Re: Bizarre happenings with Gnome 3
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 08:59, Leslie S Satenstein lsatenst...@yahoo.comwrote: which by the way is not removable or moveable Use ALT-click to modify panel applets in fallback mode. (By the way, your use of table for the body of the email made it extremely difficult to trim the quoted text of your email. Please don't do that.) -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 01:45, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: Care to explain the logic behind this? Because it is really beyond my understanding. No, I don't. Your attitude is too antagonistic. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Gnome 3
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:46, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: it looks like this car has gas and brake pedals swapped and steering wheel is nowhere to be found.. How can you expect anyone to have a productive discussion with you when the starting point is absurd hyperbole? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Gnome 3
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:07, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: On 05/31/2011 12:05 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: How can you expect anyone to have a productive discussion with you when the starting point is absurd hyperbole? .. you are replying to the wrong thread. What do you mean? I quoted the hyperbole. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
RE: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far
On May 31, 2011 12:32 PM, John Dulaney j_dula...@live.com wrote: So, what I use is 'nm-applet'. For some reason, it is still there in /usr/bin (not that I'm complaining). It works fine standing alone without any other Gnome components loaded. Since it was included in my clean F15 install, I assume that it is still available. I have had no functionality issues at all with it. Yes, we use the exact same applet in GNOME 3 Fallback Mode so we have an interest in its continued maintenance for the foreseesble future. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:42, John Dulaney j_dula...@live.com wrote: Yes, we use the exact same applet in GNOME 3 Fallback Mode so we have an interest in its continued maintenance for the foreseesble future. Indeed. Maybe that's how I got it, from testing fallback? Anyway, it still has all the functionality that it had before, or at least everything I use. I wonder who maintains it (I'll look it up)? This is an app that, because of Fluxbox and several other 'minority' desktops that would be good to have for some time. I'm thinking that it should be quite some time before we have to worry about NM API changes again (at least I hope so). If you maintain or package software which depends on the NM API's, then those would be good questions for Dan Williams. I don't know the answer to those questions; sorry. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Gnome 3
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 14:18, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: So, lets tackle the screensaver issue again. As I understand from your answer there are currently no plans to return screensavers other than blank screen - it is not a temporary matter of lack of resources. I would like to see this decision reversed. So, I would like to understand the reasoning behind it. This is probably more constructive start than shouting give me back my screensavers. drago01 is a GNOME (and also Fedora) developer and he answered your question regarding rationale as completely as I've heard it expressed anywhere. I do agree with the decision but had no part in making it. The best way to interact with the GNOME Design Team is via the ui-review flag in GNOME Bugzilla or on the usability list or in the #gnome-design IRC channel. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 01:24, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: why Fedora maintainers decide to replace functional software by software that lacks many essential features or even replace existing It's already been explained to you that it hasn't been replaced. The old and new interfaces are co-deployed intentionally. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 05:29, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: Probably, inability to configure your screensaver is much more noticeable than inability to stop copy operation. :) Now *that* is intentional. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: systemd question
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 17:54, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: I have occasionally wanted the ability to make some bit of hardware on my system disappear. Don't want linux to fool with it at all (but don't want to take it apart and yank the board either :-). Can I use systemctl to do this? Essentially disable some device unit so the system won't try to use that bit of hardware for anything? In addition to the blacklist methods you've been given, there's also the pci_stub driver which can be used after the distro is booted. This is advantageous in that you can kick out only one of two identical devices without having to block/unload the entire driver. The procedure is something like this: # echo 8086 10b9 /sys/bus/pci/drivers/pci-stub/new_id # echo :01:00.0 /sys/bus/pci/devices/:01:00.0/driver/unbind # echo :01:00.0 /sys/bus/pci/drivers/pci-stub/bind This is typically the method used for PCI pass-through to VM's. I don't know how to do this for USB but I'm pretty sure there's a way to do it as there's a UI for it exposed in libvirt-gui. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 14:09, Pasha R pashar...@gmail.com wrote: Well, unfortunately, my internet provider (and all other internet providers in my country) require me to use PPPoE to connect to internet. And, for some unknown reason (probably something like I don't need it, so no one else does, too logic) current network setting application does not allow me to configure such connection. So, yes, I can't configure my internet connection with it, which means, it is worthless. The new connection editor is not finished yet. You can still use the old one; it's in the applications list as Network Connections. P.S. Please assume that we mean well. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: OT: GNOME a Linux-only project ? systemd a dependency of GNOME 3 ?
