Re: How to know what broken dependencies in F22 with dnf

2015-05-06 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 06 May 2015 01:18:09 +0100
Sérgio Basto ser...@serjux.com wrote:
 with: 
 yum update
 I got : 
 Yum command has been deprecated, redirecting to '/usr/bin/dnf update'

locate yum-dep
man yum-deprecated
For me meant
ln */yum-deprecated */yumd
added one letter to my yum bits.

I currently use both (testing dnf)
Having separate caches, means one doesn't bork the other.
Thought dnf-migrate can remove your cached yum rpm collection
if not careful.

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Group lists but doesn't exist.

2015-04-27 Thread Frank Murphy

First release I've used dnf on in a while,
so I may be missing something.


sudo dnf install @development-tools
Warning: Group 'development-tools' does not exist.
Error: Nothing to do.

Try it the other way: 
sudo dnf groupinstall Development Tools
Warning: Group 'development-tools' does not exist.
Error: Nothing to do.

So then I do.
$ dnf grouplist
 Development Tools

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Re: vlc and f22

2015-04-23 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 11:56:19 +0200
Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de wrote:

 Hi F22 testers,
 
 anybody knows a trick to get vlc running in F22? I tried to install
 the F21 version, but this failed:
 snipped/

It's rpmfusion but..

Did the very thing this morning
Use your search engine of choice to find the old packages you need
from the repos. Download and install,
think rpm rather than dnf\yumd.

You end up with dupes of some rpms,
as the song goes ...the price you pay.

~$ vlc
VLC media player 2.2.0-rc2 Weatherwax (revision 2.2.0-rc1-118-g22fda39)
[00a9f118] core libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface.
Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface 

as the saying could have gone in an alternate reality  
you get to keep any broken bytes, sound or other.

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Re: DNF utils package?

2014-06-13 Thread Frank Murphy

 If DNF is going to replace yum, it should have reasonable equivalent
 tools. Those working on DNF should know about the yum-utils programs
 and the yum plugins we have already. Community means different to
 different people, Community of users or sysadmins? Users will likely
 never use yum-utils.
 
 Thanks,
 Shawn

User here.
yum-utils installed for years.
Every home PC user is a sysadmin by default.


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Re: Nasty Habits in Replying to Emails

2014-04-25 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 11:10:17 -0400
Mickey binary...@comcast.net wrote:

 Gentleman!!! when replying to a email LEAVE the contents of the
 orignal poster intact so the next person that reads the email can
 read what the poster had to say.
 
 PLEASE 

You can do that by reading the original email.
The list is archived.


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Re: rfc: expectations for partitioning, Fedora.next

2014-02-22 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:55:56 -0700
Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:

 and the user gets to
 choose a couple of variations: encryption, and a way to reuse an
 existing /home.
 

Personally,
I wouldn't be happy with too restrictive.

home lan setup

I setup fresh install Desktops with a min of four hds'
One partition per hd 
/boot + 2mb boot bios (or whatever it's called) ssd
/
/home + hd for each extra user if required
swap 

installed non LVM, ext4 luks

I can use 10-20 per server. (raid1)

# I've been hearing for years storage is cheap. 


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Re: 3.13

2014-02-19 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:12:14 +
Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX c...@omen.com
 wrote:
  Updated my office machine to 3.13 via  yum update.
 
 What is 3.13? Enquiring minds want to know.
 
 poc

kernel

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Supported CPUs'

2014-01-21 Thread Frank Murphy
Had a choice between here or kernel@

Apologies if it somewhere,
more grey hair  less grey matter.

Does test@ fedora give a heads up,
when cpus are no longer supported.
eg kernel-3-15* will no longer support 
AMD AM2, Intel whatever

Mister Google hasn't really returned specific info.
Q: fedora no longer supported cpu's
This was the closes result: 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F12X86Support


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Re: Supported CPUs'

2014-01-21 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 16:18:20 +0100
poma pomidorabelis...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
 Perhaps carried away by reading [1]. :)
 

No I have some older gear,
I don't like binning working kit.



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Re: F20, Adobe Reader, no choice of paper feeder, printer Canon MP540

2014-01-16 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:27:02 -0500 (EST)
Joerg Lechner julech...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi, printed a pdf via Adobe Reader 9. 

Try print with say evince see do you get the same problem.
Though kinda off-topic as F20 is already released.

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Re: '10 Years of Fedora' t-shirt

2014-01-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 18:51:59 +
Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:

 I got the original invitation several weeks ago and would have been
 happy to receive a shirt, but the address form is only for US
 residents. If the offer is restricted to the US it should say so.
 Otherwise the form should be fixed. I've tried several times to have
 this clarified. So far no-one has bothered to reply.
 
 poc


I'm not in the US 
just filled in the form to suit.
Got the tee ust after new years.



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Re: '10 Years of Fedora' t-shirt

2014-01-11 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 09:15:23 -0800
Richard Vickery richard.vicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Is it possible to get this mail sent out again? I missed it and would
 like a t-shirt as well. When did the email come out? Perhaps I will
 merely go to that date and time and reply.

Check is your name on the list to begin with:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F20_anniversary_tshirt

you may not have received an earlier email if not (on it).

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Re: any report of fedup f19-f20?

2013-12-19 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 10:39:04 +1300
Gavin Flower gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz wrote:
eapot never boils.
  It's an old English saying in fact :)
 Even an unwatched _*teapot*_ should not boil!
 

My Dad used boil it, crude oil yeuk!

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Re: Karma request: LibreOffice

2013-12-18 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 06:56:53 -0300
Carlos Morel-Riquelme quantenselbstm...@gmail.com wrote:

 libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts

Follow the build in Adam's email

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Re: F20: Updates-testing mirrors inoperable?

2013-12-06 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 10:41:30 +0100
Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 anybody sees this too if including the updates-testing repo to yum
 update:
 


Happened with me but still updated.


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No init found

2013-11-24 Thread Frank Murphy
How does one pass an init= option to the kernel?
On the kernel line I placed init=3
Still the same  problem on these two kernels
kernel-3.11.8-300.fc20.x86_64
kernel-3.11.9-300.fc20.x86_64

tune2fs -c 1 is running just in case, 
can't fin any apparent problem with the hd,
previous kernels boot fine.

Using the workarounds from:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=905683

The problem box is a core2quad, 8gb ram

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Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-20 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:49:14 -0600
Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net wrote:

 Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com said:
  I think that for a sake of everyone who can see a swastika on this
  wallpaper, just change it to something else.
 
 I disagree.  There will _always_ be somebody that can find fault
 with anything (especially something as subjective as artwork); you
 can't just throw away somebody's work because somebody sees
 something they don't like.
 
 I just see a slanted H, which I presume to be the intent.

Agree, it's Pandora's Box, and no that's not sexist.

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Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 11:25:52 -0800
James Patterson jamespatter...@operamail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I noticed the new Fedora 20 wallpaper looks like a swastika. It
 would be great if it didn't for the final release, it would upset a
 few people.

Are you Jewish or German, serious question?
If neither why do you presume they are all blind and deaf?

When we hear from same it can then be removed.
Please lets not tell others how they think

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Re: Fedora 20 Swastika

2013-11-19 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 23:00:30 -0500
Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:

 While I do not want to overrule any decisions made, I would like to
 note that asking for self-selected opinions (in a
 not-the-most-diverse community) on whether an item is potentially
 offensive to a minority is a somewhat problematic methodology.
 (That we have done in the past for Beefy Miracle, so... I may be a
 hypocrite.)
 
 Bill

In Fedora as in life , someone is always going to take umbrage.
Get a wider audience the user list, ask Fedora, etc..

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yum update kernel, culprit?

