest a more restricted criterion we can
hopefully agree on immediately for the short term:

===

When installing to a system containing an existing installation of
either the same Fedora release or either of the two previous releases,
the installer must configure the new installation's bootloader such that
it can successfully boot the existing installation.

[Footnote] Typical configurations only: This criterion applies only to
installations (both existing and new) using default or very common
storage and bootloader configurations.

[Footnote] Platforms: This criterion applies to all supported
configurations described in
[[Fedora_21_Alpha_Release_Criteria#Release-blocking_images_must_boot|the
Alpha criteria]], but does not apply to mixed configurations, e.g. it
does not require that a UEFI native installation of one Fedora release
be able to configure its bootloader to boot a BIOS native installation
of another Fedora release.

===

How does that look? I think we had at least a consensus that this much
was reasonable, and we have two bugs currently that would likely violate
the proposed criterion:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=825236
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=964828

I think it's reasonable to consider these blockers for F21, but we
should justify it ASAP to give the devs sufficient time to fix them.

I'm all for getting those bugs fixed, but making it an official
criterion is basically adding an anaconda requirement and a new feature
to the distro.  Doing that at the end of a cycle isn't really okay, and
doing it without any mention on anaconda-devel-list or fedora-devel-list
for discussion isn't really that great, either.

Also this criterion as written is going to bring in more than just those
two bugs - for example, right now we don't /really/ support two UEFI
Fedora installations on a single disk without the user making some
fairly strange choices, and when you do that, some things such as
fallback (which admittedly aren't in the criteria AFAIK) don't work.

Fixing that would be a fairly substantial RFE, so either we need to have
language in any potential new criterion to accept the current conditions
(e.g. by requiring two separate disks to put an ESP on each), or we need
to plan on adding support for that before we apply any new criteria.

Before discussion any criteria for whatever release, perhaps there 
should be a discussion on how we would like things to work and what we 
really do not care about.  Also, I believe that the appropriate place 
for this discussion is the anaconda-devel list and/or 
de...@lists.fedoraproject.org [or, perhaps both].


Also, is this just a grub2 issue or does it also apply to extlinux?

Also, I would like to see the merits of directly booting other 
installations (linux/initrd) versus configfile chaining.


Another point that would clarify things for me concerns 
linux16/initrd16.  Other than it is the latest and greatest, just what 
features/capabilities does linux/initrd (32 bit) offer that is not 
available in linux16/initrd16?


Once we know what goal we are aimed at and what we are ignoring, then we 
can establish some bounds and release criteria.  And yes, it is far too 
late for Fedora 21 and will be too late for Fedora 22 if the discussion 
and decisions are not done soon.  As Peter points out, some RFE things 
will involve a substantial amount of code and therefore need lots of 
lead time.


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Re: One Desktop and one Desktop ONLY.

2014-11-08 Thread Gene Czarcinski

On 11/05/2014 09:21 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Hi

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

Sorry to start yet another thread on the same issue  But I
only just now discover that once you install Fedora Workstation
you can't install another desktop


Try,

# yum swap fedora-release-workstation fedora-release-nonproduct
# yum install @lxde-desktop



I notice that dnf does not have swap.  Is this intentional?

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Re: One Desktop and one Desktop ONLY.

2014-11-08 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 09:05 -0500, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
 I notice that dnf does not have swap.  Is this intentional?


Try:



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Re: One Desktop and one Desktop ONLY.

2014-11-08 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 14:46 +, Ankur Sinha wrote:
 On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 09:05 -0500, Gene Czarcinski wrote:
  I notice that dnf does not have swap.  Is this intentional?
 
 
 Try:

Gah, sent it early:

http://dnf.readthedocs.org/en/latest/cli_vs_yum.html#packages-replacement-without-yum-shell-or-yum-swap

as Tim pointed out already. :)
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Re: Linux multi-boot release criterion discussion, redux

2014-11-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 08:45 -0500, Gene Czarcinski wrote:

 Before discussion any criteria for whatever release, perhaps there 
 should be a discussion on how we would like things to work and what we 
 really do not care about.  Also, I believe that the appropriate place 
 for this discussion is the anaconda-devel list and/or 
 de...@lists.fedoraproject.org [or, perhaps both].

We already did that, extensively. What I'm trying to do is propose a
fairly minimum criterion that would be a *baseline* everyone can agree
on, so we can at least get something added. As I wrote, I think cmurf is
planning to re-propose his more extensive idea.

I sent the proposal to a-d-l as well, but test@ is the 'official' place
for criterion discussions.

 Also, is this just a grub2 issue or does it also apply to extlinux?

My proposal does not.

 Also, I would like to see the merits of directly booting other 
 installations (linux/initrd) versus configfile chaining.

Release criteria are about functionality, not about implementation.
That's an entirely separate discussion, which *would* make sense on
a-d-l.