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:58, JB jb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: FYI: GNOME Discusses Becoming a Linux-only Project http://www.osnews.com/story/24762/GNOME_Discusses_Becoming_a_Linux-only_Project read the comments below the article ! There are actually two developments (proposals): - proposal for systemd to become blessed external dependency for GNOME 3 - proposal for GNOME to be Linux-only project Wrong: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-May/msg00478.html If you want a flame war, there's probably better places than the test list. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: no GDM after preupgrade from F14 -- help!
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 21:51, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: I ran pre-upgrade this afternoon on my F14 system. Now, when booting it goes through the boot process. I can see it start the last thing in the init list, (Started Display Manager) the screen flashes a few times, then nothing. If I ALT-F2, I can login and see that gdm is running, but it's not visible. Xorg logs show that the radeon driver is correctly selected. The main screen is just the list of Started Looking for suggestions before I restore from backup or try a clean install. There's bound to be information about why the X server is dying in /var/log/gdm -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 12:55, a...@clueserver.org wrote: The networking came up as IPv6 *only*. My router does not do IPv6 and my ISP (Qwest) does not know when their network ever will. In order to get it to work I had to hack files in /etc/sysconfig and use dhclient to get an address since the Network Manager applet is dumbed down to absolute worthlessness. (More on that later.) The networking problems seem to have been fixed, but there were far too many of them. (Having no default route for fixed IP addresses was a pain.) Something seems seriously wrong here but I suspect that you would have been able to fix it by just launching the Network Connections program which is in the default install. This is the nm-connection-editor that you already know and love. It's in the default applications list. This is the first report I can recall of this type, though, so it's likely something specific to your setup. Details would help. Gnome screen saver's config panel is no where to be found. Right, DPMS (in Screen capplet) + lock status screen makes a lot more sense from a power-saving perspective and use-case perspective. To switch the desktop with a mouse now takes 2-3 clicks where it used to take one. We suspected that power users would use the CTRL-ALT-ARROW key combo. The mouse to workspaces behavior is a function of solving the long-standing where did all my windows go after I clicked this arbitrary part of the panel? problem and also to make it an intuitively discoverable feature for new users. There are no applets to be found. Yes, and there will not be any allowed unless they are provided via a user-installed extension. We do not want third-party applications putting stuff in the panel. The top panel is a safe harbor, now. The desktop is bare, Right, the icons behind a bunch of overlapping windows paradigm was painful; we can and will do better with the finding-and-reminding work scheduled for 3.2. unless you use an the Gtweakui program to hack it. (Which most users will not ever know about since it is not installed by default.) Right, because a power user tweak program is a bad thing to present to new users on a default install. The option to use the classic style is a lie. It is still Gnome 3, but with a kinda-sorta Gnome 2 look. (With all the above still missing.) Did you try Alt-right-clicking on the Fallback Mode panel? I suspect that you'll find that it's almost entirely like GNOME 2.x. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: My Fedora 15 beta experiences so far
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 14:19, a...@clueserver.org wrote: I know. I have been through this before. There is a reason the Greeks considered Hubris a sin against the Gods. Please refrain from insults. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: mutter?
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 17:37, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: So I keep reading that mutter is the window manager in gnome-shell, but there is nothing named mutter running when I do a ps command in my gnome-shell session, there is, however, and program calling itself gnome-shell running. What's the story here? (Just trying to figure out what I'm seeing). GNOME Shell uses the libmutter shared object from the mutter package. They are separate projects but very much co-developed. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: shell is gone?