2013-11-05 Thread Frank Murphy
Anyone else see this?

the last two kernels, I have updated with yum update
put the following into /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
snipped
linux   /vmlinuz-kernel-3.11.7-300.fc20.x86_64
root=/dev/mapper/luks-alphanumericbit

Has to be fixed before reboot with grub2-mkconfig
which puts in:
root=root=UUID=alphanumericbit

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no journal on one box. F20

2013-10-27 Thread Frank Murphy
~$ systemctl status systemd-journald.service
systemd-journald.service - Journal Service
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/systemd-journald.service;
static) Active: active (running) since Sun 2013-10-27 07:23:50 GMT;
1h 3min ago
Docs: man:systemd-journald.service(8) man:journald.conf(5)
 Main PID: 28067 (systemd-journal)
   Status: Processing requests...
   CGroup: /system.slice/systemd-journald.service
   └─28067 /usr/lib/systemd/systemd-journald


~$ journalctl
No journal files were found

If I reinstall systemd* it works for a while,
can't see any cronjob (of mine), 
that would cause journal to be removed.

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ptouch print driver?

2013-10-25 Thread Frank Murphy
Which driver below would this be reported if any.

F20.Xfce.64bit Fully updated

Testing a Brother Ptouch QL-560
using ql-550 driver
ptouch-driver-1.3-11.fc20.x86_64
ptouch-driver-foomatic-1.3-11.fc20.noarch

In the printer settings window, 
(system-config-printer, ql-560 properties)
when trying to print a test glabel, I see the following:

Processing - Unknown RLE flag at 0x1fd76a3: '0x00'
Just a flashing light on the printer

picked up as
usb://Brother/QL-560?serial=D9G505531

/var/log/cups/error_log
has lots of:
snipped
E [25/Oct/2013:10:56:55 +0100] [Job 124] Unknown RLE flag at
0xc4abbf: '0x00'
E [25/Oct/2013:10:56:55 +0100] [Job 124] Unknown RLE flag at
0xc4ac0c: '0x02'
E [25/Oct/2013:10:56:55 +0100] [Job 124] Unknown RLE flag at
0xc4ac0d: '0x00'
E [25/Oct/2013:10:56:55 +0100] [Job 124] Unknown RLE flag at
0xc4ac5a: '0x02'
E [25/Oct/2013:10:56:55 +0100] [Job 124] Unknown RLE flag at
0xc4ac5b: '0x00'
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Re: Useful headers in Bugzilla mails [Fwd: Re: abrt Bugzilla summary]

2013-10-23 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 01:15:19 -0700
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:

There in claws-mail
preferences  Message View  text options 
Display headers in message view edit

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Re: Lost keyboard layout in F20 after each reboot

2013-10-11 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 11:17:04 +0200
Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de wrote:

 Hi testers,
 
 I'm running F20 with all updates applied.
 

man localectl,
should help you out
localectl list-x11-keymap-variants
locateectl list-keymaps


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Cannot execute init

2013-10-07 Thread Frank Murphy
Pre-systemd days since I got one of these.

kernel-debug in use.
No lvm in use
all ext4 bar usb*
/dev/sda1 = /boot
/dev/sdb1 = / luks
/dev/sdc1 = /home
/dev/sdd1 = /home/user/torrents
/dev/sde1 = swap
/dev/sd* = usb luks unlocker

have re-done grub2-install /devsda
grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg

Was failed fedup F19  F20
finished up with
F17 netinstall and fedora-upgrade

What to pass to init=
After looking at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Dracut_problems

is debug-shell the only option?

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Re: Moving away from reporting to RH bugzilla and adopting pure upstream reporting mantra.

2013-09-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:28:18 +
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 09/24/2013 12:19 PM, Jonathan Kamens wrote:
  . In fact, there are four stakeholders: QA, packagers, upstream,
  and users. What efforts are being made to solicit useful feedback
  from all four groups?
 
 ?
 
 There are 2 stake holders in this
 
 1 QA Community ( which includes reporters ) 2 the developers
 ( which includes packagers as well )
 
 JBG

+ Infra, which will have to run, if possible any scheme.
Haven't they said no?

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Re: Moving away from reporting to RH bugzilla and adopting pure upstream reporting mantra.

2013-09-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:36:08 +
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Infra is not maintaining any bugzilla instances RH is and infra has 
 refused to put up project's own instance so I'm not sure what you
 are getting at.
 
 JBG
 

So, basically you want users to go find the bugzilla,
I can see how the will help keep the distro running,
unless you just want QA, and Packagers only using it.

For one, I won't be signing up to every site to track bugs,
if bz is broke, help fix it!

Not create a whole new batch of problems.

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Re: Moving away from reporting to RH bugzilla and adopting pure upstream reporting mantra.

2013-09-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:44:02 +
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not sure what that response is supposed to be adding to the 
 discussion since it's a well known fact the discomfort it brings to 
 reporters to have them go upstream to report.

I've added it because have stated bugs go unanswered.
That is the problem need fixing, not bugzilla.

Is missing maintainer period too long?
Extra co-maintainers needed, with commit access?

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Re: Moving away from reporting to RH bugzilla and adopting pure upstream reporting mantra.

2013-09-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:04:18 +
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote:

  I've added it because have stated bugs go unanswered.
  That is the problem need fixing, not bugzilla.
 
 There are 4 reasons that happens.
 
 1. the packager is gone awol

1a: Not a buzilla problem, housekeeping

 2. the packager does not know how to fix

2a: If it a bug, that is know upstream link it,
if it's fedora packing\config issue, help him understand

 3. the maintainer lacks time to fix it.

3a: Then should he be maintainer, if he cannot maintain?


 4. bugzilla is not the interface the maintainer finds effective so
 he ignores it

It it part of fedora, help him learn it's ways

 
 
  Is missing maintainer period too long?
  Extra co-maintainers needed, with commit access?
 
  Now can you throw as much endeavour into helping resolve that
 
 
 To effectively resolve that you need to reduce the total number of 
 components in the distribution as well as how many components
 maintainer is allowed to maintain as well as finding the
 communication interface with the maintainer which he finds
 effective.

Agreed, or get maintainers in, and help them understand Fedora ways.
But, I agree if John Does, want to bring in package foo,
as his admittance price. Then he best know it's every inch.

 
 Reporting upstream is one solution to the interface problem,

What if they too have bugzilla, bummer.
The problem with many upstream is the dreaded Works for me

 detecting poorly maintained packages as well as orphaning
 unmaintained packages and coming up with a time sharing program
 takes care of the rest.

(1a) ^


 
 With the exception of reporting directly upstream which I have been 
 always against, I pointed out the other things and you can find the 
 discussion surrounding that in the archives on devel.
 
I'm not against reporting upstream, for a specific issue,
where maintainer has said, can you please report upstream, 
as problem is agnostic.

Gnome is a special case, as upstream  downstream can be overlapped,
and the gnome-sig know their pkgs.

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Re: Moving away from reporting to RH bugzilla and adopting pure upstream reporting mantra.

2013-09-23 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 21:49:23 +
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings you all
 
 After bit of irc discussion there is a compelling reason to move 
 entirely away from Red Hat bugzilla as well as away from concept of 
 hosting our own.
 

There is also a thread on infra
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/infrastructure/2013-September/013464.html
The Jury is still out,  along with the rest of the court.

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F20 RC4 Rescue Mode

2013-09-22 Thread Frank Murphy
netinstall rescue mode no go,
not in test matrix netinstall, so added to:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=908118

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F20 x86_64 boot.iso

2013-08-27 Thread Frank Murphy
In rescue mode, cannot find any linux partitions.
luks partitions.

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Re: NetworkManager F20 online but no connnection [SOLVED]

2013-08-24 Thread Frank Murphy
rm /etc/systemd/system/*.service

systemctl enable (above removed).service

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Cannot reboot as logged in user

2013-08-24 Thread Frank Murphy
~$ reboot
User lightdm is logged in on seat0.
Please retry operation after closing inhibitors and logging out other
users. Alternatively, ignore inhibitors and users with 'systemctl
reboot -i'.

plain english for above

init 3, same user can reboot as expected

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NetworkManager F20 online but no connnection

2013-08-23 Thread Frank Murphy
I'm on the www, posting this.
NM-Applet show no active connection found?

 ifconfig
eth0: flags=4163UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST  mtu 1500
inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

dmesg | grep eth
[   34.491811] r8169 :04:00.0 eth0: RTL8168evl/8111evl at
0xc9c3c000, 90:2b:34:c8:80:22, XID 0c900800 IRQ 45
[   34.493623] r8169 :04:00.0 eth0: jumbo features [frames: 9200
bytes, tx checksumming: ko] [   58.830145] r8169 :04:00.0 eth0:
link down [   58.830808] r8169 :04:00.0 eth0: link down
[   58.831863] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[   61.756928] r8169 :04:00.0 eth0: link up [   61.757613] IPv6:
ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready

How does one proceed, nm, dbus, aliens?

