Re: Anyone else using Open vSwitch on F18?

[Matej Cepl]

On 31/12/12 00:43, Ian Pilcher wrote:
> I'm trying to stay with what's in stable, so I haven't tried anything
> later than -66.  I don't see anything in the changelog to indicate that
> any openvswitch-related changes went in in -67 or -68.

If you are on this list, then I guess you would be expected to have at
least -testing switched on, otherwise your report don’t make much sense
here.

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Re: crontab shutdown as (regular user or root su-) not working

[Matej Cepl]

On 2012-11-13, 09:35 GMT, Frank Murphy wrote:
> This is all I use in my crontab:
> 00 01 * * * poweroff

Relying on $PATH being what you expect it to be in crontab is highly 
dangerous (see crontab(5) on details) ... I generally don’t trust $PATH 
I don’t see in crontab itself, or in this case, just use /sbin/poweroff 
directly.

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Re: Floppies available

[Matej Cepl]

On 2012-11-11, 10:51 GMT, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> I am sure someone else must have punch cards too

Somebody from IBM in devillish collaboration with a Red Hat presales 
people (I think the dark hand of Jan Wildeboer has been involved) made 
System Z boot RHEL-5 from punch cards ... it was just plain boot which 
then just crashed because even IBM people didn't have enough punch cards 
for doing anything more, but yes, it is possible ;).



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Upstream first? [Was: Re: The future of how to debug pages]

[Matej Cepl]

On 26/09/12 01:21, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:

If we send reporters upstream to read documents we can just as well send
them by the same method to upstream bugzilla's to file reports.


Yes, I think it could be preferred way for some bugs and some components 
(i.e., I would suggest much more aggressive use of CLOSED/UPSTREAM).


What would you prefer? Upstream balancing five bug reports in five 
downstream bug trackers (plus his own) and wasting ton of time just 
coordinating and communicating with them, or five bug reporters (and 
their package maintainers, if required) working with the upstream in the 
upstream bug tracker?


I understand that it is not possible always (given the character of the 
component in question, or because bug reporters are not able to work 
with the upstream code, and of course it could genuinely be a packaging 
bug or bug caused by other components in the distro), but when it is 
possible, I think it should be preferred.


Best,

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Re: F17 FAIL - long live F16

[Matej Cepl]

On 02/06/12 01:53, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:

Overnight the local net died and I decided to revert to the
previously installed F16.


Please, file a proper bug at https://bugzilla.redhat.com with all 
relevant information 
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/page.cgi?id=bug-writing.html).


Thank you very much,

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Re: which package to install to get javac?

[Matej Cepl]

On 7.5.2012 05:47, Antonio Olivares wrote:

sorry for asking an elementary question, but I have iced-tea installed, but 
javac is not present, I should do a
# yum whatprovides javac
but I thought that it should have been already present, something like 
java-openjdk or similar, which is the package that provides javac?, so I can 
compile java programs?


Also

yum install /usr/bin/javac

should just work, doesn't it?

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Re: Weird Firefox performance issue

[Matej Cepl]

On 3.5.2012 00:31, Jonathan Kamens wrote:

Frequent hangs for anywhere from a second to 30 seconds. Lack of
responsiveness to key and button presses. Delays from when I clicked
a scroll bar and dragged it to when the window actually scrolled.
Frequent long delays from when an external app tried to launch a page
to when the tab actually opened.


Is there anything interesting about your setup (e.g., $HOME on NFS, 
NTFS, or some other kind of non-obvious configuration)?


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Re: adobe flash crashes in firefox, not in konqueror

[Matej Cepl]

On 28.4.2012 06:15, Peter Gueckel wrote:

My system is up-to-date with updates-testing.

Since about 2-3 days, coinciding with the release of firefox
12, I think, the adobe flash plugin crashes in firefox, but
it runs in konqueror, but only this site appears to be
affected:


Adobe now supports both x86_64 as well as i686 flash-plugin (well, as 
well as it does any flash on Linux, but that's another story), so 
nspluginwrapper is not needed for covering 32bit for 64bit Firefox 
anymore. Also since somewhere in the 3.* timeframe Firefox supports out 
of process plugins. SELinux people thus recreated SELinux policy so that 
even "naked" flash-plugin runs confined with the SELinux type 
mozilla_plugin_t (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=747993).


So, please, uninstall nspluginwrapper, install Adobe Yum Flash repo (go 
to http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ and download install Yum repo) and 
flash-plugin from it, restart firefox, and open some Flashy webpage. 
When you run these commands, what do you get?


pstree -Z $(pidof firefox)
ps Z $(pgrep -f plugin-container)

Thank you,

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Re: Where to file a RFE for "Add Remove programs" ?