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:27, John Morris jmor...@beau.org wrote: Jeeze people, just how much 3d grunt do you really need for a fricking desktop? Mutter performs the same as or better than Compiz on the same hardware so your assertion is invalid. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fall back mode and launchers in the panel
On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 21:05, Leslie S Satenstein lsatenst...@yahoo.comwrote: In non fall back mode, one cannot put favourites launchers in the panel. They go on the side, which consumes a lot of real-estate. In the graphics-off mode, the panel is activated, but once a launcher is copied to it, the launcher cannot be removed. This problem and the inability to relocate the clock, etc, are probably part of the teething problem I already explained how to remove launchers from fallback mode the first time you asked. If you have a problem with my recommendation, reply to that thread. Do not reply to this thread. This is the third time you've asked this question on this mailing list in as many days. Do not repeat yourself again. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: GNOME Shell frippery for grumpy old stick-in-the-muds
On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 20:00, Richard England rlengl...@frontier.comwrote: On 05/08/2011 02:31 AM, Ron Yorston wrote: I've written a few extensions to make the GNOME Shell user experience a bit more like that of GNOME 2. Move the clock towards the right of the panel; Place launchers for favourite applications on the panel; Replace the Activities button with an Applications menu; Disable dynamic workspaces. Some notes and a tar file can be found here: http://intgat.tigress.co.uk/rmy/extensions/index.html Ron Should your extensions function in fallback mode? I was hoping to move the clock but do not see any change. No. Use the Alt key. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Titlebar text missing in shade mode
On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 19:31, Richard England rlengl...@frontier.comwrote: On 05/08/2011 05:22 PM, Richard England wrote: After discovering I needed tweak tool (gnome-tweak-tool*rpm) to make the window shade (aka shade mode) work I discovered that when a windows is shaeded the titlebar information disappears. I use this extensively to move between several windows on a screen. Has any one else noticed that the title bar is blank in shade mode? Who/where/how do I report this? ~~R Forgot to include, if it matters, that this is in fallback mode. I've not got a test system, yet, that will support non-fallback mode. Fallback mode is Metacity, the same window manager that we've been using. The code changed very little during the 3.x cycle so if there's a new bug related to this the most likely culprit is the window theme. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 15 and cannot unpin application from the taskbar
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 11:19, Leslie S Satenstein lsatenst...@yahoo.comwrote: I dragged to the taskbar, the system update command, when I really wanted to drag the solitaire application. Then I dragged solitaire there again and it is there twice (2nd time was accident). Alt-right-click instead of just right-click. This change was introduced because usability testing revealed that it was to easy for people to accidentally destroy their panels. Why are you sending emails with tables in them? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: auto login stopped working on live usb
It's already fixed in accountsservice -5. On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 17:18, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: I was testing some stuff today on a live USB stick of fedora 15 beta x86_64 (with a persistent overlay), and I installed updated to make sure I had the latest stuff and wasn't seeing bugs from old versions. After I installed updates, GDM no longer did the auto login as Live User. Instead I just got a spinning busy cursor forever. Rebooting in runlevel 3 and running startx (as root, Gasp! Horrors!) worked fine, so X and gnome-shell can come up, but something seems to have confused the normal auto login. Anyone know how to fix this, or should I just report it as a bugzilla? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fallback mode further hosed?
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:09, Jonathan Corbet corbet...@lwn.net wrote: Up until now, the fallback mode has preserved (to an approximation) my older panel setup - a single panel, not full width, on the bottom. Today all that's gone; now I have two panels. My launchers are gone, as is a fair amount of my vertical screen space. Is this deliberate? If so, why? It was tolerable before, now it's not. Is there any way to get my old setup back? Not deliberate. Are you still running rawhide despite recommendations not to? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fallback mode further hosed?
