Re: How to calculate priority for missing tests or %check

2014-02-28 Thread Panu Matilainen

On 02/28/2014 09:54 PM, David Cantrell wrote:

On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:24:48AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:

On Fri, 2014-02-28 at 15:56 +0200, Alexander Todorov wrote:


I'm not sure what purpose does the URL field serve nowadays but it looks like it
can be removed from the spec file (and RPM for that matter)!


No, please. It could be made *optional*. But there are certainly cases
where the upstream is non-discoverable - the generic-release one is a
fun one, for instance. There are cases where a project has forked, and
Google does not make it particularly obvious which side of the fork is
which. It's not a useless field.


I'd vote for optional, but there are plenty of other useless fields in spec
files.  Group, for instance.  Considering we don't even use those groupings.


URL is and has always been optional. Group used to be mandatory but has 
been optional for about five years by now. Fedora policies could of 
course differ with the technical side.


And FWIW no, I dont follow the there are some packages with incorrect 
URL, thus the field must be useless and should be removed logic here. 
Upstream project website does not change twice a week, more like perhaps 
twice a decade if even that. If the package maintainers role is not to 
save all the users from the trouble of doing the same job, then why are 
we packaging stuff in the first place. Just google it up!


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Re: errors upgrading to 2

2013-06-12 Thread Panu Matilainen

On 06/09/2013 09:42 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:

In the middle of updating , I got these; how important are they? and,I
supopose, is the command to recover db_runrecovery?

error: rpmdb: BDB0113 Thread/process 3820/139765024729088 failed:
BDB1507 Thread died in Berkeley DB library
error: db5 error(-30973) from dbenv-failchk: BDB0087 DB_RUNRECOVERY:
Fatal error, run database recovery
error: cannot open Packages index using db5 -  (-30973)
error: cannot open Packages database in

error: rpmdb: BDB0113 Thread/process 4155/139803070191616 failed:
BDB1507 Thread died in Berkeley DB library 28 kB/s |  15 MB  01:57:16
ETA
error: db5 error(-30973) from dbenv-failchk: BDB0087 DB_RUNRECOVERY:
Fatal error, run database recovery
error: cannot open Packages index using db5 -  (-30973)
error: cannot open Packages database in
error: rpmdb: BDB0113 Thread/process 4198/140301288781824 failed:
BDB1507 Thread died in Berkeley DB library 20 kB/s |  17 MB  02:38:16
ETA
error: db5 error(-30973) from dbenv-failchk: BDB0087 DB_RUNRECOVERY:
Fatal error, run database recovery
error: cannot open Packages index using db5 -  (-30973)
error: cannot open Packages database in
error: rpmdb: BDB0113 Thread/process 4438/140296451778560 failed:
BDB1507 Thread died in Berkeley DB library8.0 kB/s |  86 MB  04:15:19
ETA
error: db5 error(-30973) from dbenv-failchk: BDB0087 DB_RUNRECOVERY:
Fatal error, run database recovery
error: cannot open Packages index using db5 -  (-30973)
error: cannot open Packages database in
error: rpmdb: BDB0113 Thread/process 4526/140586095818752 failed:
BDB1507 Thread died in Berkeley DB library109 kB/s | 101 MB  00:16:13
ETA
error: db5 error(-30973) from dbenv-failchk: BDB0087 DB_RUNRECOVERY:
Fatal error, run database recovery
error: cannot open Packages index using db5 -  (-30973)
error: cannot open Packages database in
error: rpmdb: BDB0113 Thread/process 4656/139997326555136 failed:
BDB1507 Thread died in Berkeley DB library311 kB/s | 114 MB  00:05:00
ETA
error: db5 error(-30973) from dbenv-failchk: BDB0087 DB_RUNRECOVERY:
Fatal error, run database recovery
error: cannot open Packages index using db5 -  (-30973)
error: cannot open Packages database in
error: rpmdb: BDB0113 Thread/process 4689/140320299190272 failed:
BDB1507 Thread died in Berkeley DB library492 kB/s | 122 MB  00:02:54
ETA
error: db5 error(-30973) from dbenv-failchk: BDB0087 DB_RUNRECOVERY:
Fatal error, run database recovery
error: cannot open Packages index using db5 -  (-30973)
error: cannot open Packages database in
error: rpmdb: BDB0113 Thread/process 4733/140155315288064 failed:
BDB1507 Thread died in Berkeley DB library325 kB/s | 138 MB  00:03:34
ETA
error: db5 error(-30973) from dbenv-failchk: BDB0087 DB_RUNRECOVERY:
Fatal error, run database recovery
error: cannot open Packages index using db5 -  (-30973)
error: cannot open Packages database in

Thanks for the feedback, if any? Should I even reboot the computer
before I correct it?