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Re: NetworkManager F20 online but no connnection

2013-08-23 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:37:17 -0700
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:

 On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 17:12 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
  I'm on the www, posting this.
  NM-Applet show no active connection found?
 
 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706098

I'm on Xfce, with very limited gnome*.rpms installed.


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Re: Last two kernel updates

2013-08-05 Thread Frank Murphy
Do you have luks encrypted partitions, with maybe a keyfile to open them?


On 5 August 2013 04:00, ergodic g...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Felix and Sandro, thanks for your replies.

 Basically booting fails defaulting to the maintenance mode option.

 In maintenance mode parsing the 'journalctl' log shows the following
 failure messages:

  * systemd-modules-load[236]: Failed to load 'uinput'  Function not
 implemented.

  * Failed to start Load Kernel Modules

  * Failed to mount /sdx/foo/foo (several partitions)

  * Dependency failed for local file system

 This problem was introduced by the update to 'kernel-3.10.4-200
 .fc19.x86_64'
 and has continued with the last update.  The system functions very well
 with the previous kernels.

 Cheers

 - Original Message -
 On 2013-08-04 20:45 (GMT-0400) ergodic composed:

  Can not boot with either 'kernel-3.10.4-200.fc19.x86_64' or 'kernel-
 3.10.4-300.fc19.x86_64'
  Has any one had this problem?

  Currently running with kernel-3.9.9-301.fc19.x86_64.

 kernel-3.10.4-300.fc19.x86_64 is booting fine here. Did you try booting
 from
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Re: how do I tell what release yum upgrade will give me?

2013-07-31 Thread Frank Murphy
distroverpkg=your_own_rawhide_file
snipped
*
Yum* obtains the value of $releasever from the distroverpkg=value line in
the /etc/yum.conf
/snipped
,it goes to *release, if above line not present.


On 31 July 2013 03:48, T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com
 wrote:
  There isn't a particularly easy way, you just have to make sure
  fedora-release-rawhide is installed and tweak the enabled repos, AFAIK.
  I guess if you edited the .repo files directly they wouldn't get
  overridden on updates? I haven't really played with it much, to be
  honest, I just adjust as necessary for whatever I'm trying to do as I go
  along.

 That won't work.  fedora-release just Obsoletes fedora-release-rawhide
 at the branch point [1] so fedora-rawhide.repo is removed completely.

 The only way to avoid it would be to prevent yum from honoring the
 obsoletes the first time you update after the branch, but that really
 isn't any easier than just reinstalling fedora-release-rawhide after
 the fact.

 -T.C.

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 http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/fedora-release.git/commit/?h=f19id=756e5e18042c4f820fb6059e640747a7a2b1e2a0
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Re: how do I tell what release yum upgrade will give me?

2013-07-30 Thread Frank Murphy
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Deployment_Guide/sec-Using_Yum_Variables.html


On 30 July 2013 07:59, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:

 On Tue, 2013-07-30 at 02:16 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
  On 2013-07-29 22:51 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
 
   how do those who want to keep a system on Rawhide instead of
   switching to branch after each branch occurs do it?
 
   There isn't a particularly easy way, you just have to make sure
   fedora-release-rawhide is installed and tweak the enabled repos, AFAIK.
   I guess if you edited the .repo files directly they wouldn't get
   overridden on updates?
 
  If by tweaking you mean manual manipulation of /etc/yum.repos.d/
 content,
  I'd need a howto. I don't do so well on my own messing with config files
  containing $ /or ? in URLs.

 No, I actually use the GUI (!!!) for that. I've no idea what it does,
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Re: Rawhide - Calibre

2013-07-21 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 09:03:05 -0400
Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 01:42:31PM +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
  Asking here in case just a Calibre problem
  
 Are you using the rpm or the download from Calibre's site?  Note
 that they do recommend one does not use a distro's version.
 
 

Using Rawhide version.


  
  Can't convert pdf to epub
  
  snip
  EPUB output written to /tmp/calibre_0.9.40_tmp_OVlAPS/Tl9egG.epub
  ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 15446, errno
  = 32
 
 I just tried on F19 (using the version downloaded from Cablibre's
 site) and it converted without problem.
 

I've many Apress pdf only books.
No hassle in the castle

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Re: Rawhide - Calibre

2013-07-21 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 09:21:27 -0400
Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 I'd recommend at least trying with Calibre's own download and see
 if that works.  Also, for what it's worth, apparently, if you buy
 an apress book in any format, you can then download another
 format.  In addition, it seems as if their pdfs prior to 2010 were
 password protected.

All were re-downloaded, but many books never available outside pdf.
They said it wasn't viable, similarly Informit.

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SOLVED Re: Rawhide - Calibre

2013-07-21 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sun, 21 Jul 2013 17:46:45 +0200
Lars Seipel lars.sei...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 09:03:05AM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
  Are you using the rpm or the download from Calibre's site?  Note
  that they do recommend one does not use a distro's version.
 
 Did they fix the serious security problems in the upstream-provided
 packages? They used to install some exploitable helper program suid
 root. The Fedora package (and most other distros') stripped that
 binary and made Calibre use a more secure mechanism.
 


bz created:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=986682

workaround for me, for now:
rm -f ~/.ICEauthority



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systemd-cryptsetup - crypttab -keyfile F20

2013-07-10 Thread Frank Murphy
Have glanced at:
http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-cryptsetup-generator.html


I have a keyfile for all luks, excluding /root which is passphrase.
keyfiles is stored in /root
The /root is the only luks-foo listed in /etc/grub2.cfg
Has worked up to recently.

How can I force systemd to use /etc/crypttab, and ignore itself
(systemd-cryptsetup), if that is the ideal option.

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Rawhide: /run/initramfs/sosreport.txt stuck.

2013-07-09 Thread Frank Murphy
Am running Rawhide on a Dell Vostro 200.

This is the only kernel that works (F19 days)
kernel-3.9.8-300.fc19.x86_64

F20 kernels fails at cryptsetup my root device


Am left at the following prompt:
:#/
following the instructions at the prompt,
mount /boot 
mount is not recongised.
as is not cp, or any other command.

How to proceed?

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Re: Rawhide: /run/initramfs/sosreport.txt stuck.

2013-07-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 11:35:32 +0100
Bryn M. Reeves b...@redhat.com wrote:

 On 07/09/2013 09:44 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
  Am running Rawhide on a Dell Vostro 200.
  
  This is the only kernel that works (F19 days)
  kernel-3.9.8-300.fc19.x86_64
  
  F20 kernels fails at cryptsetup my root device
  
  
  Am left at the following prompt:
  :#/
  following the instructions at the prompt,
  mount /boot 
  mount is not recongised.
  as is not cp, or any other command.
  
  How to proceed?
  
 
 Hi Frank,
 
 I'm puzzled by the sosreport.txt mentioned in the subject.
 
 Sos does not normally write anything under /run and the string
 'sosreport.txt' does not exist anywhere in the package

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=921887

 so I'm
 wondering where this path comes from (and how it's related to your
 boot problem)?
 

these days, post systemd I don't know all the realms
but that's what comes up:
The last prober line on screen is:
started cryptography setup 
/dev/mapper/luks-f9034624-98d6-4987-a2bc-b9614f0304a4
it stayse there a least 2\3 minutes,
then drops to said prompt.
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Re: Rawhide: /run/initramfs/sosreport.txt stuck.