[Matej Cepl]

On 22.4.2012 19:52, Fernando Cassia wrote:

Where can I file such a Request for Enhancement? Is "Add/Remove
programs" exclusively a Fedora thing, or upstream Gnome?.
TIA


https://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=gnome-packagekit

But please check first that it is not a duplicate of already filed bug.

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Re: $PYTHONPATH

[Matej Cepl]

On 22.4.2012 06:44, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:

The PYTHONPATH environment variable is what you probably want

for instance in .bashrc:

export PYTHONPATH=/home/badger/my/python/directory


Or just in belts-and-suspenders style

export PYTHONPATH=$PYTHONPATH:$HOME/my/python/directory

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Re: How to install some software that requires Python 2.6 and rejects 2.7?

[Matej Cepl]

On 17.4.2012 23:55, Fernando Cassia wrote:

So you mean it'd be technically possible to have a running Scribes in
current Fedora?


Sure, what happens when you try to rebuilt 
http://mcepl.fedorapeople.org/tmp/scribes-0.4-0.bzr20120417r1052.3.el7.src.rpm 
?


Install all packages from 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package#Preparing_your_system 
and then try


rpmbuild --rebuild scribes*.src.rpm

(if you have some required packages missing
 yum-builddep scribes*.src.rpm
could help).

What happens?

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Re: How to install some software that requires Python 2.6 and rejects 2.7?

[Matej Cepl]

On 17.4.2012 20:53, Fernando Cassia wrote:

It seems like the author needs to do a major rewrite. :-( too bad
because I really liked scribes.


a) it is not that bad on Fedora (which I don't have now), where all 
Gnome2 packages are still maintained,
b) I am in the email conversation with the upstream author, and it seems 
that the rewrite is hoped to happen in summer. Let's see what happens.


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Re: How to install some software that requires Python 2.6 and rejects 2.7?

[Matej Cepl]

On 16.4.2012 16:19, Matej Cepl wrote:

Sorry, I was busy with some other work so I am now only ploughing
through fedora.testers ... scribes.src.rpm is completely unmaintained, I
have in a burst of optimism fixed it work with RHEL-6, but I don't use
it on day-to-day basis anymore. If anybody wants to take over
maintenance of scribes-nightly (or more than half-yearly ;)) I would
love to remove my src.rpm. Please, contact the upstream which points to
my URL on his webpage (which was the only reason I kept it there).


Actually I have tried to rebuild scribes on my current installation of 
Linux and it doesn't work anymore ... amount of Gnome2 stuff I would 
have to rebuild is so long I won't do it.


I am going to ask upstream to remove the link from his site, because it 
is broken and I cannot fix it (python 2.6 v. 2.7 combined with gnome 2 
v. gnome 3). Pick up this package, if you want to have it.


Best,

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Re: How to install some software that requires Python 2.6 and rejects 2.7?

[Matej Cepl]

On 13.4.2012 17:58, Horst H. von Brand wrote:

I find it strange that there is a EPEL package that isn't also available for
Fedora proper. Isn't that a requirement for EPEL?


It is not a proper package maintained in EPEL (or elsewhere). Just my 
build of scribes for RHEL-6, hosted on fedorapeople.org not in any 
official repository.


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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Matej Cepl]

On 14.4.2012 15:14, Fernando Cassia wrote:

I find the photo import app in Fedora 17 the most intrusive, annoying
piece of software I've seen in a long, long time.


It certainly must be said ... but not here. bugzilla.redhat.com is the 
proper space to relieve your frustration.


Please, if you are not willing to file bugs, what you are doing here?

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Re: How to install some software that requires Python 2.6 and rejects 2.7?

[Matej Cepl]

On 12.4.2012 23:43, Fernando Cassia wrote:

I think it'd be nice if you could do a small txt explaining what you
had to change, and then forward it to Matej, the person doing the
builds at the fedorapeople url mentioned on the OP.

I did a Google search:
Matej Cepl


Sorry, I was busy with some other work so I am now only ploughing 
through fedora.testers ... scribes.src.rpm is completely unmaintained, I 
have in a burst of optimism fixed it work with RHEL-6, but I don't use 
it on day-to-day basis anymore. If anybody wants to take over 
maintenance of scribes-nightly (or more than half-yearly ;)) I would 
love to remove my src.rpm. Please, contact the upstream which points to 
my URL on his webpage (which was the only reason I kept it there).


If you want to push scribes back to Fedora proper (does the upstream 
makes releases again?, but certainly git snapshots are legitimate), I 
would be glad to help as much as I can (being a provenpackager, 
unfortunately not a sponsor).