If the error went away by itself and the upgrade actually proceeded, you 
can basically ignore it. Otherwise 'rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db*' is needed, 
'rpm --rebuilddb' isn't normally needed but shouldn't hurt either.


The problem is old race condition(s) in rpm and/or Berkeley DB, which 
the parallel deltarpm processing exposes, should be fixed in rpm = 
4.11.0.1-2.fc19.


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RAWHIDE USERS: BEWARE RPM 4.11.0-0.beta1.2.fc19!

2013-01-29 Thread Panu Matilainen


Apologies for shouting but we have a genuine, rare, rpmdb-eating bug 
(shade of dark paperbag) at hand:


DO NOT UPGRADE TO rpm-4.11.0-0.beta1.2.fc19!

The buggy version is expected to appear in todays rawhide-push. I've 
built a new version where the broken %ghost-related patch is reverted 
but there's a day-long danger-zone before the new build will be pushed.


It's best just to avoid upgrading to the buggy rpm version at all, but
if you have already happened to update to it one way or the other, DONT 
PANIC but BACK UP /var/lib/rpm/ before anything else. Merely upgrading 
to that version wont kill your rpmdb, but on the next update of rpm 
itself, it will COMPLETELY ERASE /var/lib/rpm/ contents. Recovering 
isn't exactly hard if you have an up-to-date backup, but otherwise...


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Re: An arbitrarily sized /tmp does not fit all

2012-12-21 Thread Panu Matilainen

On 12/20/2012 11:17 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 01:03:37PM -0800, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:

For whatever reason Anaconda generates a separate file system for /tmp
using an arbitrary size.  One one machine it is about 4GB, causing Brasero
to fail on larger jobs.  Meanwhile there is some 30GB unused in the root
filesystem.
If /tmp is no longer part of / then its size should be easily adjustable.



Check the filesystem -- it's in RAM by default using tmpfs, and tmpfs
defaults to a size of half of physical ram. To disable and go back to haivng it 
be part of /,

   sudo systemctl mask tmp.mount

To change the limit while leaving it in-ram, I assume you'd put the desired
size in the Options line in the systemd tmp.mount file, but there may be a
better way.

I believe the argument is that if Brasero needs more space, /var/tmp would
be a better place.


This is a fine example of what a facepalm (to put it mildly) the whole 
/tmp-on-tmpfs is, really...


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Re: Is RPM now stricter about checking for file conflicts?

2012-10-31 Thread Panu Matilainen

On 10/27/2012 09:41 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 00:45:33 +0700,
   Michel Alexandre Salim sali...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Ever since I started tracking Fedora 18, Google Music Manager is no
longer installable, and now Oracle's Virtual Box cannot be installed
either (both from upstream Yum repositories).

 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=870655

In both cases, RPM and yum aborts with file conflicts -- /lib/modules
for VirtualBox and /usr/bin for google-musicmanager.


It is stricter for F18 or F19, but I am only aware of checks for meta
data (timestamps I think) being stricter. I don't know if that is what


Just FWIW, timestamps do not and in reality, can never cause a conflict, 
otherwise sharing (generated) content between eg multilib packages would 
be impossible in practise.



you are seeing though. I saw some packages that had conflicts on one
fedora release not have them on another, even though it was the same
version (there hadn't been a build for the newer release). I don't
remember if the difference was between F17 and F18 or F18 and F19 though.


The exact difference between rpm = 4.10 (ie Fedora = 18) and older is 
that differing file/directory permissions (mode, user- and groupname) 
are considered a conflict now. This is how it always should've been, but 
the change is disruptive enough (as witnessed here) that existing Fedora 
etc releases are better left alone.


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Re: yum update failed today with....