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 13:15, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: I am seeing the same thing you are (on F15), so I don't think it is a rawhide only issue. If you find a solution I'd like to hear about it. I can't change the preferences from the desktop. The launchers I had have disappeared so I need to use the menu to run stuff. The user entry that you are supposed to use to logout is missing. The screen saver lock is also missing, though gnomescreen saver lock stopped working in fallback before it disappeared. I think you have different problems. Some of what you are seeing are likely migration bugs. Other problems are user issues: http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2011/04/13/gnome-panel-is-dead%2C-long-live-gnome-panel%21 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fallback mode further hosed?
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 14:10, Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly that ought not happen. Instead, Rawhide would typically move ahead of the F-15 branch due to packagers dropping even newer stuff into Rawhide [1], and then updates to F-15 branched no longer inherit from Rawhide. Plus, _that_ bears a higher risk of breaking Rawhide at run-time *and* build-time, requiring fixes for run-time issues *and* fixes for build-time issues (such as rebuilds and further upgrades for broken deps or other incompatibilities). [1] And a single incompatible component in Rawhide already can cause problems when building packages that would be in sync with F-15 branched. This is not the list to have this flame war again. This is the test@ list for QA for the branched release. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: nvidia/nouveau problems
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:14, Per Bothner p...@bothner.com wrote: I did try hard to get a laptop with just integrated graphics, but they're very hard to find, especially once you get to mid/upper-end with i7 quad-core Sandy Bridge. Most of them have nvidia/optimus. A few have ATI, which would of course be my strong preference, but there are very few choices, especially if you want to avoid a glossy screen. All of the ThinkPad line can meet these requirements and work out-of-the box with no proprietary bits. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: nvidia/nouveau problems
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:21, Per Bothner p...@bothner.com wrote: On 04/20/2011 10:00 AM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:14, Per Bothner p...@bothner.com mailto:p...@bothner.com wrote: I did try hard to get a laptop with just integrated graphics, but they're very hard to find, especially once you get to mid/upper-end with i7 quad-core Sandy Bridge. Most of them have nvidia/optimus. A few have ATI, which would of course be my strong preference, but there are very few choices, especially if you want to avoid a glossy screen. All of the ThinkPad line can meet these requirements and work out-of-the box with no proprietary bits. Yes, if you limit yourself to i7-2620M. Chips higher than the 2620M do not have Intel graphics (Ironlake) and so they must have discreet video from either NVidia or ATI. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: nvidia/nouveau problems
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 13:12, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:21, Per Bothner p...@bothner.com wrote: On 04/20/2011 10:00 AM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:14, Per Bothner p...@bothner.com mailto:p...@bothner.com wrote: I did try hard to get a laptop with just integrated graphics, but they're very hard to find, especially once you get to mid/upper-end with i7 quad-core Sandy Bridge. Most of them have nvidia/optimus. A few have ATI, which would of course be my strong preference, but there are very few choices, especially if you want to avoid a glossy screen. All of the ThinkPad line can meet these requirements and work out-of-the box with no proprietary bits. Yes, if you limit yourself to i7-2620M. Chips higher than the 2620M do not have Intel graphics (Ironlake) and so they must have discreet video from either NVidia or ATI. Actually, that's not right. In Sandy Bridge generation, it might be a thermal problem. 2620M is the highest part that stays inside the 35W envelope which has been as high as Intel mobile parts have gone, historically. It sure seems that companies are only shipping these 45W chips with laptops that also have cooling assemblies for discreet graphics. Also, in the T520 series, the motherboard is slightly different. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Gnome 3 not showing anything :(
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 14:06, Antonio Olivares olivares14...@yahoo.comwrote: I have happily run Gnome 3 on several machines three x86_64 ones, and on one 64 bit machine I installed i686 version and it was running great till today. Only gkrellm shows up when starting. How can I get it back? You haven't provided any diagnostic information whatsoever. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: gnote
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:58, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.comwrote: How do I get gnote to start automatically and display an icon somewhere? I've come to rely on it. $ ln -s /usr/share/applications/gnote.desktop ~/.config/autostart/ Freedesktop standard. Works with any DE. or run gnome-session-properties. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: fallback from gnome-shell to the old desktop not satisfying since some days
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 01:05, Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de wrote: Hi Michael, I'm sorry, but there is no user menu at the right side of the panel. Only Applications and Places menu at the panel's left side. This will fix it: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Illegible panel field.
