Re: Congratulations for F24ß

2016-05-11 Thread Gavin Flower

On 12/05/16 09:46, Fred Smith wrote:

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 08:33:56AM +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:

On 12/05/16 08:26, Sérgio Basto wrote:

On Qua, 2016-05-11 at 14:41 -0400, Fred Smith wrote:

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 07:26:41PM +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote:

On Qua, 2016-05-11 at 09:13 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote:

On 05/11/2016 08:01 AM, Peter G. wrote:

How do you type the Greek beta

>from the keyboard (I use US dead keys—always and exclusively)?
One way is C-S-u 0 3 b 2 Space

what you mean by C-S-u ? can't figure out

ctrl-shift-u followed by a zero, a 3, a b, a 2, and a space.

try it at a terminal prompt, follow it with a space, and see what you
get.
I get a beta.

ah only works on gnome terminal , not in konsole

http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12244/how-can-i-type-unicode-ch
aracters-into-kdes-konsole-terminal-from-a-gnome-deskt

I could workaround running:
python -c "print u'\u03b2'"

Thanks,

Works under Mate with LibreOffice.

You don't the  GNOME 3 for this!

yeah, I failed to mention I was using Mate Terminal, which is probably
derived from Gnome-2 terminal. Didn't try it in LibreOffice, but glad
to hear that it works. I did try it in vi (vim) where it didn't seem
to do anything.


I used to use GNOME 2 exclusively, I think the best version of GNOME was 
2.4.2.


When GNOME 3 was foisted on us, I initially fled to xfce, now I've been 
on Mate for a few years.


With LibreOffice 5.1.x you can also use X, see:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.1#Unicode_character_input_with_Alt.2BX

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Re: Congratulations for F24ß

2016-05-11 Thread Fred Smith
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 08:33:56AM +1200, Gavin Flower wrote:
> On 12/05/16 08:26, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> >On Qua, 2016-05-11 at 14:41 -0400, Fred Smith wrote:
> >>On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 07:26:41PM +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> >>>On Qua, 2016-05-11 at 09:13 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 05/11/2016 08:01 AM, Peter G. wrote:
> >
> >How do you type the Greek beta
> >from the keyboard (I use US dead keys—always and exclusively)?
> One way is C-S-u 0 3 b 2 Space
> >>>what you mean by C-S-u ? can't figure out
> >>ctrl-shift-u followed by a zero, a 3, a b, a 2, and a space.
> >>
> >>try it at a terminal prompt, follow it with a space, and see what you
> >>get.
> >>I get a beta.
> >ah only works on gnome terminal , not in konsole
> >
> >http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12244/how-can-i-type-unicode-ch
> >aracters-into-kdes-konsole-terminal-from-a-gnome-deskt
> >
> >I could workaround running:
> >python -c "print u'\u03b2'"
> >
> >Thanks,
> 
> Works under Mate with LibreOffice.
> 
> You don't the  GNOME 3 for this!

yeah, I failed to mention I was using Mate Terminal, which is probably
derived from Gnome-2 terminal. Didn't try it in LibreOffice, but glad
to hear that it works. I did try it in vi (vim) where it didn't seem
to do anything.


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Re: Congratulations for F24ß

2016-05-11 Thread Samuel Sieb

On 05/11/2016 11:41 AM, Fred Smith wrote:

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 07:26:41PM +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote:

On Qua, 2016-05-11 at 09:13 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote:

On 05/11/2016 08:01 AM, Peter G. wrote:


How do you type the Greek beta
from the keyboard (I use US dead keys—always and exclusively)?


One way is C-S-u 0 3 b 2 Space


what you mean by C-S-u ? can't figure out


ctrl-shift-u followed by a zero, a 3, a b, a 2, and a space.

For those that remember entering decimal ascii codes on the number pad 
in Windows, this is the new and improved version of that.  Ctrl-Shift-u 
switches to Unicode entry mode where you can enter the hex code of a 
Unicode character.  You don't need the leading zero.  Pressing enter or 
space completes it or ESC cancels it.  I don't know which software level 
handles it, maybe it's a GTK thing.  You can look up the hex codes using 
the Character Map application.

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Re: Congratulations for F24ß

2016-05-11 Thread Gavin Flower

On 12/05/16 08:26, Sérgio Basto wrote:

On Qua, 2016-05-11 at 14:41 -0400, Fred Smith wrote:

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 07:26:41PM +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote:

On Qua, 2016-05-11 at 09:13 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote:

On 05/11/2016 08:01 AM, Peter G. wrote:


How do you type the Greek beta
from the keyboard (I use US dead keys—always and exclusively)?