2012-04-25 Thread Panu Matilainen

On 04/25/2012 07:45 PM, Chris Adams wrote:

Once upon a time, Kevin Martinktm...@gmail.com  said:

Transaction Check Error:
   file /usr/bin from install of 
google-chrome-unstable-20.0.1115.1-133713.x86_64 conflicts with file from 
package
filesystem-3.1-1.fc18.x86_64


It looks like a bunch of the common directories have been changed to
read-only in the filesystem package (haven't seen any notice/discussion
about that, but maybe I missed it).


The permission difference might've been there forever, rpm has only very 
recently (in rawhide) started to raise file conflicts when 
user/group/mode differences.




The other issue would be: why is google-chrome-unstable (wherever you
are getting that from) packaing the /usr/bin directory?  It shouldn't do
that.


Yup, its a packaging bug in google-chrome.

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Re: big initial login delay?

2011-09-26 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 09/27/2011 06:58 AM, Joachim Backes wrote:
 On 09/26/2011 08:21 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
 I've been noticing long delays when logging in after booting
 to my f16 partition. I just tried an experiment.

 If I boot the system, and login as soon as the KDM prompt
 appears, there is a 20 or 30 second delay between hitting
 return in the login screen and getting the gnome-shell display
 to appear.

 I have the same effect!


 If I boot the system then wait 20 or 30 seconds after
 the login prompt to type my password, then there is only
 a 2 or 3 second delay for the gnome-shell to appear.

 Same!


 Anyone know what is going on between the time it pretends
 I can login and the time a login will actually finish?

 I remember that in the early beginnings of F15, there had been a similar
 effect, but don't remember the BZ.

30s delay in login sounds indeed a whole lot like the one in pre-F15, 
that one was caused by incorrect DBUS argument type in at-spi2-core. The 
funny thing with that was that wasn't actually the login that was 
hanging, it was the session where GDM login screen runs whose logout 
was taking ages. For reference, here's the bug: 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=691995.

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Re: persistent gnome dep problems (F16 alpha rc3-5, alpha), --skip-broken wants to haul in 32-bit libs

2011-08-25 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 08/24/2011 08:11 PM, seth vidal wrote:
 On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 13:09 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
 On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:26:44 +0100
 Richard Hughes wrote:

 I'm seriously wondering if multilib is worth all this hassle...

 Oh I've never wondered that: It has clearly never been a good
 idea. Starting with the total lack of documentation about how
 the heck it actually works when (for instance) multilib rpms
 both contain /usr/bin binaries of the same name and going
 through all the problems it causes with updates (like these).

 It is documented it is just confusing

 When you have two pkgs sharing the same binary path - the pkg in the
 preferred/compat arch for that platform has its files installed.

 Except when you install them in the wrong order - and then rpm will
 cough out a conflict. This, I think, has been fixed in more recent
 changes but I'm not 100% certain of that.

The conflict behavior should be consistent regardless of the order since 
rpm = 4.6.0, ie since F10.

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Re: Broken dependencies with Fedora 15 + updates-testing - 2011-04-13

2011-04-13 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 04/13/2011 12:19 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 On 04/13/2011 02:42 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
  erlang-js-0.5.0-2.fc15.i686  requires  libjs.so.1
  gxine-0.5.905-5.fc15.i686  requires  libjs.so.1
  jeuclid-fop-3.1.3-13.fc15.noarch  requires  fop = 0:0.95
  mediatomb-0.12.1-9.fc15.i686  requires  libjs.so.1
  meego-panel-status-0.3.2-2.fc15.i686  requires  libchamplain-0.8.so.1
  mongodb-1.7.5-5.fc15.i686  requires  libjs.so.1
  mongodb-server-1.7.5-5.fc15.i686  requires  libjs.so.1

 What changed here that broken all these packages?

js library apparently changed soname:

[root@turre ~]# repoquery --provides js-1.8.5-3.fc15.x86_64
js = 1:1.8.5-3.fc15
js(x86-64) = 1:1.8.5-3.fc15
libjs = 1.8.5-3.fc15
libmozjs185.so.1.0()(64bit)
[root@turre ~]# repoquery --provides js-1.70-13.fc15.x86_64
js = 1.70-13.fc15
js(x86-64) = 1.70-13.fc15
libjs = 1.70-13.fc15
libjs.so.1()(64bit)

Whether that's intentional or not I dunno...