 Another point that would clarify things for me concerns 
 linux16/initrd16.  Other than it is the latest and greatest, just what 
 features/capabilities does linux/initrd (32 bit) offer that is not 
 available in linux16/initrd16?

Again irrelevant to a criterion discussion.

 Once we know what goal we are aimed at and what we are ignoring, then we 
 can establish some bounds and release criteria. 

I guess I don't quite see it that way. What goal we're aimed at is
exactly what a criterion *is*: a functional requirement. What you're
talking about above is not about 'goals', it's about
technical/implementation details. These can have some impact on criteria
- it's obviously absurd to write a requirement that is not technically
achievable - but in general I don't see that we need to get into the
nitty gritty of grub's alternative loader implementations in order to
decide whether we want to set a release criterion for basic stock
configuration multi-boot.
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Re: One Desktop and one Desktop ONLY.

2014-11-08 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi

On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Gene Czarcinski wrote:

 I notice that dnf does not have swap.  Is this intentional?


Yes

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1110780

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Re: fedup failure

2014-11-08 Thread Per Bothner

On 11/08/2014 12:46 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:

Can you run 'rpm -qa | grep fc22' and verify you have no Fedora 22
packages installed? You should not. Thanks!


Just one:

$ sudo rpm -qa | grep fc22
shim-unsigned-0.8-1.fc22.x86_64

I'm afraid I don't know what that is.
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Re: fedup failure

2014-11-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 10:06 -0800, Per Bothner wrote:
 On 11/08/2014 12:46 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
  Can you run 'rpm -qa | grep fc22' and verify you have no Fedora 22
  packages installed? You should not. Thanks!
 
 Just one:
 
 $ sudo rpm -qa | grep fc22
 shim-unsigned-0.8-1.fc22.x86_64
 
 I'm afraid I don't know what that is.

Ah, that's actually fine. As a special case, the fc22 build of shim was
sent to all supported releases as it cuts down on the Secure Boot
signing/verification work - we don't have to verify four
actually-the-same builds of shim. So, looks fine.
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Re: fedup failure

2014-11-08 Thread Per Bothner

On 11/08/2014 11:14 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:

Ah, that's actually fine. As a special case, the fc22 build of shim was
sent to all supported releases as it cuts down on the Secure Boot
signing/verification work - we don't have to verify four
actually-the-same builds of shim. So, looks fine.


Thanks for your help.

So far looking good.

A couple of minor but annoying bugs are still there (i.e. not regressions):

(1) The default (Gnome) sound output device switches back to Speakers - Built-in 
Audio
from HDMI / DisplayPort 2 - Built-in Audio each time the screensaver kicks in.

(2) Some NetworkManager problems when the Ethernet cable is plugged in, leading 
me to
just use WiFi even though I have a nice cable right there.

(3) The Gnome Displays configuration applet works right after rebooting, but 
has problems
disabling the external monitor or switching primary/secondary after suspend or 
screensaving.

I'll check out KDE next time I reboot - on F20 it also had problems (only 
showing the upper-left
quadrant of the 4k display after timeout-caused screen lock requiring 
unplugging and plugging
back inthe HDMI cable).

These could all be suspend or screensaver issues specific to my laptop (Toshiba 
Satellite P-50A
with a connected Seiki 4k 50 display).  I need to figure out where to report 
these bugs
after I've used F21 a bit more.
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Re: Resume still broken on Thinkpad X1 Carbon

2014-11-08 Thread Jonathan Corbet
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:17:25 -0500
Jonathan Corbet corbet...@lwn.net wrote:

 I'm pretty well mystified, but, given my general lack of skills in this
 part of the system, that's not surprising.  My next step, perhaps, is to
 start disabling boot-time unit files until I find the one that makes
 resume work, then try to see what's different under F21.

Just in case anybody's curious, systemd-udev-trigger.service seems to be
the one that makes the difference on F20.  Something is happening there
that isn't happening the same way under F21, but I've not had a chance to
delve more deeply into it.

My investigation would be aided if I could get into the emergency or
rescue targets from the live image.  But that wants the root password, and
an empty password doesn't fly.  Is there any way to boot the live image
into one of those modes, or is that completely unsupported and out of
scope?

Thanks,

jon
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Re: Resume still broken on Thinkpad X1 Carbon

2014-11-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2014-11-08 at 16:50 -0500, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
 On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 09:17:25 -0500
 Jonathan Corbet corbet...@lwn.net wrote:
 
  I'm pretty well mystified, but, given my general lack of skills in this
  part of the system, that's not surprising.  My next step, perhaps, is to
  start disabling boot-time unit files until I find the one that makes
  resume work, then try to see what's different under F21.
 
 Just in case anybody's curious, systemd-udev-trigger.service seems to be
 the one that makes the difference on F20.  Something is happening there
 that isn't happening the same way under F21, but I've not had a chance to
 delve more deeply into it.
 
 My investigation would be aided if I could get into the emergency or
 rescue targets from the live image.  But that wants the root password, and
 an empty password doesn't fly.  Is there any way to boot the live image
 into one of those modes, or is that completely unsupported and out of
 scope?

