Re: Please help test packages!
Seeing Kalev's post made me recall that I do have an FAS account. It suffers from lack of use as a proactive helper. Who can give me advice about replacing the ssh key on it? I long ago lost track of the private key. Same thing with the gpg key...it may have expired anyhow. I also downloaded the install DVD, but I'm not sure how much help I can be testing it. I've only paid attention to this in the last few days and only because I was attracted to the thread about the user interface for setting mount points. I could test this very carefully on another system but it seems pretty close to the release date. Bob On 12/5/12 9:46 PM, Erinn Looney-Triggs wrote: On 12/05/12 14:42, Kalev Lember wrote: Hi, F18 currently has a huge number of unapproved updates queued in updates-testing. Could folks that are on F18 please run fedora-easy-karma occasionally and file karma as appropriate? And please don't only file negative karma, positive karma is also very much needed in case you don't notice any regressions. It would be a huge help if some more people could help with the feedback. This is how it works: a) Get a FAS account, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts b) Update to F18 / install from scratch c) Run fedora-easy-karma on the command line daily d) Profit! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Update_feedback_guidelines Thanks! Well I never knew about that handy little tool. Thanks for pointing that out, knocked out a bunch of them. -Erinn -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rename anaconda to cryptoconda?
Wow! This is a really neat tutorial. The commentary is excellent and the screen shots are high quality. I love how my mouse arrow becomes large and thick, making it easy to see, and how it changes to a pointing finger when links are moused over. Bob On 12/1/12 6:08 PM, Thomas Gilliard wrote: Look at this tutorial on using Anaconda in f18: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Tutorials/Installation/Install_SoaS_in_VirtualBox-f18#Install_with_Anaconda_f18_in_VirtualBox I have been testing it for #fedora-qa. Hope this helps Tom Gilliard #sugar and #fedora-qa on freenode IRC -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Rename anaconda to cryptoconda?
Iagree with Tom on this point. I too have experience installing Linux distros. The screen shot that Tom displays is in fact a disaster of design. It does not help the user set up mount points. In fact, it entirely misses the point...pun intended. I work in IT and I wouldn't want the other techs in my group to work with this sort of user interface. Do simplify it. Tom is making a valid criticism here. He shouldn't have to use a specific code phrase or set of code phrases to bring attention to the screen. Having said that, I agree with Stephen that Tom should not be installing Fedora 18 on a production or other machine that cannot be risked. Tom should use a totally different, "test" computer. That way if Fedora 18 or anything else experimental trashes the system, no harm is done. Probably Tom is a little more emotional than he needs to be because he fears for his production machine. Tom, it is a given in the world of software testing that you don't install the software under test on a system that you really need. (Smile.) Bob On 12/1/12 2:31 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: In many many years of installing all kinds of linux distros, I have never encountered a more baffling and cryptic screen than the one I ran into when I made the attempt to install Fedora 18 Beta from the DVD image: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=882542 This has got to be the result of a group of maniacs giving each other feedback about how great this design is when they all know what everything means because they were there when it grew. Coming along after the fact and seeing it for the first time, I can't tell what on earth it is trying to convey, and I'm certainly not going to randomly try things when I'm potentially destroying the disks on my primary system if I interpret some part of this cryptic nonsense incorrectly. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Floppies available
On 11/11/12 11:26 AM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: On 11/11/2012 05:51 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: I am sure someone else must have punch cards too FC Actually I do. For nostalgia reasons, an IBM 1401 Autocoder Q two pass assembler in brown Hollerith cards. No blank cards tho. They used to make great note cards since they fit nicely in a shirt pocket. Oh yes! I remember punched cards; my neighbors made very fine Christmas wreathes out of them when I was a kid. I started my programming career in 1981 just as the more modern shops were getting out of punched cards. The experienced programmers in my first shop kept their card decks in boxes. One of them demonstrated what a dropped deck was and then showed me how to use an IBM card reader to sort the cards back in order again. We also shared a mutual liking for the TV show The 3 Stooges. Bob -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: f15 and fonts
After reading Tom's post, and recalling my own experience with fonts on Fedora, I agree with him that they can can be a very frustrating experience. Tom seems to know a bit more than I do about fonts, and the apps needed to adjust them. He has given some of his time and hardware resources to test Fedora 15. He calls attention to the fonts. Fonts are still a good discussion point. There is room for improvement with them. I don't think I'd criticize him, for criticizing the fonts. That is the purpose of testing: "these fonts have to improve!" Bob Cochran On 04/30/2011 10:06 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 05/01/2011 06:23 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: >> Meanwhile, the gnome-font-properties or gnome-appearance >> apps seem to have vanished from the face of f15, so I can't >> play with any of the font setting I used to be able to >> play with to influence the rendering. > Use gnome-tweak-tool. If you have suggestions for better defaults, > that would be more constructive feedback than calling existing defaults > horrible. > > Rahul -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Speech Recognition Software Being Tested For Fedora 15?