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 15:03, Erik P. Olsen epod...@gmail.com wrote: The field in the upper panel that contains date and time has black background and so is the text. When I move the mouse over the field the background changes to white and the text becomes legible. It's F15, fully upgraded and installed in VirtualBox. Fallback Mode is still getting some polish from vuntz upstream. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: how to replace gnome-shell with a different window manager?
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 14:51, James Ralston qralston+ml.redhat-fedora-t...@andrew.cmu.edu wrote: /usr/bin/sawfish as my window manager, instead of /usr/bin/gnome-shell? gnome-shell is the WM, the panel provider and the notification daemon so you need all three to replace it. That means you need Fallback Mode. Sawfish is not up to the task, alone. User menu System Settings System Info Graphics Force Fallback Mode. Once you've done that, you might be able to replace Metacity with Sawfish but I would be surprised if it worked well. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: On making a proper kernel for gnome-shell
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:34, Jonathan Corbet corbet...@lwn.net wrote: failed to create drawable Window manager error: Unable to initialize Clutter. As far as I can tell, my kernel configuration is the same as Fedora's for the relevant options - i915, KMS by default, etc. But the Fedora kernel works, mine does not. Other interesting observations: - The Xorg.0.log output appears to be identical in both cases. - The glxgears benchmark (known to be the definitive measure of 3D performance :) runs ten times faster on my custom kernel than on the Fedora kernel. On my kernel, I don't get the using vertical sync message. So I'm mystified. Any ideas? Might there be some magic in the Fedora initrd that I'm missing (I've never used initrd on my systems)? Hrm. From a distance, it's hard to make a diagnosis but I'll try to give you a brain dump of what I know. Basically, the above output seems to indicate that the driver is reporting that it knows how to report the monitor VSync but is failing to actually deliver the signals to OpenGL clients. The driver is supposed to report when it doesn't know about VSync and then Clutter automatically goes in to fallback mode. This is probably a regression in the vanilla sources i915 drive and my guess would be that one of the handful of patches on the Fedora kernel is fixing it: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=2451173 Someone on #intel-gfx could probably give you the status of whatever patch you find as the culprit in a matter of seconds. (There's also the fdo bugzilla.) Clutter is trying to time its paint operations to VSync to save power and avoid drawing artifacts. You really should try to figure out what's wrong with your kernel for the best experience but--baring that--there is a work-around: you can export CLUTTER_VBLANK=none before running jhbuild run gnome-shell --replace to force Clutter to use its own clock. However, you will get render tearing when moving windows when running in this mode. As for the initramfs, I've just switched from Debian to Fedora so I can't quickly tell you what the role of dracut is in setting up the KMS framebuffer, if any. In Debian, the initramfs does probe the framebuffer modules. However, my guess would be that this is not an issue at all since you see the same Xorg.0.log output. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [solved] On making a proper kernel for gnome-shell
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 16:05, Jonathan Corbet corbet...@lwn.net wrote: Found it. The root cause is that I was unable to open /dev/dri/card0. In the end, every system management problem in existence can be diagnosed with strace... I added myself to the video group and everything is happy now. I have not delved further, but I am guessing that the problem is that I don't build SELinux into my kernels. I've never had anything break as the result of leaving out SELinux before... Worth noting, I bet I'm not the only one who will run into this one. Actually, it's probably somehow related to ACL's which are supposed to automatically be append to the device node in question on ConsoleKit activation of the user session: [jclinton@jclinton-laptop ~]$ getfacl /dev/dri/card0 getfacl: Removing leading '/' from absolute path names # file: dev/dri/card0 # owner: root # group: video user::rw- user:jclinton:rw- group::rw- mask::rw- other::--- So, you're probably going to have other permissions related issues until you track down the root cause. The first time I ran in to this historically was plugging my shiny new Nexus One in to my laptop and being unable to come up with a method of running adb against it that didn't involve root access... until I delved in to the interesting intersection of udev and the CK database. Maybe you're missing ACL's support, generally? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Appearance?