One thing I've done before is build a live image with the systemd debug
console enabled. To do that, add this to the %post of a ks:

%post
mkdir -p /etc/systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants
ln -s /usr/lib/systemd/system/debug-shell.service 
/etc/systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants
%end

Here's the whole .ks I used:

%include spin-kickstarts/fedora-live-workstation.ks

repo --name=fedora 
--baseurl=http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/$releasever/$basearch/os/
repo --name=side --baseurl=file:///home/adamw/local/repo2/$basearch
repo --name=bleed 
--baseurl=http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/bleed/$basearch

%post
mkdir -p /etc/systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants
ln -s /usr/lib/systemd/system/debug-shell.service 
/etc/systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants
%end

obviously, you'd have a checkout of the f21 branch of spin-kickstarts in
the directory 'spin-kickstarts' below wherever that spec file is
located, and you'd have your own side repo or just disable it.
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F21 Installation Issues - Installation destination partitioning

2014-11-08 Thread Bidski
I am trying to install F21 on my system. Unfortunately I am running in
to some of issues.

First issue is that I can not run the regular installer from the
LiveUSB I created (this is likely to be due to my GeForce GTX 750TI
graphics being not completely supported yet. Running the installer in
low graphics mode seems work ok).

The second issue is to do with create device partitions for the
installation.

Performing automatic partitioning will fail. The installer seems
unable to detect the ~2TB of unallocated/free space on my hard drive.
The installer will return to the main window and the Installation
Destination button with first have some yellow/orange text saying
Failed to save storage configuration, which will then turn to red
text saying Error checking storage configuration.

Performing manual partitioning will fail on two counts.
First: Clicking the link that says Click here to create them
automatically. fails A red box will appear at the bottom of the
screen saying Automatic partitioning failed. Click for details..
Clicking there brings up a dialog will saying 
You have not defined a root partition (/), which is required for
installation of Fedora to continue.
No valid bootloader target device found. See below for details.
For a UEFI installation, you must include an EFI System Partition on a
GPT-formatted disk, mounted at /boot/efi..

Second: Creating manual partitions (specifying /, /boot, /home, and
swap manually) I am able to add 1 of those 4 partitions (to be
whatever size I desire), but trying to add a second partitions
constantly fails despite having copious amounts of hard drive space
available. A red box will appear at the bottom of the screen saying
Failed to add new device. Click for details.. Clicking there brings
up a dialog saying requested size exceeds maximum allowed.

Some system specifications:
Processor: Intel Core i7 4820K
Motherboard: ASUS P9X79-LE (UEFI)
Chipset: Intel X79
Memory: 64GB DDR3
HDD: 4TB Western Digital Caviar Green SATA 6GB/s (Windows 7 64-bit is
installed in one half of this hard drive with a GPT partition table).
Graphics: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750TI

Fedora 21 64-bit ISO was downloaded (via torrent) on 8th November and
burnt on to a 8GB USB flash drive with 4GB of persistant storage.
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Re: F21 Installation Issues - Installation destination partitioning

2014-11-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 11:28 +1100, Bidski wrote:

 HDD: 4TB Western Digital Caviar Green SATA 6GB/s (Windows 7 64-bit is
 installed in one half of this hard drive with a GPT partition table).

Well, the errors you're getting seem rather odd. Are you sure it
*actually* has a GPT partition table? Can you
post /tmp/storage.log , /tmp/program.log , and the output of 'fdisk' or
'parted' or something on the disk? Thanks.
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Re: F21 Installation Issues - Installation destination partitioning

2014-11-08 Thread Bidski
 
 My apologies. Apparently when you ask Windows to create a GPT it
decides that what you really wanted was an MBR. I shall work on
rectifying this now.

I shall let you know the result.

- Original Message -
From: Bidski 
To:Adam Williamson 
Cc:
Sent:Sun, 09 Nov 2014 13:52:21 +1100
Subject:Re: F21 Installation Issues - Installation destination
partitioning

 My apologies. Apparently when you ask Windows to create a GPT it
decides that what you really wanted was an MBR. I shall work on
rectifying this now.

I shall let you know the result.

- Original Message -
 From: Adam Williamson  
To:Bidski , For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases 
Cc: 
Sent:Sat, 08 Nov 2014 16:52:00 -0800
Subject:Re: F21 Installation Issues - Installation destination
partitioning

 On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 11:28 +1100, Bidski wrote:

  HDD: 4TB Western Digital Caviar Green SATA 6GB/s (Windows 7 64-bit
is
  installed in one half of this hard drive with a GPT partition
table).

 Well, the errors you're getting seem rather odd. Are you sure it
 *actually* has a GPT partition table? Can you
 post /tmp/storage.log , /tmp/program.log , and the output of 'fdisk'
or
 'parted' or something on the disk? Thanks.
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