Best,

Matěj

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Re: New BugZapper Introduction

[Matej Cepl]

On 10.4.2012 20:52, patrick korsnick wrote:

Just wanted to drop a quick note to introduce myself as a triage noob.
I've been using fedora as my primary OS for a couple years now but have
been using linux for about ten years and Unixes like Solaris & IRIX
since the early 90s.


Feel free to ping me or adamw on #fedora-bugzappers anytime (I am 
usually around CET business hours and in the evening).


We also maintain (well, more or less maintain) 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers with all information we have 
for budding bug zappers (particularly 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Joining is meant to be a good 
start page).


Welcome on board!

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Re: New BugZapper Introduction.

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 10.1.2012 14:52, Mario Santagiuliana napsal(a):

I am giving my contribution to Fedora Project as translator, as packagers
maintainer and also as Italian ambassador (from a few day).
For more info about me you can check my wiki page:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Marionline

I want to help in the new package review process and help to clean/remove
duplicated bug so I apply the triagers group.

Thank you in advance! And sorry for my bad English...


Your English is perfect and as a translator you will need to keep your 
Italian all right ;)


Feel free to ping me on #fedora-bugzappers anytime (I am usually around 
CET business hours and in the evening).


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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Joining is meant to be a good 
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Welcome on board!

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Re: System Hangs when Windows Key and Tab pressed Simultaneously

[Matej Cepl]

On 11.12.2011 02:43, David wrote:
> First suggestion. Turn *off* the html.
 >
> Second suggestion. Report your question again.

Please, don't do this ... by being snobbish about plain text messages 
(BTW, completely uselessly, you also have Thunderbird, so you can read 
the parent message just fine), you won't help this guy. And when you 
cannot reply to his question in more helpful way, don't hide behind your 
rudness.

Concerning the parent message. There is unfortunately a little 
information we can work on. Win+Tab is working for multitude of people 
so there must be something specific to your 
hardware/configuration/something which makes it not working for you.

Please, file a bug in http://bugzilla.redhat.com and attach at least 
/etc/X11/xorg.conf (if you have any), /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and the 
following logs (all following steps must be done as root).

Run

zgrep '^Backtrace' /var/log/Xorg.*

if you get any hits, attach that file as well.

Also, could you elaborate a bit on what exactly you mean by "the system 
locks up"? Does it take just unreasonably long to make it working (wait 
couple of minutes to be sure)? Could you switch to the text console via 
Ctrl-Alt-F2? Could you get to the computer via ssh from another one? If 
any of these are a possibility, could you please collect (and attach to 
the bug) output of command dmesg (e.g., run dmesg >dmesg.out and attach 
the file dmesg.out to the bug)? If not, and the system is just hard 
solid, then attach just /var/log/dmesg, please?

Thank you for taking the time to help make Fedora better!

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Re: Introduction

[Matej Cepl]

On 6.12.2011 10:30, Pasche Sébastien wrote:
> I'm very glad to join at Fedora Bug Zappers Team. I have working a
> lot with Fedora and Red Hat Linux / Centos  since some years ago (7-8
> years). I already contributed to the project by writing patchs,
> giving support, helping company/school/people to switch to Fedora and
> helping packagers in their duties. So, let's time to help with bugs
> :-).

Hi, Pasche, welcome,

Feel free to ping me on #fedora-bugzappers anytime (I am usually around 
CET business hours and in the evening).

We also maintain (well, more or less maintain) 
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Re: Fwd: New BugZapper Introduction

[Matej Cepl]

On 19.11.2011 23:57, Narek Babadjanyan wrote:
> Hello, my name is Narek Babadjanyan and I would like to contribute to
> Fedora Project after a long time of using Fedora as my primary OS, and I
> would be very happy if I could have the opportunity to triage bugs in
> Fedora.

Feel free to ping me or adamw on #fedora-bugzappers anytime (I am 
usually around CET business hours and in the evening).

We also maintain (well, more or less maintain) 
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Re: New BugZapper Introduction

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 4.11.2011 13:19, Matthew Savage napsal(a):
> I just joined the triagers group and I would like to know where I can
> help out.

Feel free to ping me on #fedora-bugzappers anytime (I am usually around 
CET business hours and in the evening).

We also maintain (well, more or less maintain) 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers with all information we have 
for budding bug zappers (particularly 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Joining is meant to be a good 
start page).

Also, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Components_and_Triagers 
contains a list of components and their current maintainers (the list is 
not completely update). I would say that especially xorg* and 
firefox/thunderbird can use any amount of help (but that's my egoism, 
probably, others will say they components us most deserving as well).

Welcome on board!