2013-07-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 09:44:59 +0100
Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=982608

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Re: F19 - networking problem questions

2013-07-03 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 11:47:53 +0300
Cristian Sava cs...@central.ucv.ro wrote:


 
 After updating aujour:
 
 The external network is not reachable anymore but the internal
 network is ok if NM is enabled and working.
 This setup does not work with network service anymore.
 Any advice how to fix (not downgrade-ing?)?
 
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=980785
 
 C. Sava
 


http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
try on the kernel line net.ifnames=0
or add to /etc/default/grub 
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= some other stuff net.ifnames=0
grub2-install /boot/grub2/grub.cfg

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Re: F19 - networking problem questions

2013-07-03 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 03 Jul 2013 20:52:52 +0200
Mateusz Marzantowicz mmarzantow...@osdf.com.pl wrote:

 Shouldn't be grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg?
 

Yes, I need to go watch TV :(

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Re: Fedora 19 Final status, testing/karma requests and needed fixes

2013-06-19 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:26:12 -0600
Tim Flink tfl...@redhat.com wrote:


  Are we going to start getting non-desktop type live images or have
  those all been dropped for f19?
 
 They were moved for F19 and are now in the Spins/arch directory
 instead of the Live/arch dir..
 
 I'm seeing MATE, LXDE, XFCE and SoaS unless you were looking for
 one of the other spins. I'm not sure those are being built for F19
 
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Other Gnome\KDE based spins usually appear at final.


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Re: consider people with poor vision

2013-06-19 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:59:57 -0300
Bruno Medeiros bruno...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 I don't need this problem fixed personally, but if I were in
 position, I would consider ideas to fix the problem for people who
 have it, specially if the problem is a big problem (not being able
 to read the text, for example).

My daughter since age 12  (now 23) is almost blind in one eye,
bad vision in the other. Her solution to small text PC or otherwise
a magnifying glass on a cap.
Which gave her back large text.

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Re: yum question Is this ok [y/d/N]:

2013-06-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:43:21 +0200
Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 can anybody explain the meaning of d in the yum prompt
 Is this ok [y/d/N]:? Googling this, I found this question too,
 but no answer.
 

The same as putting yum --downloadonly

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Re: yum question Is this ok [y/d/N]:

2013-06-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:22:24 +0530
Someone Somewhere somewheresomeon...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think it should stand for yes/default/no.+
 Default action may be different depending on the scrnario. Eg while
 installing it may be yes but qhile erasing it may be a no.
 Can someone confirm if my interpretation is correct?

You are incorrect.

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Re: Rawhide restrace server error

2013-05-18 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 18 May 2013 15:52:15 +0800
Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 When I want to report bugs via ABRT it returns with:
 
 The release 'fedora-20-i386' is not supported by the Retrace server.
 
 Any ideas?

File a bug against the retrace-server 
bugzilla.redhat.com

with whatever you can grab from the fail.


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F18 updates-testing broken?

2013-05-04 Thread Frank Murphy
Getting this on two 64 bit boxes


updates-testing/18/x86_64/updateinfo
| 924 kB  00:00:00 An update notice is broken, or duplicate,
skipping: FEDORA-2013-4957 An update notice is broken, or duplicate,
skipping: FEDORA-2013-4952 An update notice is broken, or duplicate,
skipping: FEDORA-2013-0808 An update notice is broken, or duplicate,
skipping: FEDORA-2012-20348 An update notice is broken, or duplicate,
skipping: FEDORA-2013-0437 An update notice is broken, or duplicate,
skipping: FEDORA-2012-20572
snipped/ 

did: yum clean all; 
rm -rfv /var/lib/yum/yumdb; 
rm -f /usr/var/lib/rpm/__* (just in case)
rpm --rebuilddb

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Re: F18 updates-testing broken?

2013-05-04 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 04 May 2013 21:19:25 +0800
Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote:

 On 05/04/13 18:45, Frank Murphy wrote:
  Getting this on two 64 bit boxes
 
 3.0.16-3.fc18  updates-testing
 espeak.x86_64   1.47.08-1.fc18
 updates-testing
 
 and so on
 

Curious some work here, some don't.
An update notice is broken, or duplicate, skipping: FEDORA-2013-1371
An update notice is broken, or duplicate, skipping: FEDORA-2013-1375
Resolving Dependencies
-- Running transaction check
--- Package PyQt4.x86_64 0:4.10-1.fc18 will be updated
 

the top dupe. above seems to be:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/package-announce/2013-February/098139.html
which I don't have:
# rpm -q tinymce-spellchecker
package tinymce-spellchecker is not installed

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Re: Has there been a change in the timeout for decrypting drive for F19?

2013-03-30 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 12:25:38 -0600
Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote:
 something I missed in F18.
 

It was a bug spawned in F18, some like it, some don't


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Fw: RAWHIDE USERS: BEWARE RPM 4.11.0-0.beta1.2.fc19!

2013-01-29 Thread Frank Murphy


Begin forwarded message:

Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:09:49 +0200
From: Panu Matilainen pmati...@laiskiainen.org
To: de...@lists.fedoraproject.org, For testers of Fedora development
releases test@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: RAWHIDE USERS:
BEWARE RPM 4.11.0-0.beta1.2.fc19!



Apologies for shouting but we have a genuine, rare, rpmdb-eating bug 
(shade of dark paperbag) at hand:

DO NOT UPGRADE TO rpm-4.11.0-0.beta1.2.fc19!

The buggy version is expected to appear in todays rawhide-push. I've 
built a new version where the broken %ghost-related patch is reverted 
but there's a day-long danger-zone before the new build will be
pushed.

It's best just to avoid upgrading to the buggy rpm version at all, but
if you have already happened to update to it one way or the other,
DONT PANIC but BACK UP /var/lib/rpm/ before anything else. Merely
upgrading to that version wont kill your rpmdb, but on the next
update of rpm itself, it will COMPLETELY ERASE /var/lib/rpm/
contents. Recovering isn't exactly hard if you have an up-to-date
backup, but otherwise...

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Rawhide Critical-Path @installed How?

2013-01-26 Thread Frank Murphy
I ran repoquery -q @critical-path-xfce

got back xfce-session\settings.
How can I work out what critpath,
I have installed, as against the repos.
tried repoquery -q @critical-path-base | grep @installed
similar commands tried

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 12:24:33 +0100
drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:


 
 The reply from Andrew renders this moot. If upstream is willing to
 maintain MySQL in Fedora then the whole replace it because it is
 hard to maintain does not make sense. We should either stay with
 MySQL or ship both but there is no reason to replace it anymore.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:58:00 -0300
Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote:

 As one commenter says
 Oracle is using RHEL source code to create Oracle Enterprise Linux
 and compete directly with Red Hat's server products. 

Shock horror, no idea where this Cent or Scientific stuff came from?

Thus, one can
 easily imagine a bit of enmity at Red Hat towards Oracle. As well
 as a desire to 'stick it' to Oracle by replacing MySQL with MariaDB
 in Fedora's LAMP stack. 

Have you heard of OpenOffice?

 

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Re: [rawhide] Re: Rawhide heads up: Booting in enforcing mode doesn't seem to work

2013-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:35:03 -0700
Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote:

 On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 10:32:06 -0500
 Daniel J Walsh dwa...@redhat.com wrote:
 
 Perhaps some early testers could pick it out of koji after it's
 built?
 
 kevin

I usually do, I run pure koji,
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Re: Anyone else seeing yum running slow in rawhide?

2013-01-23 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:01:32 -0600
Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:

 
 Was there any change to yum that would have potentially caused this?

I'm convinced there is a speed increase.
Even with createrepo rebuilding a local repo.

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[Rawhide] Unmatched Entries

2013-01-20 Thread Frank Murphy
What's a faulty module?
I don't use fingerprints.