fedora pocketsphinx-plugin.i686 0.6.1-1.fc14 fedora pocketsphinx-plugin.x86_64 0.6.1-1.fc14 fedora pocketsphinx-python.x86_64 0.6.1-1.fc14 fedora Bob Cochran -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Speech Recognition Software Being Tested For Fedora 15?
Is there any speech recognition software being tested for Fedora 15? Thanks Bob Cochran -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 NTP and SELinux
I had this problem as well, on the x86_64 arch, for one of the late alpha or early beta builds. I did the install on a brand new hard drive. A few weeks elapsed, and I downloaded the release version of 14 -- the x86_64 DVD iso. I've just installed from this as a URL installation using the same hard drive that had the earlier build. I did an "use all space" installation and because I like encrypting my systems for added privacy, I had to supply the passphrase for the earlier build. I can't remember whether the problem Rahul documents then happened to me on the release installation. During the install process I specified using the Fedora and Fedora updates repositories. So I got the latest versions of (everything that was updated) at install time. Bob Cochran On 11/29/2010 01:05 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Read a couple of reviews and blog posts mentioning this, if you use ntp > via firstboot in Fedora 14 and you login, you get SELinux warnings on > login. I tried testing this in a vm and this is very much reproducible > and is such a jarring user experience. What can we do to avoid these > class of problems for the next release? > > Rahul -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Much Improved Fedora 14 RC1 Install Experience
I was able to successfully install Fedora 14 RC1 x86_54 on my Dell Latitude E6400 laptop today. I need to change some video options a bit since I use dual monitors, and look more closely at the available yum repos, but overall it was quite successful. Bob Cochran -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Unable To Complete Fedora 14 HTTP Install
On 10/17/2010 07:15 AM, Mike Chambers wrote:
> On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 23:42 -0400, Bob Cochran wrote:
>
>
>> Then I clicked 'next' and the dependency checking startsand up comes
>> a warning dialog telling me that dependencies are missing. Clicking the
>> Details button reveals a list of packages that require other packages
>> (often the same package name is repeated a few times in the list of
>> missing dependencies.) For example, ImageMagick requires an libxml2
>> package that is missing, and the ImageMagick warning line is repeated a
>> few times in the details list. Several other packages make the list,
>> too. I have the choice of either exiting the install, or clicking the
>> back button to adjust my package selection, or of continuing to install
>> without the dependencies.
>>
>> I decide to click the Back button. That brought me to the package
>> selection screen. On that screen, I clicked the Back button again, to
>> bring me back to the installation repo list. Here I checked off the
>> middle choice in the repo list ("Fedora 14 updates", if memory serves
>> me.) A dialog box comes up stating it is gathering information about the
>> repo, and it gathers for a very long, long time! I then click the 'next'
>> button, which becomes shaded, and a freeze up happens. Things are locked
>> up for a minute or two, then if I recall, a dialog box appears and
>> informs me that an unexpected crash happened. I'm asked to report the
>> crash. I want to do this, and I think a list of reporting choices was
>> offered. I checked off Bugzilla, but when prompted for my username and
>> password, I realize I've forgotten my password.
> At the point above, instead of clicking the "back" button and redoing
> it, just continuing the install and let it do a skip-broken type thing
> and install. Then you can finish installing and/or figure out what
> didn't and see what the dep issue is. AT least you have a working
> system at that point. Not much you can do about dep problems until
> packages are rebuilt to satisfy them.