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Re: since last update system does not boot any more

2011-03-31 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 03/31/2011 07:51 PM, cornel panceac wrote:


 2011/3/31 Scott Robbins scot...@nyc.rr.com mailto:scot...@nyc.rr.com


 Yet another reason setting grub's timeout to 0 was a very bad idea,
 especially in VMs.


 indeed, i had to boot another operating system to increase the timeout
 so that i can change the kernel line when needed


Holding left shift during early boot used to bring up the grub menu, 
timeout or not. Doesn't seem to work in F15 anymore, although having 
swithed to a usb-keyboard might have something to do with it. In any 
case getting the system to boot to single-user equivalent to workaround 
this systemd/selinux issue was unnecessarily painful.

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Re: since last update system does not boot any more

2011-03-31 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 03/31/2011 10:40 PM, Adam Pribyl wrote:
 On Thu, 31 Mar 2011, Panu Matilainen wrote:

 On 03/31/2011 07:51 PM, cornel panceac wrote:


 2011/3/31 Scott Robbinsscot...@nyc.rr.commailto:scot...@nyc.rr.com


  Yet another reason setting grub's timeout to 0 was a very bad idea,
  especially in VMs.


 indeed, i had to boot another operating system to increase the timeout
 so that i can change the kernel line when needed


 Holding left shift during early boot used to bring up the grub menu,
 timeout or not. Doesn't seem to work in F15 anymore, although having
 swithed to a usb-keyboard might have something to do with it. In any
 case getting the system to boot to single-user equivalent to workaround
 this systemd/selinux issue was unnecessarily painful.

 Did you found any way how to force systemd to boot to single-user? So far
 my installation of F15 with systemd has only one runlevel, I can not
 switch it - nor with grub option, neither with inittab or init command.

The good old single keyword on the kernel line is what I used and 
worked fine (it might be just an alias for something else in systemd, I 
dunno).

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Re: Extremly long login time in F15?

2011-03-30 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 03/30/2011 08:07 AM, Joachim Backes wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm running F15 with gnome-shell.

 Having the following effect: after having entered the login password, it
 takes about 10-15 secs until the session is running and the gnome-shell
 panel appears at the desktop's top. For me, that extreme long: I have a
 dual core Intel CPU, both with 1.8 Ghz, and 2 Gigs of mem.

 Somebody can explain this effect?

I'm seeing this too, both in Gnome 3 and XFCE sessions (where especially 
the latter should fire up in a blink of an eye), so it's something else 
than gnome-shell as such. Haven't got around to look into it (yet) 
though. Oh and no network filesystems involved here either.

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Re: Extremly long login time in F15?

2011-03-30 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 03/30/2011 10:22 AM, Joachim Backes wrote:
 On 03/30/2011 09:14 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote:
 On 03/30/2011 08:07 AM, Joachim Backes wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm running F15 with gnome-shell.

 Having the following effect: after having entered the login password, it
 takes about 10-15 secs until the session is running and the gnome-shell
 panel appears at the desktop's top. For me, that extreme long: I have a
 dual core Intel CPU, both with 1.8 Ghz, and 2 Gigs of mem.

 Somebody can explain this effect?

 I'm seeing this too, both in Gnome 3 and XFCE sessions (where especially
 the latter should fire up in a blink of an eye), so it's something else
 than gnome-shell as such. Haven't got around to look into it (yet)
 though. Oh and no network filesystems involved here either.

 - Panu -

 Hi Panu,

 I took a look in /var/log/messages, and there is a time leap of 30 secs
 between

 Mar 30 08:57:03 . gdm-simple-greeter[6636]: DEBUG(+):
 GdmGreeterSession: Disposing greeter_session

 and

 Mar 30 08:57:33 . gdm-simple-slave[6573]: DEBUG(+): GdmCommon:
 process (pid:6597) done (status:0)

 Do you see similar things?