**Unmatched Entries**
lightdm: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_fprintd.so:
1 Time(s) lightdm: PAM unable to
dlopen(/lib/security/pam_fprintd.so): /lib/security/pam_fprintd.so:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory: 1 Time(s)
polkit-agent-helper-1: PAM adding faulty
module: /lib/security/pam_fprintd.so: 1 Time(s)
polkit-agent-helper-1: PAM unable to
dlopen(/lib/security/pam_fprintd.so): /lib/security/pam_fprintd.so:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory: 1 Time(s)
polkitd: /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d/lightdm.rules:3: action=[Action
id='org.freedesktop.login1.power-off']: 1 Time(s)
polkitd: /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d/lightdm.rules:3: action=[Action
id='org.freedesktop.login1.reboot']: 1 Time(s)
polkitd: /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d/lightdm.rules:4:
snipped /

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Re: Bad memory

2013-01-18 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:01:41 -0800
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com wrote:
 
 Option 2 has already been tried.  The old motherboard was checked
 with memtest86+ before being placed in service running omen.com.
 
Maybe use an out of box solution: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IomAerbV7g


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Re: Bad memory

2013-01-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:18:40 -0800
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R c...@omen.com wrote:

 Recently I discovered the motherboard that had been running omen.com
 had an undetected bad memory chip.   This is a real confidence
 builder.
 
 Currently, running a definitive memory test requires hours of down
 time. The user mode memory tester has serious limitations.
 


Option 2, but a stick of ram.
Less fannying about.


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Re: Upgrade

2013-01-16 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:34:19 -0600
Francisco Vazquez fcov...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello I just upgraded from 17 to 18 using fedup via network and
 everything went smooth, but when attempting to the last message I
 get to loading from ramdisk ...   message but never get to load
 the new version. 

yum update kernel ?


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Re: Yum Upgrade -- A couple of issues

2013-01-16 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 12:27:28 +0100
Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I upgraded F17 - F18 using the fedora-upgrade method. 

Do yuo mean you did a yum-upgrade as per Subject,
or fedup-cli (fedora-upgrade method)

either case a yum distro-sync,
may not go astray, 
even if just for checking porpoises.

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Re: [Test-Announce] Announcing the release of Fedora 18.

2013-01-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:56:29 +0100
Brendan Jones brendan.jones...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Well done all! Much kudos to the QA team.
 
 
you do know about email trimming ;)


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Re: kernel headers

2013-01-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 04:57:49 -0700
Lawrence Graves lgrave...@gmail.com wrote:

 Everyone is blaming the inability of vmware workstation to compile
 on vmware/ nvidia people, when theerror message received says it
 can't find where the C file is located to compile. 

What c file?
can you cp the error to fpaste.com?

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[Rawhide] dhclient seg. out this morning?

2013-01-12 Thread Frank Murphy

Anyone else having problems getting
their network cards to play ball this morning?

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Re: kernel headers

2013-01-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 05:09:41 -0700
Lawrence Graves lgrave...@gmail.com wrote:

 what the error message says is that it could not find the kernel
 headers for kernel 3.7.1-5. I know that they were installed. So
 where are the kernel header file if in fact it was installed.

Can you not copy the whole error? camera?
Oherwise it's a game of charades.

Can you keep the reples in the current thread please,
your coming in as new threads.

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Re: kernel headers

2013-01-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 05:09:41 -0700
Lawrence Graves lgrave...@gmail.com wrote:

 what the error message says is that it could not find the kernel
 headers for kernel 3.7.1-5. I know that they were installed. So
 where are the kernel header file if in fact it was installed.

This is where the headers should go: 32bit
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=3612780

64 bit:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=3612758

if you have those files,
then the kernel is most likely not your problem.


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Re: [Rawhide] dhclient seg. out this morning?

2013-01-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:59:51 -0700
Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote:

 On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 12:02:06 +
 Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
  Anyone else having problems getting
  their network cards to play ball this morning?
 
 Working fine here... 
 
 dhclient-4.2.5-1.fc19.x86_64
 
 selinux issues perhaps?
 
 kevin

found the culprit.

snip
:Jan 11 09:43:58 test07 yum-updateonboot[994]: Cleanup:
12:dhclient-4.2.5-0.3.rc1.fc19.i686   87/149 :Jan
11 09:47:35 test07 yum-updateonboot[994]: Verifying  :
12:dhclient-4.2.5-1.fc19.i686 62/149 :Jan
11 09:47:37 test07 yum-updateonboot[994]: Verifying  :
12:dhclient-4.2.5-0.3.rc1.fc19.i686  142/149 :Jan
11 09:47:40 test07 yum-updateonboot[994]: dhclient.i686
12:4.2.5-1.fc19 :Jan 12 07:49:22 test07 kernel: [   30.948525]
dhclient[775]: segfault at 8654c22a ip b76b6607 sp bfbe4240 error 6
in ld-2.17.so[b76ab000+1f000]

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[Rawhide] Re: Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:05:06 -0600
Kevin Martin ktm...@gmail.com wrote:

 that in rawhide if I try to edit a grub entry at boot time (too
 either set or unset something in the linux line for example) I get
 a blank screen and no ability to edit, boot, etc. without a hard
 reset.  This is with the latest updates from yesterday.  IMO, the
 boot menu has taken a step back in looks and, now, in functionality.
 
 

Have you a list of said updates?
That you can work through to find the culprit.

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Re: [Rawhide] Re: Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:20:01 -0600
Kevin Martin ktm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hasn't worked for quite a while (pretty much ever since they
 updated the grub menu boot time layout).  Is the grub boot menu
 stuff in the anaconda package?  I'm not even sure where to start
 looking for it.
 
 Kevin
 

What point did you upgrade to Rawhide.
New grub2 is in use since Fedora 16 was released.


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Re: [Rawhide] Re: Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:11:18 -0600
Kevin Martin ktm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Been running rawhide for well over a year.  The boot editing issue
 has occurred essentially since the anaconda changes.  I did a
 reinstall of my system with the F18 beta DVD about 4 months ago;
 that's when I started noticing the problem.  I've since then been
 updating my system from the rawhide repos.
 
 Kevin

You don't need anaconda for an installed system.
Am running Rawhide here with no boot problems.
Though I have removed all the advanced sub-menu
as it wasn't necessary in my particular boxes.

Can you boot from an earlier kernel?
do your logs give any hint of a problem.
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Re: [Rawhide] Re: Just reporting....

2013-01-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 09:32:50 -0600
Kevin Martin ktm...@gmail.com wrote:



Just a thought do you have the menu with advanced sub-menu
Maybe you can only edit those in the sub-menu?
If that's what you have.


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Re: 108 seconds to start F18 64

2013-01-08 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:07:26 -0500
Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:

 
  type single on the end on kernel line without quotes.
 
 To what end?


Wrong post for that bit, sorry.

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Re: Selinux\Systemd boot-up freeze

2013-01-08 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 10:06:30 -0700
Ken Dreyer ktdre...@ktdreyer.com wrote:

 It's strange because I thought I had this working in a separate
 Rawhide VM qcow2 snapshot, with the same package list...
 unfortunately I deleted that qcow2 snapshot, thinking all was well
 with that package set :) When I updated *this* VM, I now experience
 the problem.
 
 - Ken
 
 [1]
 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2013-January/112986.html

Updated selinux* from koji solved it for me:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=376537

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Re: 108 seconds to start F18 64

2013-01-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 06:28:04 -0500
Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:

 Also, several seconds for login prompt to appear on each tty where
 not previously used on that boot.
 
 cmdline:
 root=LABEL=h50root13 rd.md=0 rd.lvm=0 rd.dm=0 SYSFONT=True
 KEYTABLE=us rd.luks=0 video=1024x768 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 splash=verbose video=1152x864@70 3
 
In F18
KEYTABLE = KEYMAP, SYSFONT = FONT,

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Re: no NetworkManager, no network

2013-01-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 06:50:19 -0500
Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:

 How do I get systemd configured to do ifup automatically?

systemctl enable network.service 
systemctl start network.service (can't remember if reboot needed)

place NM_CONTROLLED=no in
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth*

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Re: Nvidia Drivers

2013-01-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 07 Jan 2013 05:16:42 -0700
Lawrence Graves lgrave...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nvidia drivers aren't working with the new kernel update.

And?