Yeah I guess I should, Mike. A part of my problem is how to "repair" a
broken package installation after continuing even without the
dependencies. Is there an automated process that can check every package
for missing dependencies post-install, and get them fixed? So there is
some amount of hesitation here. Also I'm Java-distracted. I am trying to
focus on learning Java programming these days because of where my
daytime job is going.
Bob
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Unable To Complete Fedora 14 HTTP Install
I decided to install Fedora 14 x86_64 TC1.1 over a url. Short summary:
and it failed while at the point where dependency checking is done and
then crashed.
Here is an inexact narrative. I should have kept notes, but didn't. I
may have time tomorrow to retry and take proper notes. So you will see a
lot of "I believes" and "I thinks" here as I try to recall the true
sequence of events. Take it all with a grain of salt.
I downloaded the TC1.1 DVD iso earlier today (about 11:15 a.m. EDT). I
wanted to try Mike Cloaked's method for testing the latest anaconda
version with a USB key, but I forgot to pick up a USB key at the store.
I set up another machine with a web server, put the iso file in it,
mounted it under the web server document root, and booted the install
machine with a CD of the boot.iso image. I was installing to a brand
new, uninitialized hard drive. Hardware is a Dell Latitude E6400.
Used eth0 as the network device for the url installation.
Selected the option to use all available hard drive space.
Clicked option to review and customize hard drive partitioning.
Accepted all hard drive partitioning defaults.
Selected 'encrypt system' and when prompted entered my passphrase.
Noticed the choice to configure additional network adapters, so I went
ahead and selected my wireless access point and entered security
details. That's a nice touch.
Anaconda formatted the hard drive, then brought me to the repository
selection screen. Here I selected "Fedora 14 testing updates" in
addition to the default choice (the one at the top of the repo
list...what was that?), then clicked next.
That brought me to the package selection screen. I wanted to add a lot
of package groups such as 'Electronic Library', so I opted to 'customize
now' on the package selection. I started with the 'Graphical Desktop'
choice and then worked down the various package selection menus, picking
the ones I like and de-selecting the ones I don't like. I went over the
package selection for a few minutes before feeling satisfied.
Note to no one in particular: how come the gputils package isn't in the
Electronic Library group?
Then I clicked 'next' and the dependency checking startsand up comes
a warning dialog telling me that dependencies are missing. Clicking the
Details button reveals a list of packages that require other packages
(often the same package name is repeated a few times in the list of
missing dependencies.) For example, ImageMagick requires an libxml2
package that is missing, and the ImageMagick warning line is repeated a
few times in the details list. Several other packages make the list,
too. I have the choice of either exiting the install, or clicking the
back button to adjust my package selection, or of continuing to install
without the dependencies.
I decide to click the Back button. That brought me to the package
selection screen. On that screen, I clicked the Back button again, to
bring me back to the installation repo list. Here I checked off the
middle choice in the repo list ("Fedora 14 updates", if memory serves
me.) A dialog box comes up stating it is gathering information about the
repo, and it gathers for a very long, long time! I then click the 'next'
button, which becomes shaded, and a freeze up happens. Things are locked
up for a minute or two, then if I recall, a dialog box appears and
informs me that an unexpected crash happened. I'm asked to report the
crash. I want to do this, and I think a list of reporting choices was
offered. I checked off Bugzilla, but when prompted for my username and
password, I realize I've forgotten my password.
So I clicked cancel, and I think that dumped me out of the graphical
installer and into a text-based "(pdb)" shell. From there, I manually
ejected the boot.iso CD and powered the system down.
What I believe should have happened is: there should not have been
missing dependencies for the packages I selected. The process should
have continued with packages, including dependencies, installed. When
the user clicks the "Back" button to change an earlier choice, all
choices should be changeable and anaconda should not crash as a result
of (apparently...I appreciate the real reason is unknown at this time)
changing an earlier choice and then clicking the "next" button.
So that is the end of my install experience for this evening. I'll try
again soon.