Yes, very much the same, there's a 30 sec pause in the log:

[...]
Mar 30 10:45:48 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+): 
GdmWelcomeSession: Stopping welcome_session
Mar 30 10:45:48 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+): GdmCommon: 
sending signal 15 to process 2184
Mar 30 10:45:48 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+): 
GdmWelcomeSession: Waiting on process 2184
Mar 30 10:45:48 turre gnome-session[2184]: WARNING: Invalid method call: 
Argument 0 is specified to be of type boolean, but is actually of type 
uint32#012
Mar 30 10:45:50 turre gnome-session[2184]: WARNING: Client 
'/org/gnome/SessionManager/Client2' failed to reply before timeout
Mar 30 10:45:50 turre gnome-session[2184]: WARNING: Invalid method call: 
Argument 0 is specified to be of type boolean, but is actually of type 
uint32#012
Mar 30 10:45:50 turre gdm-simple-greeter[2219]: DEBUG(+): 
GdmGreeterSession: Disposing greeter_session
Mar 30 10:46:20 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+): GdmCommon: 
process (pid:2184) done (status:0)
Mar 30 10:46:20 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+): 
GdmWelcomeSession: WelcomeSession died
Mar 30 10:46:20 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+): 
GdmWelcomeSession: De-registering session from ConsoleKit
Mar 30 10:46:20 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+): 
GdmWelcomeSession: Stopping D-Bus daemon
Mar 30 10:46:20 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+): GdmCommon: 
sending signal 15 to process -2182
Mar 30 10:46:20 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+): GreeterServer: 
Stopping greeter server...
[...]

So quite apparently something is misfiring and there's a 30sec timeout 
on something, somewhere...

Also I /think/ this didn't happen in F15-alpha originally when I 
installed it, but I could easily be wrong on that (too many things going 
on for the poor mind to keep up :)

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Re: Extremly long login time in F15?

2011-03-30 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 03/30/2011 11:05 AM, Joachim Backes wrote:
 On 03/30/2011 10:02 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote:
 On 03/30/2011 10:22 AM, Joachim Backes wrote:
 On 03/30/2011 09:14 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote:
 On 03/30/2011 08:07 AM, Joachim Backes wrote:
 Hi,

 I'm running F15 with gnome-shell.

 Having the following effect: after having entered the login
 password, it
 takes about 10-15 secs until the session is running and the
 gnome-shell
 panel appears at the desktop's top. For me, that extreme long: I
 have a
 dual core Intel CPU, both with 1.8 Ghz, and 2 Gigs of mem.

 Somebody can explain this effect?

 I'm seeing this too, both in Gnome 3 and XFCE sessions (where
 especially
 the latter should fire up in a blink of an eye), so it's something else
 than gnome-shell as such. Haven't got around to look into it (yet)
 though. Oh and no network filesystems involved here either.

 - Panu -

 Hi Panu,

 I took a look in /var/log/messages, and there is a time leap of 30 secs
 between

 Mar 30 08:57:03 . gdm-simple-greeter[6636]: DEBUG(+):
 GdmGreeterSession: Disposing greeter_session

 and

 Mar 30 08:57:33 . gdm-simple-slave[6573]: DEBUG(+): GdmCommon:
 process (pid:6597) done (status:0)

 Do you see similar things?

 Yes, very much the same, there's a 30 sec pause in the log:

 [...]
 Mar 30 10:45:48 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+):
 GdmWelcomeSession: Stopping welcome_session
 Mar 30 10:45:48 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+): GdmCommon:
 sending signal 15 to process 2184
 Mar 30 10:45:48 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+):
 GdmWelcomeSession: Waiting on process 2184
 Mar 30 10:45:48 turre gnome-session[2184]: WARNING: Invalid method call:
 Argument 0 is specified to be of type boolean, but is actually of type
 uint32#012
 Mar 30 10:45:50 turre gnome-session[2184]: WARNING: Client
 '/org/gnome/SessionManager/Client2' failed to reply before timeout
 Mar 30 10:45:50 turre gnome-session[2184]: WARNING: Invalid method call:
 Argument 0 is specified to be of type boolean, but is actually of type
 uint32#012
 Mar 30 10:45:50 turre gdm-simple-greeter[2219]: DEBUG(+):
 GdmGreeterSession: Disposing greeter_session
 Mar 30 10:46:20 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+): GdmCommon:
 process (pid:2184) done (status:0)
 Mar 30 10:46:20 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+):
 GdmWelcomeSession: WelcomeSession died
 Mar 30 10:46:20 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+):
 GdmWelcomeSession: De-registering session from ConsoleKit
 Mar 30 10:46:20 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+):
 GdmWelcomeSession: Stopping D-Bus daemon
 Mar 30 10:46:20 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+): GdmCommon:
 sending signal 15 to process -2182
 Mar 30 10:46:20 turre gdm-simple-slave[2160]: DEBUG(+): GreeterServer:
 Stopping greeter server...
 [...]