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Rawhide Selinux\Systemd boot-up freeze

2013-01-05 Thread Frank Murphy
During boot-up get the following:

[11.911867] Selinux: policydb version 29 does not match my version
range 15-28

[11.914646] Systemd[1]: Failed to load SELinux policy. Freezing.

Putting setenforce=0, on the kernel hasn't helped to boot up.
Using an F18-Rescue DVD, had told me I have no linux partitions,

typing rd.shell rd.debug, on the kernel line,
gets lines and lines of dracut* speeding up the screen.
Asks for luks password, entered, then freezes as above.

Latest updates: Friday 12.10pm

Updated:
  bash.i686
0:4.2.42-1.fc19 binutils.i686
0:2.23.51.0.8-2.fc19 cairo.i686
0:1.12.8-3.fc19 cairo-gobject.i686
0:1.12.8-3.fc19 cronie.i686
0:1.4.10-3.fc19 cronie-anacron.i686
0:1.4.10-3.fc19 cups-filters.i686
0:1.0.29-1.fc19 cups-filters-libs.i686
0:1.0.29-1.fc19 dhclient.i686
12:4.2.5-0.3.rc1.fc19 dhcp-common.i686
12:4.2.5-0.3.rc1.fc19 dhcp-libs.i686
12:4.2.5-0.3.rc1.fc19 dracut.i686
0:024-18.git20130102.fc18 freerdp-libs.i686
0:1.0.2-1.fc19 freerdp-plugins.i686
0:1.0.2-1.fc19 freetype.i686
0:2.4.11-1.fc19 ghostscript.i686
0:9.06-5.fc19 ghostscript-cups.i686
0:9.06-5.fc19 glibc.i686
0:2.17-1.fc19 glibc-common.i686
0:2.17-1.fc19 gnome-icon-theme.noarch
0:3.7.3-1.fc19 gnome-icon-theme-legacy.noarch
0:3.7.3-1.fc19 gnupg2.i686
0:2.0.19-7.fc19 gpm.i686
0:1.20.6-26.fc19 gpm-libs.i686
0:1.20.6-26.fc19 groff.i686
0:1.22.1-1.fc19 groff-base.i686
0:1.22.1-1.fc19 harfbuzz.i686
0:0.9.10-1.fc19 libXcomposite.i686
0:0.4.4-1.fc19 libXdamage.i686
0:1.1.4-1.fc19 libgcrypt.i686
0:1.5.0-9.fc19 libwayland-client.i686
0:1.0.3-1.fc19 libwayland-server.i686
0:1.0.3-1.fc19 lsof.i686
0:4.87-1.fc19 lyx-fonts.noarch
0:2.0.5.1-1.fc19 nss.i686
0:3.14.1-3.fc19 nss-sysinit.i686
0:3.14.1-3.fc19 nss-tools.i686
0:3.14.1-3.fc19 perl-Socket.i686
0:2.008-1.fc19 policycoreutils.i686
0:2.1.13-50.fc19 policycoreutils-devel.i686
0:2.1.13-50.fc19 policycoreutils-gui.i686
0:2.1.13-50.fc19 policycoreutils-python.i686
0:2.1.13-50.fc19 policycoreutils-restorecond.i686
0:2.1.13-50.fc19 qpdf-libs.i686
0:4.0.0-1.fc19 qt.i686
1:4.8.4-3.fc19 qt-x11.i686
1:4.8.4-3.fc19 ristretto.i686
0:0.6.3-1.fc19 ruby-libs.i686
0:1.9.3.362-24.fc19 seahorse.i686
0:3.7.2-1.fc19 selinux-policy.noarch
0:3.11.1-69.fc19 selinux-policy-devel.noarch
0:3.11.1-69.fc19 selinux-policy-doc.noarch
0:3.11.1-69.fc19 selinux-policy-targeted.noarch
0:3.11.1-69.fc19 systemtap-sdt-devel.i686
0:2.1-0.185.g283159e.fc19 vlgothic-fonts.noarch
0:20121230-1.fc19 vlgothic-fonts-common.noarch
0:20121230-1.fc19 wavpack.i686
0:4.60.1-5.fc19 xfce4-terminal.i686
0:0.6.1-1.fc19 xkeyboard-config.noarch
0:2.7-4.fc19 xorg-x11-drivers.i686
0:7.7-1.fc19 xorg-x11-drv-wacom.i686
0:0.19.0-1.fc19   

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yum meaning of /dev/null lines? Rawhide

2013-01-05 Thread Frank Murphy
Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:01:58 +
 
Running Transaction Check
Running Transaction Test
Transaction Test Succeeded
Running Transaction
  Updating   :
 libsemanage-2.1.9-3.fc19.x86_64 1/16
 Updating   :
 libsemanage-python-2.1.9-3.fc19.x86_64  2/16
 Updating   :
 policycoreutils-2.1.13-52.fc19.x86_64   3/16
 Updating   :
 policycoreutils-python-2.1.13-52.fc19.x86_644/16
 Updating   :
 checkpolicy-2.1.11-3.fc19.x86_645/16
 Updating   :
 policycoreutils-devel-2.1.13-52.fc19.x86_64
 6/16 /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.IPXo14: line 1:  3244 Segmentation
 fault  /usr/bin/sepolgen-ifgen
 2 /dev/null /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.V2D4ff: line 1:  3248
 Aborted /usr/bin/sepolgen-ifgen 2 /dev/null
 Updating   :
 policycoreutils-gui-2.1.13-52.fc19.x86_64   7/16
 Updating   :
 policycoreutils-restorecond-2.1.13-52.fc19.x86_64   8/16
 Cleanup:
 policycoreutils-gui-2.1.13-51.fc19.x86_64   9/16
 Cleanup:
 policycoreutils-devel-2.1.13-51.fc19.x86_6410/16
 Cleanup:
 policycoreutils-python-2.1.13-51.fc19.x86_64   11/16
 Cleanup:
 libsemanage-python-2.1.9-2.fc19.x86_64 12/16
 Cleanup:
 policycoreutils-2.1.13-51.fc19.x86_64  13/16
 Cleanup:
 libsemanage-2.1.9-2.fc19.x86_6414/16
 Cleanup:
 checkpolicy-2.1.11-2.fc19.x86_64   15/16
 Cleanup:
 policycoreutils-restorecond-2.1.13-51.fc19.x86_64  16/16
 Verifying  :
 policycoreutils-gui-2.1.13-52.fc19.x86_64   1/16
 Verifying  :
 policycoreutils-restorecond-2.1.13-52.fc19.x86_64   2/16
 Verifying  :
 checkpolicy-2.1.11-3.fc19.x86_643/16
 Verifying  :
 policycoreutils-python-2.1.13-52.fc19.x86_644/16
 Verifying  :
 libsemanage-python-2.1.9-3.fc19.x86_64  5/16
 Verifying  :
 policycoreutils-2.1.13-52.fc19.x86_64   6/16
 Verifying  :
 policycoreutils-devel-2.1.13-52.fc19.x86_64 7/16
 Verifying  :
 libsemanage-2.1.9-3.fc19.x86_64 8/16
 Verifying  :
 checkpolicy-2.1.11-2.fc19.x86_649/16
 Verifying  :
 policycoreutils-python-2.1.13-51.fc19.x86_64   10/16
 Verifying  :
 libsemanage-python-2.1.9-2.fc19.x86_64 11/16
 Verifying  :
 policycoreutils-restorecond-2.1.13-51.fc19.x86_64  12/16
 Verifying  :
 policycoreutils-2.1.13-51.fc19.x86_64  13/16
 Verifying  :
 libsemanage-2.1.9-2.fc19.x86_6414/16
 Verifying  :
 policycoreutils-gui-2.1.13-51.fc19.x86_64  15/16
 Verifying  :
 policycoreutils-devel-2.1.13-51.fc19.x86_6416/16 
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Tainted kernel flags:GW F18

2013-01-03 Thread Frank Murphy
KVM F18.386 Guest instance is not crashing, 
as fedora default-kernel but,
with dracut.conf 
# dracut modules to omit
omit_dracutmodules+=plymouth

just abrt supplying non-reportable kernel crashes
repeating the following:

[60233.769804] [ cut here ]
[60233.769807] WARNING: at lib/list_debug.c:62
__list_del_entry+0x86/0xe0() [60233.769808] Hardware name: Bochs
[60233.769809] list_del corruption. next-prev should be f5a60734,
but was f1765df4 [60233.769810] Modules linked in: nfsv3 nfsv4 nfs
dns_resolver fscache nf_conntrack_ipv4 nf_defrag_ipv4 xt_conntrack
nf_conntrack microcode 8139too i2c_piix4 8139cp i2c_core
virtio_balloon mii nfsd auth_rpcgss nfs_acl lockd sunrpc xts gf128mul
dm_crypt virtio_blk [60233.769823] Pid: 8479, comm: umount.nfs
Tainted: GW3.6.11-3.fc18.i686 #1 [60233.769824] Call
Trace: [60233.769827]  [c043c642] warn_slowpath_common+0x72/0xa0
[60233.769830]  [c067ce86] ? __list_del_entry+0x86/0xe0
[60233.769833]  [c067ce86] ? __list_del_entry+0x86/0xe0
[60233.769835]  [c043c713] warn_slowpath_fmt+0x33/0x40
[60233.769838]  [c067ce86] __list_del_entry+0x86/0xe0
[60233.769841]  [c067ceeb] list_del+0xb/0x20 [60233.769843]
[c050019e] release_pages+0x7e/0x210 [60233.769846]  [c0500d0d]
__pagevec_release+0x1d/0x30 [60233.769849]  [c05015a3]
truncate_inode_pages_range+0x1d3/0x3b0 [60233.769852]  [c050185f]
truncate_inode_pages+0x1f/0x30 [60233.769858]  [f7ee46ba]
nfs_evict_inode+0x1a/0x30 [nfs] [60233.769861]  [c055ab68]
evict+0x88/0x150 [60233.769863]  [c055ac61] dispose_list+0x31/0x40
[60233.769866]  [c055b4ff] evict_inodes+0x8f/0xc0 [60233.769868]
[c0545c06] generic_shutdown_super+0x46/0xd0 [60233.769871]
[c0545d11] kill_anon_super+0x11/0x20 [60233.769877]  [f7ee663e]
nfs_kill_super+0x1e/0x40 [nfs] [60233.769880]  [c054606c]
deactivate_locked_super+0x4c/0x80 [60233.769882]  [c0546a57]
deactivate_super+0x47/0x60 [60233.769884]  [c055dba7]
mntput_no_expire+0xb7/0x110 [60233.769887]  [c055e909]
sys_umount+0x69/0x340 [60233.769889]  [c055ebfe]
sys_oldumount+0x1e/0x20 [60233.769892]  [c096249f]
sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x28 [60233.769893] ---[ end trace
17e57a02dbb01932 ]--- [60233.769895] 
[ cut here]

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Re: F18 empty lshw-gui window

2013-01-01 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 23:56:46 -0500
Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:

 What's it take to get it to populate? lshw works whether root or
 not.

For me, in terminal: lshw-gui
(popup prompts for password)
Then I click refresh.

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Re: Fedora 18

2012-12-20 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 06:19:15 -0600
Jim Bennett jamesws...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have not been able to update Fedora 18 for about a week now
 because it will never boot once I update. Is there a work around or
 anything I can do.
 
 Thank you
 Jim Bennett

Provide some information.
It won't boot, is in the realm of 
mind-reading.

logs\errors\screenshots

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Re: The output of the command df (without any param) omits the line for the root filesystem

2012-12-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:07:09 +0100
Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de wrote:

 Hi F18 testers,
 
 On my fully updated (coreutils-8.17-7.fc18.x86_64)
 F18 box, the command df without any param does not output the
 size of the root filesystem:

~$ df
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
rootfs 141405024  5868892 134099904   5% /
devtmpfs 20094000   2009400   0% /dev
tmpfs20195964   2019592   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs2019596 3020   2016576   1% /run
tmpfs20195960   2019596   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/dm-0  141405024  5868892 134099904   5% /
tmpfs2019596   12   2019584   1% /tmp
/dev/sda22064208   328884   1630468  17% /boot
/dev/dm-1  153790500 35517880 110460424  25% /home


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Re: The output of the command df (without any param) omits the line for the root filesystem

2012-12-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:41:47 +0100
Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Well, the link given earlier,
   
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-20166/coreutils-8.17-7.fc18
 shows that this coreutils test update is on its way to stable
 updates already (becoming a zero day update for F18) after hardly
 three days in updates-testing. Seems it has been rushed out instead
 of waiting for more feedback.
 
 http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/coreutils
 

It's an attempt to fix this bug
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709351


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Re: The output of the command df (without any param) omits the line for the root filesystem

2012-12-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 21:50:43 +0530
RaJ M smrajago...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am using Fedora 17. df without any param works FINE .
 
 Screenshot attached.
 

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You may have an old version test with:
coreutils-8.15-9.fc17
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Claws-Mail -- Clamd Fedora 18

2012-12-15 Thread Frank Murphy
Where to go about sorting this out.

I have clamav.conf\freshclam.conf setup with pid disabled.

Starting the  two days getting errors like the screencap:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24723229/first-screen.png


~$ sudo systemctl status clamd.clamav.service
[sudo] password for frank: 
clamd.clamav.service - SYSV: The clamd server running for clamav
  Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/clamd.clamav)
  Active: active (exited) since Sat, 2012-12-15 09:22:12 GMT;
2h 11min ago Process: 1610 ExecStop=/etc/rc.d/init.d/clamd.clamav
stop (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 1612
ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/init.d/clamd.clamav start (code=exited,
status=0/SUCCESS) CGroup: name=systemd:/system/clamd.clamav.service

rpm -qa | grep clamav
clamav-0.97.5-1802.fc18.x86_64
clamav-lib-0.97.5-1802.fc18.x86_64
clamav-filesystem-0.97.5-1802.fc18.noarch
clamav-update-0.97.5-1802.fc18.x86_64
clamav-data-empty-0.97.5-1802.fc18.noarch
clamav-server-0.97.5-1802.fc18.x86_64
clamav-server-sysvinit-0.97.5-1802.fc18.noarch

rpm -qa | grep claws
claws-mail-plugins-att-remover-3.9.0-2.fc18.x86_64
claws-mail-plugins-smime-3.9.0-1.fc18.x86_64
claws-mail-plugins-bogofilter-3.9.0-1.fc18.x86_64
claws-mail-3.9.0-1.fc18.x86_64
claws-mail-plugins-address-keeper-3.9.0-2.fc18.x86_64
claws-mail-plugins-pgp-3.9.0-1.fc18.x86_64
claws-mail-plugins-fancy-3.9.0-2.fc18.x86_64
claws-mail-plugins-pdf-viewer-3.9.0-2.fc18.x86_64
claws-mail-plugins-mailmbox-3.9.0-2.fc18.x86_64
claws-mail-plugins-archive-3.9.0-2.fc18.x86_64
claws-mail-plugins-spam-report-3.9.0-2.fc18.x86_64
claws-mail-plugins-dillo-3.9.0-1.fc18.x86_64
claws-mail-plugins-rssyl-3.9.0-2.fc18.x86_64
claws-mail-plugins-clamd-3.9.0-2.fc18.x86_64



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Re: Claws-Mail -- Clamd Fedora 18

2012-12-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:32:00 +0100
Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:43:38 +, Frank Murphy wrote:
 
  Where to go about sorting this out.
  
  I have clamav.conf\freshclam.conf setup with pid disabled.
  
  Starting the  two days getting errors like the screencap:
  https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24723229/first-screen.png
 
 Since you haven't done any trouble-shooting yet, start with
 verifying Configuration  Preferences  Plugins  Clam AntiVirus

Loaded

 in Claws Mail. It may be necessary to publish your clamd.conf file.
 Further, start Claws Mail with option --debug from within a
 terminal. Filter/grep the output as appropriate to reduce any noise
 (but be careful). What do you get?
 