One way is C-S-u 0 3 b 2 Space

what you mean by C-S-u ? can't figure out

ctrl-shift-u followed by a zero, a 3, a b, a 2, and a space.

try it at a terminal prompt, follow it with a space, and see what you
get.
I get a beta.

ah only works on gnome terminal , not in konsole

http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12244/how-can-i-type-unicode-ch
aracters-into-kdes-konsole-terminal-from-a-gnome-deskt

I could workaround running:
python -c "print u'\u03b2'"

Thanks,


Works under Mate with LibreOffice.

You don't the  GNOME 3 for this!

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Re: Congratulations for F24ß

2016-05-11 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qua, 2016-05-11 at 14:41 -0400, Fred Smith wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 07:26:41PM +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> > 
> > On Qua, 2016-05-11 at 09:13 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> > > 
> > > On 05/11/2016 08:01 AM, Peter G. wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > How do you type the Greek beta
> > > > from the keyboard (I use US dead keys—always and exclusively)?
> > > One way is C-S-u 0 3 b 2 Space
> > what you mean by C-S-u ? can't figure out 
> ctrl-shift-u followed by a zero, a 3, a b, a 2, and a space.
> 
> try it at a terminal prompt, follow it with a space, and see what you
> get.
> I get a beta.

ah only works on gnome terminal , not in konsole 

http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12244/how-can-i-type-unicode-ch
aracters-into-kdes-konsole-terminal-from-a-gnome-deskt

I could workaround running:
python -c "print u'\u03b2'"

Thanks,
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Re: Congratulations for F24ß

2016-05-11 Thread Fred Smith
On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 07:26:41PM +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> On Qua, 2016-05-11 at 09:13 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> > On 05/11/2016 08:01 AM, Peter G. wrote:
> > > 
> > > How do you type the Greek beta
> > > from the keyboard (I use US dead keys—always and exclusively)?
> > 
> > One way is C-S-u 0 3 b 2 Space
> 
> what you mean by C-S-u ? can't figure out 

ctrl-shift-u followed by a zero, a 3, a b, a 2, and a space.

try it at a terminal prompt, follow it with a space, and see what you get.
I get a beta.

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Re: Congratulations for F24ß

2016-05-11 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qua, 2016-05-11 at 09:13 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 05/11/2016 08:01 AM, Peter G. wrote:
> > 
> > How do you type the Greek beta
> > from the keyboard (I use US dead keys—always and exclusively)?
> 
> One way is C-S-u 0 3 b 2 Space

what you mean by C-S-u ? can't figure out 

> Not entirely convenient or memorable.



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Re: Congratulations for F24ß

2016-05-11 Thread Gordon Messmer

On 05/11/2016 08:01 AM, Peter G. wrote:

How do you type the Greek beta
from the keyboard (I use US dead keys—always and exclusively)?



One way is C-S-u 0 3 b 2 Space

Not entirely convenient or memorable.
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Re: Congratulations for F24ß

2016-05-11 Thread Peter G.
Sérgio Basto wrote:

> yeah ß is not an β
> alt gr + s writes ß ( but this is not an beta )

I never knew that there was a real beta character! es-zett is 
easy to type: just right-alt-s. How do you type the Greek beta 
from the keyboard (I use US dead keys—always and exclusively)?
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Re: Congratulations for F24ß

2016-05-10 Thread Sérgio Basto
yeah ß is not an β  
alt gr + s writes ß ( but this is not an beta ) 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F#Graphically_similar_letters

However, the reverse substitution of using German "ß" as a surrogate
for Greek "β" once was common when describing beta test versions of
application programs for older operating systems

not the case (older operating systems) , but I don't know type one beta
character 

On Ter, 2016-05-10 at 22:47 +0100, Pawel Bogucki wrote:
> Probably because it looks similar to β when looking at keyboard map
> :-)
> On 10 May 2016 9:21 p.m., "Gordon Messmer" 
> wrote:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F
> > 
> > Why eszett?
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Re: Congratulations for F24ß

2016-05-10 Thread Pawel Bogucki
Probably because it looks similar to β when looking at keyboard map :-)
On 10 May 2016 9:21 p.m., "Gordon Messmer"  wrote:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F
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> Why eszett?
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Re: Congratulations for F24ß

2016-05-10 Thread Gordon Messmer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F

Why eszett?
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Congratulations for F24ß

2016-05-10 Thread Peter G.
Just a test to see if I configured Knode correctly, but might 
as well make it worthwhile ;-)

I'm very pleased with the release so far and have run into no 
problems (exception: TPM on laptop, but that's something for 
bugzilla).
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