Bob Cochran
Greenbelt, Maryland, USA
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Re: Testing f14 anaconda
I'll try doing this this evening on an x86_64 system. I already grabbed the DVD iso (thank you, FIOS!) It seems a fun project! What size USB key did you use? Bob On 10/16/2010 12:17 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > There is currently version anaconda-14.20-1.fc14 in updates-testing > but I seem to be the only one who has tested it ( At least according > to bodhi comments) . It would be nice if this could be pushed into > the main f14 repo so that it is included in the F14 builds ahead of > release. > > I tested tc1.1 for a DVD install, but this still has the previous > version of anaconda in it. > > If anyone wants to test the new version of anaconda from > updates-testing it may be useful if I detail what I did to test it for > an install. Then others could do something similar. I used a usbkey > for install but other methods could adapt the same basic idea and > would be good to test an alternative method. > > I downloaded the tc1.1 DVD iso from > http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/14.TC1.1/Fedora/i386/iso/ > as well as the boot.iso from > http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/14.TC1.1/Fedora/i386/os/images/ > > Then I used the script from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bcl > i.e. the file "upd_bootiso" referenced from that web page, and > executed it with the new anaconda rpm downloaded from a mirror for f14 > updates-testing so that a new boot.iso was written containing the new > anaconda. This gave a file new-boot.iso in /tmp/ which I renamed back > to boot.iso to be used as the test install file. > > What I then did was to prepare a usbkey for the install in an f13 > system, plugging in the usbkey and then executing as root: > umount /dev/sdb1 (since my key was sdb) > > Then > livecd-iso-to-disk --reset-mbr path-to/boot.iso /dev/sdb1 > prepares the key as a bootable device - ready to boot the new boot.iso > > The last stage was to copy the DVD iso onto the key as well. > > To test I booted from the key and this initiated the install onto the > laptop using the new version of anconda (and checked on screen as the > install began)- it then referenced the DVD iso on the usbkey - the > only watchpoint was to switch the writing of grub onto the MBR of the > internal HD rather than the default /dev/sdb by selecting "Switch > Device" at the bootloader settings screen, and swapping the setting of > first and second BIOS drive so that grub goes onto the MBR of /dev/sda > rather than /dev/sdb > > The install for me was then uneventful and completed normally - and I > have added a comment in bodhi with positive karma. > > If anyone else can run a test then presumably with karma +2 the new > anaconda package would get used in the next compose for rc ahead of > GA? > > Would be nice if someone else could test for an install. > -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Where Are The Very Latest Fedora 14 iso's?
Where can I find the very latest Fedora 14 iso's? I finally have time to play with it a little and could install something tonight. Bob -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: heads-up: upstart reversion coming soon
I think it is wise to revert. Bob On 09/14/2010 05:46 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > So, fesco seem to have voted not to take systemd for f14 in the meeting > today. this means we'll need to revert to upstart for Beta, which gives > us a tight schedule for Beta RC1. Bill Nottingham says he'll work on the > reversion, but it'll need testing; this is a heads-up that if people can > plan to spend a bit of time testing reverting their systems to upstart > tomorrow it'd be very helpful. I'll try and post procedures and so forth > to the list ASAP. Note that I'm in a European time zone ATM so I'll be > asleep for the next while, but my posts on the stuff should probably > come quite 'early' tomorrow for those of you in North America. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora On MacBook Pro
Thank you, Zoltan and Mark. I'm trying to figure my way around the Mac platform. But I want my Fedora, Ubuntu and Windows too. I don't even know if the MacBook Pro will show a BIOS screen. Ir if it will boot from USB or DVD. Still, it is just an Intel motherboard and processor stuffed into an aluminum shell, and it can't be that hard to figure it out. Bob On 09/06/2010 06:32 PM, Mark West wrote: > Yes it is possible. A free alternative to VMware or Parallels Desktop > is a software known as Virtual Box. I have tested Virtual Box myself > and have found that the installation is not always as simple as it > seems and it may take several trys but after installation Virtual Box > works much better than VMware or Parallels Desktop. Virtual Box is > maintained and produced by Sun Microsystems. > mark west > Fedora Bug Zappers Volunteer Team > > On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 5:26 AM, Zoltan Kota <mailto:zolt...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 2:37 AM, Bob Cochran > mailto:bcochra...@verizon.net>> wrote: > > Is it possible to install Fedora on an Apple MacBook Pro? > > Yes, it should be. I have an F13 parallel with MacOSX on my Macbook > Pro (2 years old). > First of all, you can check if you can boot your machine with a > Fedora Live CD. > > Zoltan > -- > test mailing list > test@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:test@lists.fedoraproject.org> > To unsubscribe: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test > > -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: splash screen on install