 So quite apparently something is misfiring and there's a 30sec timeout
 on something, somewhere...

 Also I /think/ this didn't happen in F15-alpha originally when I
 installed it,

 Hi Panu,

 I can confirm this. This behaviour appeared after some updates. I don't
 know what updates are the culprit :-(

Turns out the bug is in at-spi2-core, exposed by a change in the way gdm 
runs its login-screen gnome-session. Was fun to dig up :)

For the impatient, 'yum remove at-spi2*' should do the trick until an 
update is built for https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=691995.

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Re: Running nautilus from Alt+F2 dialog is invoking nautilus twice

2011-03-17 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 03/17/2011 02:38 PM, James Laska wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-03-17 at 16:27 +0530, Pratyush Sahay wrote:
 Hello all,

 Trying to run nautilus through Run Application dialog box (ALT+F2)
 is invoking nautilus twice.. Screenshot links given below :

 http://goo.gl/LnDTN : Running Alt+F2 and typing nautilus
 http://goo.gl/ruS68  : Taken immediately after invoking the above

 If a bug hasn't already been filed (I'm not seeing one, atm) ... please
 do file a bug against nautilus.

Actually it's not specific to nautilus. Anything you launch from the 
alt-f2 dialog gets invoked twice, be it gnome-terminal, xchat, firefox...

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Re: F15 ping must run as root?

2011-03-14 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 03/14/2011 01:49 PM, Jon Stanley wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Joachim Backes
 joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de  wrote:

 I saw that in F15 ping must be started with root rights, otherwhise I get:

 ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted

 Ping has *always* needed root privs, it generally gets them by being
 suid root. Don't have an F15 box here handy to look, but I'm
 suspecting that either it somehow isn't suid root, or something else
 is preventing suid from working (no suid mount option? SELinux?)

In F15, capabilities are used instead of suid root (see 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RemoveSETUID):

[pmatilai@turre ~]$ ls -l /bin/ping
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 40840 Feb  9 18:00 /bin/ping
[pmatilai@turre ~]$ getcap /bin/ping
/bin/ping = cap_net_raw+ep

As for the actual problem: are you using a custom-built kernel? That's 
one possible reason for lacking capability support.

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Re: gnome-shell???

2011-02-27 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 02/28/2011 08:25 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 23:06 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote:


  , running 'startx'
  from a vt just gives me a blank background. I'm posting this
  from Xfce.

 Don't know the root cause but using the fallback force method posted
 by mclasen will get you in to fallback mode until it's fixed.

 The root cause turned out to be at-spi2 breakage. Again.

 I don't want this to come across the wrong way, but this:

[...]
 really doesn't make me happy. See caillon's comment starting Note that
 in order to get things working, one needs to disable a11y - which makes
 it clear that he knows, unless you manually disable a feature by using
 an arcane command or by removing a package, GNOME will fail to run at
 all...yet he gives the update +1 karma? This really isn't how the update
 approval system is supposed to work. If you (corporate 'you', Fedora
 desktop team) know about such a critical bug, you should fix it and edit
 the update. Unless this gets fixed soon, we are in a state where anyone
 who installs the Alpha and does an update will find their system
 apparently utterly broken (it boots to a crashing gdm and if you boot to
 'runlevel 3' and do startx, GNOME fails to run). I know we're in early
 pre-release state and we don't guarantee anything, but it doesn't really
 excuse submitting and then pushing to 'stable' code you know to be badly
 broken.

I upgraded my home box to F15-pre-alpha over the weekend, first with yum 
and when the result was a utterly broken heap thought oh well it's the 
unsupported way, then reinstalled from scratch and got the very same 
broken heap... and couldn't help thinking we're about to release THIS??

Anaconda seems to default to enabling updates-testing, so unless the 
testing-repo is in a reasonable shape at the time of alpha release 
there's going to be a lot of grumpy testers.

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