Thus all I find relevant to clamd

plugin_load /usr/lib64/claws-mail/plugins/fancy.so: 0s264ms
plugin.c:428:trying to load `/usr/lib64/claws-mail/plugins/clamd.so'
plugin.c:345:plugin licence check passed: GPL3+ found
hooks.c:71:registed new hook for 'mail_filtering_hooklist' as id 1
prefs_gtk.c:86:Reading configuration... clamav_plugin_gtk.c:523:Clamd
GTK plugin loaded clamav_plugin.c:252:Creating socket
clamav_plugin.c:176:Creating socket clamav_plugin.c:184:Using
clamd.conf: /etc/clamd.d/clamav.conf
clamd-plugin.c:113:Opening /etc/clamd.d/clamav.conf to parse config
file clamd-plugin.c:164:clamctl: localhost:3310
clamd-plugin.c:204:clamctl: 127.0.0.1:3310
clamd-plugin.c:300:socket-type: 1 connect socket: Connection refused
clamd-plugin.c:284:Closing socket: 17 clamd-plugin.c:364:no connection

** (claws-mail:12139): WARNING **: [init] Clamd does not respond to
ping alertpanel.c:254:Creating alert panel dialog...
alertpanel.c:213:called inc_lock (lock count 1)
alertpanel.c:223:called inc_unlock (lock count 0)
clamav_plugin.c:268:Clamd plugin loaded
plugin.c:500:Plugin Clam AntiVirus (from
file /usr/lib64/claws-mail/plugins/clamd.so) loaded
plugin.c:501:TIMING
plugin_load /usr/lib64/claws-mail/plugins/clamd.so: 10s695ms
main.c:1530:new folders loaded, reloading processing rules
folderview.c:2118:newly selected 0x23e9740, opened (nil)
folderview.c:2144:TIMING folderview_selected : 0s000ms
folder.c:1219:Counting total number of messages... main.c:991:The
name com.google.code.Awn was not provided by any .service files
folder.c:1219:Counting total number of messages...
folder.c:1219:Counting total number of messages... main.c:991:The
name com.google.code.Awn was not provided by any .service files
folder.c:1219:Counting total number of messages...
prefs_gtk.c:1076:destroying cache main.c:1696:TIMING main startup:
21s186ms inc.c:1543:removed timer = 100 progressdialog.c:68:Creating
progress dialog... inc.c:794:getting new messages of account Gmail...
** Message: Account 'Gmail': Connecting to POP3 server:
pop.googlemail.com:995...

clamav.conf
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Re: Claws-Mail -- Clamd Fedora 18

2012-12-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:38:12 +
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 12/15/2012 11:43 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
  ~$ sudo systemctl status clamd.clamav.service
  [sudo] password for frank:
  clamd.clamav.service - SYSV: The clamd server running for clamav
Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/clamd.clamav)
Active: active (exited) since Sat, 2012-12-15 09:22:12
  GMT; 2h 11min ago Process: 1610
  ExecStop=/etc/rc.d/init.d/clamd.clamav stop (code=exited,
  status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 1612
  ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/init.d/clamd.clamav start (code=exited,
 
 
 Hmm thought I had migrated the clamd a while back and Enrico
 package it
 
 where /etc/rc.d/init.d/clamd.clamav where does this come from?
 
 JBG

This has what I call my clamav\clamd user,
has been upgrade F16  F17  F18
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Re: Claws-Mail -- Clamd Fedora 18

2012-12-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:46:37 +
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Even so the units take precedence of the old legacy sysv scripts so
 this should not happen unless you have removed the units ( which
 should then reappear on next update ).

Don't remember removing anything.

 Does this happen on  a clean install with native systemd units?
 
 JBG

All my F18* are result of upgrades so far.
Will test with a LiveCD, and report back
What service file do I look out for?


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Re: Claws-Mail -- Clamd Fedora 18

2012-12-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:06:21 +0100
Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:47:14 +, Frank Murphy wrote:

  clamd-plugin.c:204:clamctl: 127.0.0.1:3310
  clamd-plugin.c:300:socket-type: 1 connect socket: Connection
  refused
 
 Have you performed any tests to prove or disprove this claim?
 
clamd reload
ERROR: LOCAL: Socket file /var/run/clamd.sock could not be bound:
Permission denied ERROR: Can't unlink the socket
file /var/run/clamd.sock

ls -l /var/run/clamd.sock
ls: cannot access /var/run/clamd.sock: No such file or directory


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Re: Claws-Mail -- Clamd Fedora 18

2012-12-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:44:31 +0100
Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:

  ls -l /var/run/clamd.sock
  ls: cannot access /var/run/clamd.sock: No such file or directory
 
 Seems you need to fix your clamd first, unless you can show that it
 manages to listen on 127.0.0.1:3310. Claws Mail has no trouble
 reaching a local clamav-scanner package based clamd here.
 

ok,,
I will uninstall all clamav*, and try again.


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Re: Claws-Mail -- Clamd Fedora 18

2012-12-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:38:12 +
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 12/15/2012 11:43 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
  ~$ sudo systemctl status clamd.clamav.service
  [sudo] password for frank:
  clamd.clamav.service - SYSV: The clamd server running for clamav
Loaded: loaded (/etc/rc.d/init.d/clamd.clamav)
Active: active (exited) since Sat, 2012-12-15 09:22:12
  GMT; 2h 11min ago Process: 1610
  ExecStop=/etc/rc.d/init.d/clamd.clamav stop (code=exited,
  status=0/SUCCESS) Process: 1612
  ExecStart=/etc/rc.d/init.d/clamd.clamav start (code=exited,
 
 
 Hmm thought I had migrated the clamd a while back and Enrico
 package it
 
 where /etc/rc.d/init.d/clamd.clamav where does this come from?
 
 JBG

In F18 does not pull in either init, or systemd startup,
when installed as below. 

yum install */freshclam */clamd

snip repos and fetching

Installing:
 clamav-server  x86_64
0.97.5-1802.fc18fedora
91 k clamav-update
x86_64  0.97.5-1802.fc18
fedora   82 k Installing for dependencies:
clamav-datanoarch
0.97.5-1802.fc18fedora
34 M clamav-filesystem
noarch  0.97.5-1802.fc18
fedora   17 k clamav-lib

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Clamd service file was Re: Claws-Mail -- Clamd

2012-12-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:02:52 +
Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:

yum install */clamscan

Installing:
 clamav x86_64
0.97.5-1802.fc18fedora
804 k Installing for dependencies:
clamav-data-empty  noarch
0.97.5-1802.fc18fedora
16 k clamav-lib
x86_64  0.97.5-1802.fc18
fedora  3.6 M

So if I install as sometimes do.
I get no service file.

Which is how I probably ended
up manually install clamd SysV startup,
back in F16 days.


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Re: Clamd service file was Re: Claws-Mail -- Clamd

2012-12-15 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:24:24 +0100
Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 16:58:44 +, Frank Murphy wrote:
 
  yum install */freshclam */clamd
 
  yum install */clamscan
 
 One doesn't install it like that, if one wants to benefit from
 _packages_. With RPM packages, one would search for clamav and
 then pick the wanted set of _packages_ to install.

I would agree, but I didn't\don't know every single act re. Fedora

 
 Only if you look for specific executables, your commands may be
 considered appropriate. But then you need to live with missing
 service scripts and missing config files, and you may need to
 create several files from scratch. 

Should not yum install clamav-server.rpm,
pull it all it's configs to get it running?


You could even compile from
 source tarball.

This I avoid, hence a binary distro


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Re: test list rejecting unsubscribed senders

2012-12-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:05:56 -0500 (EST)
Kamil Paral kpa...@redhat.com wrote:

 If I understand correctly, this list allowed unsubscribed people to
 post to this list (can somebody confirm?). Today I received
 complaints that it is no longer possible. It might be related to
 some adjustments I've made in mailman lately. It might be a bug or
 it might be just my lame hands.
 

You always had to subscribe to post,
as long as I've bee here circa 2008?

Otherwise it's spam city.

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