Already a known issue. It's been noted as such for a while. Bob Cochran On 09/05/2010 10:38 PM, Yves Dorfsman wrote: > I just installed F14, and the first screen when I boot the install image is > the old "f13" splah screen. Is this supposed to be fixed later, or should I > open a bug (I could not find one in bugzilla)? > -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Fedora On MacBook Pro
Is it possible to install Fedora on an Apple MacBook Pro? Thanks Bob Cochran -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Fedora 14 Nightly Compose Install
Someone kindly pointed me to http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/ to grab a Fedora 14 live image and I helped myself to the "Deskstop" x86_64 image yesterday. Installed this on an old x86_64 system with an Asrock motherboard. The installation actually went pretty nicely and was quick, and it did sort of boot. But the boot process came to a halt with an error message that I've forgotten and dumped me into a bash shell, when I was expecting a graphical login screen. A 'yum update' didn't fix things. Running 'startx' from the bash prompt didn't work. I did ome Googling and maybe I'll check the grub configuration for 'nomodeset' entries to remove. Maybe I'll just install Fedora 13 on this hardware and wait a bit on 14 even though Firefox x86_64 in Fedora 13 appears to bring the entire graphical system to its knees. Or maybe there is a bug in metacity. Thanks Bob Cochran -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Firefox out of date
He's trying to tell you that you hijacked the thread, Martin. Perhaps you could have asked about BBC in a separate forum and, of course, a separate thread. The specific question asked by the original poster was: why is Firefox in Fedora 14 out of date? Then you hijacked it. Bob Cochran On 08/31/2010 04:38 PM, martin tack wrote: > > > 2010/8/31 Genes MailLists mailto:li...@sapience.com>> > > On 08/31/2010 04:00 PM, martin tack wrote: > > > quote :*This page is best viewed in an up-to-date web browser > with style > > sheets (CSS) enabled. > > > > and quote : **Please consider upgrading your browser software or > > enabling style sheets (CSS) if you are able to do so. > > > > I dont use firefox any more (I find g-chrome faster and better) - but > if you had in the past used a user-agent plugin - then that turd does > not go away even when you remove the plugin. > > > You may want to do about:config and search for useragent or > somesuch - > am doing this from memory so name may not be exact. > > > gene/ > -- > test mailing list > test@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:test@lists.fedoraproject.org> > To unsubscribe: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test > > > Thanks for the reply Gene > > No go , had already a look in about:config , for CSS . Seems alright . > > Have now done a search for No-Script and Ad-Block and user-agent > > all looks well ? ! > > May give it a try ,and "yum reinstall firefox". > > That's the first time in 5 year or so , having a prob with FF . > > */Thanks to all/* , I'll report after "reinstall" > > -- > Tack Martin > > -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Where To Get Fedora 14?
On 08/30/2010 06:06 PM, Fulko Hew wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Bob Cochran <mailto:bcochra...@verizon.net>> wrote: > > I need to set up a slightly old desktop machine for a quite > different, > nonsensitive project, and I thought I'd try Fedora 14 on it. > > Where can I download a Fedora 14 iso? > > I am specifically looking to use it to print to an old Xerox > Workcentre > XD100 printer, which is a parallel printer. Can I just plug in the > parallel cable and get Fedora to install the right the printer driver? > > > I'd recommend going to this web site to check on printer support for > your specific printer. > > http://www.openprinting.org/printers Thank you, it doesn't seem to list one. Perhaps there aren't any, or the XD100 doesn't have critical mass any more. Not a Fedora question I know -- but is it hard to write a driver for these devices? Could I author one as an unwashed device driver newbie and expect to succeed? I am an experienced applications programmer, but I've never written a device driver before. Thanks Bob Cochran -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Where To Get Fedora 14?
I need to set up a slightly old desktop machine for a quite different, nonsensitive project, and I thought I'd try Fedora 14 on it. Where can I download a Fedora 14 iso? I am specifically looking to use it to print to an old Xerox Workcentre XD100 printer, which is a parallel printer. Can I just plug in the parallel cable and get Fedora to install the right the printer driver? Thanks Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland, USA -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