Font size - a11y Background - dedicated applet Theme: there aren't any other themes yet to choose from On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 17:42, Erik P. Olsen epod...@gmail.com wrote: Where has the gnome appearance dialog gone in fedora 15? -- Erik -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: test request: fix for the 'can't login to GNOME with at-spi2' issue
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 01:53, Kamil Paral kpa...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - Hey, all. Can anyone who was hit by the bug of GNOME failing to run unless they removed at-spi2* please test this update? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/gsettings-desktop-schemas-0.1.7-2.fc15 for me, it fixes the issue. The best way to test is to install that update, then use 'yum history undo' to reverse the transaction where you uninstall at-spi2 packages, then see if you can log in. Thanks. -- Adam Williamson Is there some bug report about this I could subscribe to? I don't see it among the Alpha blockers (shouldn't it be there?). I manually updated some packages from koji unrelated to at-spi2 and it fixed the blank desktop that I was seeing though Shell is still taking a good 60 seconds to appear. I think that's this bug: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=e9e30138bd617a410a60b45ac0a5576094ed63d4 So a fix hasn't been uploaded to Koji yet. Anyway, give it some time to come up before killing the server. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Applets
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 18:22, Mike Chambers m...@miketc.net wrote: Pretty half baked if ask me. There is no include it at a later date, or next release option, as that is just trying to get something out the door but not include anything else. If applets are going away, no problem, then include the replacement, in this case, a widget or whatever, which I am assuming is like Windows is currently using. At least *they* didn't leave that type stuff out when introduced a new OS. Oh wait, they *still* have the option of weatherbug, etc to still be included as applets. Patches welcome. Alternatively, you could pay someone to write it who already isn't spending every spare, waking moment working on getting GNOME 3 ready. Your email isn't particularly helpful though. This isn't bout gnome-shell being bad, it's lot better than was when F14 was being developed. This is bout making a total major change to a major part of the OS, and not including all the options to replace those no longer being used. If lot of this is gonna be included before F15 goes gold, then good, will patiently wait for it. If we have to wait for lot of this stuff, then what good is it to push it out the door when it's not ready? It will be considered ready without widgets. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Applets
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 20:29, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com said: Patches welcome. Alternatively, you could pay someone to write it who already isn't spending every spare, waking moment working on getting GNOME 3 ready. Your email isn't particularly helpful though. Your email isn't particularly helpful either. ... There seem to be a number of things missing from the new environment, and when the response to pointing out the missing functionality is essentially send patches or shut up, my response tends towards fine, I'll go somewhere else. I appreciate how you clipped out the part where I said it's on the drawing board but it didn't make it in time. What do you want us to do? Human cloning is, sadly, illegal, and thus we only have the resources that we have. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Applets
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 19:55, Andy Lawrence dr.die...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote: It will be considered ready without widgets. Without widgets, No, without applets and without a new widget system. System tray icons are still there: in fallback in the old tray, in Shell in the message tray. firewall control, vino, any method for user groups/control, selinux menu, ability to reboot, menu system missing programming, All these things work in Shell *and* in fallback mode. In fallback mode they are pretty much the same as they've always been; in Shell they are in slightly different locations but still exist. (Firewall and selinux GUI's are a distro thing.) I'd like to know where you're getting your misinformation so we can cut that off at the source. no desktop. You can turn it on if you care about it that much; the ability hasn't been removed. As an RHEL admin I don't think my only option of Suspend is a good choice for my quad 4-core stack of servers. ... I wish the Gnome group well; but my servers, desktops and laptops are not tablets. I really hate to think that will happen if this stuff ends up in RHEL7. No server admin is going to initiate a server reboot from a GUI menu *today* and they still won't with GNOME 3. And we're *years* away from RHEL7; give it time and maybe the UI will reach the level of service status maturity that would be required to make such a GUI reliable enough to use to judge what to do with a server. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Applets
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 20:49, Jonathan Kamens j...@kamens.us wrote: Grow up and act like adults, please. All of you. On both sides of the issue. Condescending, patronizing tone is not welcome. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Applets
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 21:48, Steven Haigh net...@crc.id.au wrote: I think the bit that bugs me the most about gnome-shell is that if applications have a long title, you can't tell what the apps is. ie LibreOffice... by however many icons. I have to know what the icon colour is for what app I want to launch :\ That was fixed a few weeks ago. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: gnome-shell???