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Re: New BugZapper Introduction

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 2.11.2011 20:17, Darren LaChausse napsal(a):
> Actually, I would be interested in packaging as well.  Like I said, I
> do not have a lot of free time, but packaging sounds like it'd be fun.

Take a look at 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers 
and let me know what's missing.

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Re: New BugZapper Introduction

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 2.11.2011 17:11, Darren LaChausse napsal(a):
> I am looking forward to joining the Fedora Bug Zappers Team.
> I know quite a few programming languages as well.  I am familiar with
> C, C++, Java, Python, Ruby, Tcl/Tk, Javascript, Perl, Pascal, Shell
> Scripting, Erlang, and C#.
>
> I think bug zapping would be a good place for me to get involved with
> the Fedora project due to my programming knowledge.  I do not have a
> lot of free time due to professional and personal obligations, but I
> will make every effort to contribute to bug zapping in Fedora.

Given your considerable programming experience wouldn't like to do real 
packaging for Fedora? (I or many others can help you to get over the 
upfront hurdles)

Otherwise, feel free to ping me on #fedora-bugzappers anytime (I am 
usually around CET business hours and in the evening).

We also maintain (well, more or less maintain) 
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Re: firefox no more plays m3u radio streams

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 2.11.2011 07:42, Joachim Backes napsal(a):
> Firefox's error console says:
>
> Error: gBrowser.addProgressListener was called with a second argument,
> which is not supported. See bug 608628.
> Source File: chrome://browser/content/tabbrowser.xml
> Line: 1862
>
> This happens even if all FF extension are deactivated.

Could it be any of these

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=m3u

? It seems to me this would be an upstream issue, not a Fedora one.

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Re: Bugzilla-Triage-Scripts 1.4.10 not working in firefox 7.0.1

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 18.10.2011 16:02, Matej Cepl napsal(a):
> Dne 17.10.2011 21:25, Mohan R napsal(a):
>> Is anyone using Bugzilla-Triage-Scripts plugin in f15. I'm not able to
>> see NEEDINFO buttons appearing near 'Status'.
>
> Yes, I will have to revert CachedRequest merge. Tonight.

I hope this has been fixed in 1.4.11. Let me know if it is.

Best,

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Re: Bugzilla-Triage-Scripts 1.4.10 not working in firefox 7.0.1

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 17.10.2011 21:25, Mohan R napsal(a):
> Is anyone using Bugzilla-Triage-Scripts plugin in f15. I'm not able to
> see NEEDINFO buttons appearing near 'Status'.

Yes, I will have to revert CachedRequest merge. Tonight.

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Re: Hello world!

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 14.10.2011 20:34, Nicolas Corrarello napsal(a):
> My name is Nicolas, I'm 26 years old and live at Buenos Aires,
> Argentina. I started with Linux 12 years ago... and I have been around
> it ever since.

Welcome Nicolas

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Re: /etc/default/grub is supposed to be where I put changes, right?

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 14.10.2011 01:45, Tom Horsley napsal(a):
> Every time I get a new grub2 update, it resets the
> /etc/default/grub file, wiping out all my customizations,

Why in the world it is /etc/default (which is coming from the Debian 
world) and not /etc/sysconfig?

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Re: Can't login via GDM anyomre: Re: Fedora 16 updates-testing report

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 25.9.2011 23:21, Matthias Clasen napsal(a):
> I need some information on what is hanging where, then. On my system, -2
> 100% fixed a very reproducible hang after hitting Enter in the password
> entry.

For me at-spi2-atk.x86_64 2.1.92-2.fc16 was a pure disaster.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=741136

I had to downgraded to have at least functional TB and FF.

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Re: Remove a package from critpath ?

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 15.9.2011 21:38, Adam Jackson napsal(a):
>> If someone wants to send me a list, I'd be happy to do the comps edit.
>> (I would assume ati, evdev, fbdev, intel, nouveau, synaptics, vesa.)
>
> That list sounds just fine to me.

qxl?

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Re: Sound problems in F16 after the most recent updates

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 14.9.2011 09:57, Joachim Backes napsal(a):
> Having sound problems after the todays updates: Playing some sound stops
> after 1-2 secs, and the sound control symbol in the gnome-shell title
> bar disappers and appears all 7 secs.

You have kernel 3.1.0-0.rc5.git0.0.fc16, right? Downgrade to the kernel 
3.1.0-0.rc4.git0.0.fc16.x86_64 helped me.

Not sure, whether it has been filed into bugzilla yet.

