Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
On 12/05/2012 03:21 AM, Tim Flink wrote: We're still working to get the proposed blocker list down to something manageable, so it would be time for another blocker review meeting! Note the IRC channel change - doing the blocker meeting in #fedora-qa is far too disruptive to other testing work that goes on. I've not seen anyone complain about it being disruptive. Does anyone here on the list feel that it's to disruptive? JBG -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
On 12/05/2012 03:21 AM, Tim Flink wrote: We're still working to get the proposed blocker list down to something manageable, so it would be time for another blocker review meeting! Note the IRC channel change - doing the blocker meeting in #fedora-qa is far too disruptive to other testing work that goes on. I've not seen anyone complain about it being disruptive. Does anyone here on the list feel that it's to disruptive? Definitely: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-12-03/f18final-blocker-review-1.2.2012-12-03-17.25.log.html (20:06:46) The question is just what is the best channel to use. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 08:37 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/05/2012 03:21 AM, Tim Flink wrote: We're still working to get the proposed blocker list down to something manageable, so it would be time for another blocker review meeting! Note the IRC channel change - doing the blocker meeting in #fedora-qa is far too disruptive to other testing work that goes on. I've not seen anyone complain about it being disruptive. Does anyone here on the list feel that it's to disruptive? In two recent meetings, we've had people pop up with questions about 18 Beta while the meeting is going on, and had to answer them mid-meeting (confusing the meeting and polluting the logs) or direct them elsewhere, neither of which is a great option. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
On 12/05/2012 08:56 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: On 12/05/2012 03:21 AM, Tim Flink wrote: We're still working to get the proposed blocker list down to something manageable, so it would be time for another blocker review meeting! Note the IRC channel change - doing the blocker meeting in #fedora-qa is far too disruptive to other testing work that goes on. I've not seen anyone complain about it being disruptive. Does anyone here on the list feel that it's to disruptive? Definitely: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-12-03/f18final-blocker-review-1.2.2012-12-03-17.25.log.html (20:06:46) I hardly qualify one guy as a measurement and from the looks of it it was his first time on the channel and we have people dropping into the meetings channel like that all the time. Next anyone of us can just explain instead that we are in the middle of blocker bug meeting The question is just what is the best channel to use. I say we should stick to QA that's where is the most likely hood for more participation in the meetings. Fedora bugzappers is a dead process and holding this in meeting-X does not make much sense either. JBG -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
On 12/05/2012 09:10 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 08:37 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/05/2012 03:21 AM, Tim Flink wrote: We're still working to get the proposed blocker list down to something manageable, so it would be time for another blocker review meeting! Note the IRC channel change - doing the blocker meeting in #fedora-qa is far too disruptive to other testing work that goes on. I've not seen anyone complain about it being disruptive. Does anyone here on the list feel that it's to disruptive? In two recent meetings, we've had people pop up with questions about 18 Beta while the meeting is going on, and had to answer them mid-meeting (confusing the meeting and polluting the logs) or direct them elsewhere, neither of which is a great option. You felt the need to answer them instead of asking them to hold off all questions until after the meeting. On last meeting I was about to do it myself on the last meeting but since you had started a dialog with him I decide not to. JBG -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
Next anyone of us can just explain instead that we are in the middle of blocker bug meeting I don't like the idea that people should be put on hold, probably for several hours, just because we are having a meeting. #fedora-qa is referenced from https://fedoraproject.org/en/get-prerelease . People arrive and ask, because we advise them to do so. They might not be willing or able to wait several hours. Some of them will have their issues unsolved and will feel disappointed. There are a lot of guys in #fedora-qa that would be able to help them, ourselves included (it's very doable to be holding a meeting in one channel and helping someone in another channel). I personally feel very uneasy about rejecting/putting on hold all these guys just for the sake of our meeting. I think we can cope with the inconveniences (of e.g. a different channel) much better than the newcomers can. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
On 12/05/2012 12:02 PM, Kamil Paral wrote: Next anyone of us can just explain instead that we are in the middle of blocker bug meeting I don't like the idea that people should be put on hold, probably for several hours, just because we are having a meeting. #fedora-qa is referenced from https://fedoraproject.org/en/get-prerelease . People arrive and ask, because we advise them to do so. They might not be willing or able to wait several hours. Some of them will have their issues unsolved and will feel disappointed. There are a lot of guys in #fedora-qa that would be able to help them, ourselves included (it's very doable to be holding a meeting in one channel and helping someone in another channel). Users that need help belong in Fedora and reporters that are at QA can just participate in the meeting while they wait I personally feel very uneasy about rejecting/putting on hold all these guys just for the sake of our meeting. I think we can cope with the inconveniences (of e.g. a different channel) much better than the newcomers can. It was one guy why are you making so much deal out of this we have more users popping in regular meeting on our meeting channel than we have had all the times we have held the blocker meeting in QA ( and this is a record holding release in the frequency of holding those meetings ) JBG -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
[Test-Announce] 2012-12-05 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Final Blocker Bug Review #2
# F18 Final Blocker Review meeting #2 # Date: 2012-12-05 # Time: 17:00 UTC (12:00 EST, 09:00 PST) # Location: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net We're still working to get the proposed blocker list down to something manageable, so it would be time for another blocker review meeting! Note the IRC channel change - doing the blocker meeting in #fedora-qa is far too disruptive to other testing work that goes on. We'll be running through the final blockers and nice-to-haves. The current list of blocker bugs is available at: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current Since there are quite a few proposed blockers yet, we'll be focusing on the ones that I've already identified as needing discussion: http://tflink.fedorapeople.org/blockerbugs/sorted/sortedBlockers.html#needs-discussion We'll be reviewing the bugs to determine ... 1. Whether they meet the final release criteria [1] and should stay on the list 2. Whether they are getting the attention they need [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria For guidance on Blocker and Nice-to-have (NTH) bugs, please refer to - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_nth_bug_process For the blocker review meeting protocol, see - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ test-announce mailing list test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test-announce-- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