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 23:03, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 12:50 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 09:54:50 -0800, Rob Healey robheal...@gmail.com wrote: I must ask again, please, is fc15 updates-testing gnome*2.91.90* or rawhide/ fc16 stable enough with gnome-shell to update to either one??? Maybe. gdm just got a widget that allows picking a desktop. F15 RC2 was just built and is expected to pass validation for the alpha release. So things are in reasonable shape. Alpha RC was built from the frozen dist-f15 tree, not from updates-testing. After updating my desktop to updates-testing, both gdm and GNOME are broken for me; gdm crashing in a loop killall accounts-daemon; according to halfline he has already prepared a fix. , running 'startx' from a vt just gives me a blank background. I'm posting this from Xfce. Don't know the root cause but using the fallback force method posted by mclasen will get you in to fallback mode until it's fixed. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Clumsy Favorites in GNOME Shell
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 08:52, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: No real reason, hence fixed upstream: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=7ddf54c4d Please do not land any more UI changes without release team and doc team approval. It would be nice if you involved marketing team too but this have never been required. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: SPICE crashing qemu-kvm 0.14.0
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 08:26, Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone able to run a SPICE guest with qemu-kvm 0.14.0? qemu-kvm-0.14.0-0.1.201102107aa8c46.fc15.x86_64 crashes hard (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=677169). I'd expect a bit more screaming if everyone was seeing this, though, so posting here to see if anyone is successfully running a SPICE guest with this version. Yes, same here. abrt is too large to trace it and I just shrugged and moved on since it works fine with VGA. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:01, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Rahul Sundaram (methe...@gmail.com) said: But it doesn't make any sense. gnome-panel does *not* require gnome-shell. We really shouldn't just go around abusing dependencies to make upgrades 'work', even if it is convenient. I think users upgrading from a previous release can continue to get the fallback mode unless they do a group installation or try to install GNOME Shell specifically. How so? When we included KDE 4, we didn't leave users on KDE 3 on upgrade. Similarly, when a user has GNOME installed (and yes, the gnome-panel is GNOME), and they upgrade, they'll get the current version of GNOME. And that's GNOME Shell. Thank you for repeating this. It appears to not be common knowledge--in this conversation--that gnome-panel is deprecated and, essentially, in deep maintenance mode. GNOME Shell is the UI of GNOME 3 and you only land on the fallback gnome-panel if your hardware doesn't support it or, if the detection logic doesn't guess your hardware correctly, you force GNOME in to fallback mode (modulo this UI being created before the release). -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 09:58, Clyde E. Kunkel clydekunkel7...@cox.netwrote: The startup applications menu selection has gone away also...so how do we start nautilus when gnome is loaded? Used to be able to put a startup cmd in the startup apps dialogue. http://specifications.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-latest.html Short version: ln -s /usr/share/applications/name.desktop ~/.config/autostart -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 14:32, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Well you'd want to be able to exclude it as well and adding it as an artificial dep to something like gnome-session won't allow it to be removed. GNOME Shell is the shell of GNOME 3 and thus depending on the GNOME Shell from the gnome-session from GNOME 3 is not artificial but rather a requirement. The fallback mode is intended as a fallback for driver and VM problems, not as first-class desktop environment. You will be allowed to force it to use the fallback mode should the detection fail to understand your hardware but that's not quite there yet. See here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-January/msg8.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2011-January/msg00138.html So, doing what you describe from the UI makes a lot more sense (and explaining why) from a user perspective than, If you drivers don't work do this magic with the package manager. The former is helpful; the later is pain. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