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Re: New BugZapper Introduction

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 14.9.2011 03:10, Dennis Panagiotopoulos napsal(a):>
> My name is Dennis Panagiotopoulos.I am 20 years old  and live at Patras
> Greece.
>
> So thanks a lot for some people who accepted me at Fedora project.
>
> At my signature I'm sending my contacts fell free if anyone want to
> contact me.

Feel free to ping me on #fedora-bugzappers anytime (I am usually around 
CET business hours and in the evening).

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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers with all information we have 
for budding bug zappers (particularly 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Joining is meant to be a good 
start page).

Welcome on board!

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Re: New BugZapper Introduction

[Matej Cepl]

On 7.9.2011 19:01, Anand Nande wrote:
> Glad to know you all. I am happy to be a part of the Fedora Community
> and pursue my role as a BuZapper. Fancy name :) but enthusiastically
> stands out.

> Regarding my introduction:
> I am Anand, Currently I work at RedHat. I have completed my Bachelors in
> Engineering {Information Technology} and Its been a refreshing journey
> with RedHat and Fedora Ever since 2007.

Feel free to ping me on #fedora-bugzappers anytime (I am usually around 
CET business hours and in the evening), or in your case you can ping me 
on the internal IRC as well (both nicks are mcepl).

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Re: New BugZapper Introduction

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Dne 2.9.2011 07:33, Gerard Snitselaar napsal(a):
> My day job has been working with Unix since 2000 and mostly Linux since 2004,
> performing fault analysis of kernel dumps or determining if bugs are in our
> code or somewhere else in Red Hat, and fixing bugs in our code. So I spend a
> fair amount of time with c code, and have spent too much time looking at 
> stacks
> and disassembled code.
>
> I'm 39 and live in Phoenix, Arizona. I have a wife, a daughter who will soon 
> be 2,
> and another child on the way. I look forward to working with everyone and 
> helping out.

Wov! Congrats on the family! (and yes, bug triaging is much more 
peaceful than changing the diapers ;)).

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Re: services and systemd in F16

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Dne 31.8.2011 18:39, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
> systemd is already smart enough, but the services themselves have to be
> written with support, and sometimes the underlying daemons need slight
> tweaking to support socket activation.

Just a bit of self-promotion. Bitlbee in Fedora has socket activation 
(formerly inetd-style activation) working. So (in case you had bitlbee 
running as daemon):

systemctl stop bitlbee.service
systemctl disable bitlbee.service

and then you can activate socket service

systemctl enable bitlbee.socket
systemctl start bitlbee.socket

You can now try

pgrep -f -l bitlbee

to see that (despite confusing name of the second systemctl command) 
bitlbee is in fact not started yet.

Yet, when you run your IRC client against localhost:6667 you get 
connection and bitlbee running.

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Re: Should I make a tracking bug in fedora for problem reported upstream?

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 28.8.2011 16:43, Bruno Wolff III napsal(a):
> I reported this upstream, since that seems to be a better place to get
> attention for development kernel bugs, than Fedora's tracker. However,
> if this should be considered a beta blocker, then I should probably also
> make a Fedora bug entry so that it can be tracked as a blocker.

This could be the reason for making a Fedora bug, but I would probably 
if I were you (but I don't it is required) discuss this on #fedora-qa on 
Freenode. People there usually have much better opinions about blockers 
and similar stuff.

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Re: New BugZapper Introduction.

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On 5.8.2011 00:12, Dennis Appelon Nielsen wrote:
> Hi All You Bug Zappers
> My name is Dennis Appelon Nielsen AKA: *AppelonD* . I'm happy to apply
> for membership of the BugZapper Fedora group.

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Re: New BugZapper Introduction

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Dne 24.7.2011 08:29, David Boling napsal(a):
> My name is David Boling, my IRC nick is pcreader, and I've been
> tinkering with linux and Fedora off and on for 20+ years. Currently, I'm
> a college student in Oklahoma working on a BS in Computer Science. My
> other day job is a student Help Desk Support Technician at the
> University. I'm looking forward to helping make an already great
> distribution even better.

Feel free to ping me on #fedora-bugzappers anytime (I am usually around
CET business hours and in the evening).

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start page).

Welcome on board!

Matěj

> "Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want."Randy
> Pausch

Actually, I have it in my database of sigs as by Dan Stanford. Do you
have any evidence for this? :)

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Re: New BugZapper Introduction

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Dne 18.7.2011 07:51, Sudhir Dharanendraiah napsal(a):
> My name is Sudhir and I'm from India (GMT +5:30). Being in the Quality 
> team for over 5 years, dealing with bugs has become part of my IT career 
> life. I was associated with data center support in the early part of my 
> career. I have vast experience in the space of Identity management, 
> cloud, RHQ.


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Re: New BugZapper Introduction

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Dne 6.7.2011 22:51, Roman Spirgi napsal(a):
> I started recently as German team coordinator and because of that I want
> to be able to triage bugs. Firstly, I want to work on localization bugs,
> and maybe dig deeper after a while ... I'm living in Switzerland and
> work as a Customer Support Engineer.
>
> And I think I could need some help in the beginning, so I will be more
> than happy if someone mentors me :)

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Re: New BugZapper Introduction

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Dne 29.5.2011 06:40, Mathieu Bouffard napsal(a):
> Well that was alot to say "I like this and I want to contribute and
> learn more!"
>
> I read the wiki pages in a bit of a glance and I'll read them again. As
> for help getting started, maybe some pointers in general directions of
> some things that someone learned that wasn't obvious, or some things
> that aren't well documented perhaps?

We try to document all such bits of information on pages under 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers. If you find anything missing 
or confusing there, remember, it's a wiki, feel free to change it (if 
you are not sure after consultation on #fedora-bugzappers on Freenode 
and/or asking for review of the draft of changed page).

Aside from getting through all bureaucratic stuff 
(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Joining#How_to_Sign_Up) we 
encourage all new bug triagers to decide on the particular component 
where they want to specialize. Take a look at 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Components_and_Triagers and if 
you see a component which might be interesting to you, contact the 
bugzapper (if there is one signed on the component) and maintainer and 
ask them how you can help them.

Of course, feel free ask for help on any other other issue as well. 
Either here or on #fedora-bugzappers.

Welcome on board!

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Re: New BugZappers Introduction

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Dne 23.5.2011 06:55, Eric Wright napsal(a):
> Name: Eric
> Experience: Four years with Linux, only use it now.  Computer Science
> student.
> Interested in helping in my spare time, probably a few minutes a day.
>

Awesome! Please take a look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers 
and articles linked from there, you'll find plenty of information there.

Then hit us on #fedora-bugzappers (me being mcepl, other possible 
candidate for asking is adamw) to discuss what components you would
like to triage.

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For ALL BugZappers: bugzilla-triage-scripts 1.0 ... it is here!

[Matej Cepl]

Hi, all my beloved BugZappers!

so this is the moment we all eagerly waited for! This is the version 1.0 
of bugzilla-triage-scripts. It should come to you just by checking for 
updates in about:addons in your Firefox.

The minimal requirement is Firefox >= 4.0.1 (either in Fedora 15, or 
from remi's F13/F14 repo at http://rpms.famillecollet.com/, or using the 
upstream binary from http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/).

In case you don't have any previous version installed (and shame on you! 
All bugzappers are supposed to use if not for other reason, than for 
including signature), please, go and install it from 
https://fedorahosted.org/released/bugzilla-triage-scripts/bugzilla-triage-latest.xpi
 
and let me know how it works for you.

For those who are on Firefox 3.6.* and don't want to upgrade, I still 
maintain in bug-fixing-only mode previous version of the script which is 
available at 
https://fedorahosted.org/released/bugzilla-triage-scripts/bugzilla-triage-latest-FF3.xpi

If you encounter ANY issues (or you have some requests for 
enhancements), please, let me know at (in declining level of awesomness):

   * https://fedorahosted.org/bugzilla-triage-scripts/newtplticket (use 
Fedora login/password)
   * #fedora-bugzappers on Freenode IRC
   * mcepl at redhat dot com email

I will try to fix all issues ASAP.

Best,

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Re: npviewer crash?

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 17.5.2011 11:31, Frank Murphy napsal(a):
> But, I don't have any i386 on my x86_64 boxes.
> And use Flashblock, with my 64bit flash.
> and my browser doesn't crash.

I won't let this into a flamewar … just to comment, that I don't have 
crashing experience with nspluginwrapper either.

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Re: npviewer crash?

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 16.5.2011 23:30, Frank Murphy napsal(a):
> rpm -q flash-plugin
> flash-plugin-10.3.162.29-2.x86_64
>
> and less problems without nspluginwrapper.

Yes, except I have

flash-plugin-10.3.181.14-release.i386

so you are missing all those (mainly security) bugs which have been 
fixed in meanwhile.

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Re: Somebody hosed grub.conf

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 12.5.2011 20:13, Jason D. Clinton napsal(a):
> On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:52, Jonathan Corbet  wrote:
>> So I went to boot my rawhide system
>
> You're sending this question to the wrong list. This list is for
> people testing the F15 release so you're almost certainly not going to
> run in to someone having a problem with rawhide if indeed there is
> such a problem.

JUst for the record he didn't send it to the wrong list:

testFor testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases

Which is exactly what he is doing ... any user of Rawhide is a tester.

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Re: shell is gone?

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Dne 10.5.2011 20:04, cornel panceac napsal(a):
> hm? i'm confused! if mutter performs better, why hardware has to be
> blacklisted? is there (again)  a lack of manpower hitting here?

Could be. Probably mostly lack of manpower to maintain the blacklist, 
keep it tested, and work over each individual chip (and its variants) 
and its bugs.

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Re: shell is gone?

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 9.5.2011 13:45, cornel panceac napsal(a):
> are you aware of any open source driver capable of running shell
> correctly? i've seen problems in nouveau too.

Yes, many. We have many happy (or unhappy, but that's a different point) 
gnome-shell users with FLOSS drivers on all three major chipsets (Intel, 
ATI, nVidia).

The important thing is that the fault line is not around drivers, but 
around individual chip. Some are working better, some worse, some (ATI 
R1**, R2**, intel 8**) were blacklisted as mostly hopeless cases.

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For ALL BugZappers: bugzilla-triage-scripts 1.0RC1 ... please test

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Hi, all my beloved BugZappers!

If you have Firefox >= 4.0.1 (either in Fedora 15, from spot's F13/F14 
repo at http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/spot/firefox4/, or using the 
upstream binary from http://www.mozilla.com/cs/firefox/), please try to 
install 
https://fedorahosted.org/released/bugzilla-triage-scripts/bugzilla-triage-0.104.xpi
 
and let me know how it works for you.

If you encounter ANY issues (or you have some requests for 
enhancements), please, let me know at (in declining level of awesomness):

  * https://fedorahosted.org/bugzilla-triage-scripts/newtplticket (use 
Fedora login/password)
  * #fedora-bugzappers on Freenode IRC
  * mcepl at redhat dot com email

I will try to fix all issues ASAP, and if nothing very serious happens 
to release 1.0 in a week or so.

Best,

Matěj

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Re: new firewall utility in Fedora and F15 Beta install problems on a netbook

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Dne 1.5.2011 03:23, Antonio Olivares napsal(a):
> Sorry for asking this question :(, but how does one know if were are
> running a firewall on basic install?  Do we have to set it up on our
> own, or it is setup automagically for us?

nmap localhost

Matěj

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Re: New BugZapper Introduction

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 30.4.2011 16:50, Bruno Wolff III napsal(a):
> I didn't see a response to your introduction, so I'd like to welome you.
> I help out a bit in QA, but am mainly a packager. The bugzapper IRC
> meetings are at 2100 UTC Tuesdays in #fedora-meeting. Other related meetings
> (at least if you like QA stuff) are QA at 1500 UTC (most) Mondays in
> #fedora-meeting and in the run up to the F15 release, blocker meetings
> 1700 UTC (usually) Fridays in #fedora-bugzappers.
>
> jlaska and adamw are good people to contact for questions.

Me too (mcepl on Freenode in the European business hours or later).

Also, take a look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers and 
articles linked from there, you'll find plenty of information there.

Then hit us on #fedora-bugzappers to discuss what components you would 
like to triage.

Welcome again!

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Re: Gnome 3 Activities button missing.

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Dne 26.4.2011 10:31, Erik P. Olsen napsal(a):
> I have installed F15 beta with all available updates and there is no 
> Activities
> button. It hasn't been there from the very beginning. How can I get it?

Do you have true gnome-shell, or are you limited by your graphics card 
(or rather by our missing support in Xorg drivers) to fallback mode 
(http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2011/04/13/gnome-panel-is-dead%2C-long-live-gnome-panel!)?

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Re: Multiple F15Beta bugs in under an hour

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Dne 21.4.2011 15:51, Adam Jackson napsal(a):
> It's even easier than that.  Click on the black title bar in the Display
> capplet and move it to the monitor you want it to appear on.

Unfortunately, it took me twenty minutes before I figured out this one. 
... :(

Matěj

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Re: New BugZapper Introduction

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Dne 14.4.2011 19:33, Sree napsal(a):
> I'd like to join the fedora bugzappers team. I have a good knowledge
> about linux, and specifically fedora. I've been using fedora for about 3
> years now and I guess it's time I try and give something back to the
> community :)

Thank you very much.

> Also, I'm not very familiar with the bugzilla, and any help would be
> appreciated :)

We are trying to collect all wisdom on the topic at 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers ... go through those pages and 
ask us about whatever you don't understand.

> I'm available as ersran9 at irc.freenode.net 

We are usually congregating at #fedora-bugzappers on Freenode. Catch me 
(mcepl) whenever you want (I am in the Central Europe timezone), or 
adamw (he is on the Pacific Coast of Canada).

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Components_and_Triagers is for 
organization of our work.

Best,

Matěj

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Re: F15 yum update pblm

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Dne 13.4.2011 15:52, Steven Stern napsal(a):
> Problem or temporary thing?  Attemping an update this morning:

File bugs please.

Matěj

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Re: Gnome 3 Calendar

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 13.4.2011 15:28, Steven Stern napsal(a):
> The Gnome3 Calendar seems to require Evolution. Is there a way to use
> some other calendar program (e.g., Thunderbird with Lightning) or to
> link it directly to a Google calendar?

For Thunderbird I use with a great profit 
https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/evolution-mirror/

Matěj

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Re: Gnome 3 and VNC

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Dne 3.4.2011 14:06, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R napsal(a):
> How is Gnome 3 going to work with VNC, which does not do 3D?

It doesn't and it falls back to the fallback mode (the same goes for 
most virtual machines).

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Re: gnome 3 delayed

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Dne 1.4.2011 12:06, Fabian A. Scherschel napsal(a):
> Check debian.org  ;)

And shame on us, that we haven't joint “the project” as well!

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Re: Unable to boot Fedora 15 Alpha.

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 31.3.2011 23:36, Vamsi Krishna Brahmajosyula napsal(a):
> please add "selinux=0" as kernel parameter while booting. In earlier
> cases relabeling worked for me. I haven't tried with the most recent
> update yet.

Please don't spread bad advice! The correct parameter is enforcing=0. If 
anybody follow your incorrect advice which damaged his SELinux 
labelling, please, run before reboot (as root obviously)

fixfiles onboot

Best,

Matěj

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Fedora Bugzappers meeting in twenty minutes

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Hi,

sorry for very very late (probably too late for most of you)
announcement, but we will make a brief meeting for all BugZappers who
are willing to come to #fedora-meeting in twenty minutes (21:00 UTC (4
PM EST/1 PM PST)).

See you there,

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Re: New BugZapper Introduction

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Dne 30.1.2011 22:38, Greg Nye napsal(a):
> My name is Greg and I'm very pleased to join the Fedora BugZappers Team.

Welcome, feel to ask us with any questions on #fedora-bugzappers channel
on Freenode.

Best,

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Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?

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Dne 25.1.2011 15:44, Rahul Sundaram napsal(a):
> I think you are missing context there.  I read it as frustration from
> someone who works as a full time bug triager for that team rather than a
> serious suggestion.  Let's stick to the technical discussions. 

Yes, sorry for my sarcasm not being obvious enough. However, I would
strongly disagree with accusing only desktop team of this. IMHO, whole
Fedora is to be blamed for this in all its parts.

Matěj

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Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?

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Dne 25.1.2011 11:41, Peter Robinson napsal(a):
> In terms of dependencies for gnome 3 you may be right but for every
> other part of the distribution you are completely wrong, at least on
> this space time continuum. There are quite a number of people fixing
> dependency problems and its attitudes like this that really piss me
> off.

Try that experiment with Rawhide (updating just individual packages when
you feel like you need more modern version of the particular pacakge;
the trick is never to run unqualified yum upgrade for whole system).

> for 3 or more years) to try and fix these issues so that is why I'm
> getting a little upset on the attitude.

Just to emphasize, I used to use Debian for many years, so I completely
don't agree with the level of brokeness all Fedora packages requirements
have IMHO.

> openoffice. There have been 10 updates @ 200Mb odd MB each for oo.o
> since the release of F-14 for such critical bugs as "background isn't
> transparent" [1] surely these could be bundled together once a month
> or so (I thought there was suppose to be a policy about this but I
> can't find it).

Fortunately, presto makes miracles about OpenOffice, but again only if
you regularly update complete distro.

Matěj

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Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 25.1.2011 11:41, Peter Robinson napsal(a):
> Actually if your speaking for the Red Hat desktop team I agree with

No, I am speaking (as always) just for myself.

Matěj

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Re: What has happened to desktop icons in rawhide?

[Matej Cepl]

Dne 25.1.2011 07:59, Adam Williamson napsal(a):
> But it doesn't make any sense. gnome-panel does *not* require
> gnome-shell. We really shouldn't just go around abusing dependencies to
> make upgrades 'work', even if it is convenient.

I would suggest just to give up. Dependencies in RPM packages in Fedora
haven't meant anything for a long time already. Improvements are ignored
(am I allowed to say Suggests/Recommends here?), bugs against broken
dependencies WONTFIXed or ignored as well (try to run Rawhide and
upgrade just some packages and do it repeatedly for a long time ... you
will collect a lot of nice WONTFIXes).

They mean only whatever form of abuse anybody treats them to currently.

Matěj

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