Re: F23 on PATA or SATA ext. disk?
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 02:49:27PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Chris Murphy composed on 2015-08-06 13:19 (UTC-0600): Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:55 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote: snip IOW, answer to OP is no difference whatsover, except possibly for a slight speed difference if USB3 rather than USB2 or Firewire. Yeah. And I don't even know if Fedora supports those interfaces for booting. Obviously USB is for install media, because it has to, but for /boot or root fs? I don't think so. There's no test for it anyway. i've certianly booted many fedora versions from USB,... both USB HD and USB flash sticks. why would you think it might not work? -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - The Lord detests the way of the wicked but he loves those who pursue righteousness. - Proverbs 15:9 (niv) - -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F23 on PATA or SATA ext. disk?
Chris Murphy composed on 2015-08-06 13:19 (UTC-0600): Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:55 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote: for testing purposes I use a fast Laptop (with Win 8.1) and Fedora on an external disk. For F23 testing is it preferable to have the system on an PATA external disk? or SATA ext. disk? Or should this be no matter of significance? I wouldn't say there's a huge difference. Have there been successes with SATA with failures with PATA? What was the nature? They're both handled by libata and seem sufficiently abstracted that I'd be surprised if the installer is aware of the difference. Looking at all the thread responses, I don't understand any of them. OP is using a laptop right? While his external *might* be on eSATA, it's more likely on Firewire, yet almost certainly on USB, especially if not a Mac, and just as close to certainly *not* on PATA. Whether on Firewire or USB, neither kernel nor drivers will know whether the outside end is on PATA or SATA, right? IOW, answer to OP is no difference whatsover, except possibly for a slight speed difference if USB3 rather than USB2 or Firewire. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F23 on PATA or SATA ext. disk?
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 01:19:29PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Adam Williamson external disk? or SATA ext. disk? Or should this be no matter of significance? I wouldn't say there's a huge difference. Have there been successes with SATA with failures with PATA? What was the nature? They're both handled by libata and seem sufficiently abstracted that I'd be surprised if the installer is aware of the difference. Me too, although I also wouldn't be shocked to see the PATA part bitrotting. -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F23 on PATA or SATA ext. disk?
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Fred Smith fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 02:49:27PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Chris Murphy composed on 2015-08-06 13:19 (UTC-0600): Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:55 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote: snip IOW, answer to OP is no difference whatsover, except possibly for a slight speed difference if USB3 rather than USB2 or Firewire. Yeah. And I don't even know if Fedora supports those interfaces for booting. Obviously USB is for install media, because it has to, but for /boot or root fs? I don't think so. There's no test for it anyway. i've certianly booted many fedora versions from USB,... both USB HD and USB flash sticks. why would you think it might not work? For the same reason anything might not work. The question raised by does Fedora support means would Fedora block a release if this didn't work. Yes if it were USB install media. But if for some reason either installing to or booting from a system installed onto a USB stick or drive? I don't know. Again there isn't a test case for USB explicitly. I'd think it's more of an issue for ARM where USB and SD installations are probably typical, where on x86 they're rare. -- Chris Murphy -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F23 on PATA or SATA ext. disk?
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Fred Smith fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 02:49:27PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Chris Murphy composed on 2015-08-06 13:19 (UTC-0600): Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:55 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote: snip IOW, answer to OP is no difference whatsover, except possibly for a slight speed difference if USB3 rather than USB2 or Firewire. Yeah. And I don't even know if Fedora supports those interfaces for booting. Obviously USB is for install media, because it has to, but for /boot or root fs? I don't think so. There's no test for it anyway. i've certianly booted many fedora versions from USB,... both USB HD and USB flash sticks. why would you think it might not work? For the same reason anything might not work. The question raised by does Fedora support means would Fedora block a release if this didn't work. Yes if it were USB install media. But if for some reason either installing to or booting from a system installed onto a USB stick or drive? I don't know. Again there isn't a test case for USB explicitly. I'd think it's more of an issue for ARM where USB and SD installations are probably typical, where on x86 they're rare. Far from typical on x86 I'm sure, but I feel it is becoming a little more common due to rising popularity of x86 based tablets. I use one myself and rather than split the meager internal storage between Windows and Linux I just keep Linux on an SD card. Works great. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F23 on PATA or SATA ext. disk?
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Donavan Lance tusklah...@gmail.com wrote: Far from typical on x86 I'm sure, but I feel it is becoming a little more common due to rising popularity of x86 based tablets. I use one myself and rather than split the meager internal storage between Windows and Linux I just keep Linux on an SD card. Works great. My SD card slot behavior sample size is small. It needs to work when it's the main way to boot, sure. But my experience on Macs has been crap. So at least on a Mac I'd say it's disqualified from being blocked on if it didn't boot a system. It might be in the category of video, where failures are taken on a case by case basis. -- Chris Murphy -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F23 on PATA or SATA ext. disk?
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Chris Murphy composed on 2015-08-06 13:19 (UTC-0600): Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:55 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote: for testing purposes I use a fast Laptop (with Win 8.1) and Fedora on an external disk. For F23 testing is it preferable to have the system on an PATA external disk? or SATA ext. disk? Or should this be no matter of significance? I wouldn't say there's a huge difference. Have there been successes with SATA with failures with PATA? What was the nature? They're both handled by libata and seem sufficiently abstracted that I'd be surprised if the installer is aware of the difference. Looking at all the thread responses, I don't understand any of them. OP is using a laptop right? While his external *might* be on eSATA, it's more likely on Firewire, yet almost certainly on USB, especially if not a Mac, and just as close to certainly *not* on PATA. Whether on Firewire or USB, neither kernel nor drivers will know whether the outside end is on PATA or SATA, right? Right. IOW, answer to OP is no difference whatsover, except possibly for a slight speed difference if USB3 rather than USB2 or Firewire. Yeah. And I don't even know if Fedora supports those interfaces for booting. Obviously USB is for install media, because it has to, but for /boot or root fs? I don't think so. There's no test for it anyway. -- Chris Murphy -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F23 on PATA or SATA ext. disk?
On 08/06/2015 02:13 PM, Joerg Lechner wrote: Hi, thank You for the advices. I will buy another Pata disk by ebay and then start testing F23. Kind Regards Please don't. Please test with SATA or newer hardware. External or internal. If you don't have a SATA external enclosure then also pick one of those up. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F23 on PATA or SATA ext. disk?
Hi, thank You for the advices. I will buy another Pata disk by ebay and then start testing F23. Kind Regards -Ursprüngliche Mitteilung- Von: Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org An: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases test@lists.fedoraproject.org Verschickt: Do, 6 Aug 2015 8:29 pm Betreff: Re: F23 on PATA or SATA ext. disk? On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:55 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote: Hi, for testing purposes I use a fast Laptop (with Win 8.1) and Fedora on an external disk. For F23 testing is it preferable to have the system on an PATA external disk? or SATA ext. disk? Or should this be no matter of significance? I wouldn't say there's a huge difference. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F23 on PATA or SATA ext. disk?
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 01:55:40PM -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote: for testing purposes I use a fast Laptop (with Win 8.1) and Fedora on an external disk. For F23 testing is it preferable to have the system on an PATA external disk? or SATA ext. disk? Or should this be no matter of significance? I think both would be useful, for opposite reasons. Most modern systems and drives are SATA, so by testing that, you test what most people will see. On the other hand, by testing PATA, you're testing something more obscure, where problems are less likely to already have been noticed by somone else. -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F23 on PATA or SATA ext. disk?
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:55 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote: Hi, for testing purposes I use a fast Laptop (with Win 8.1) and Fedora on an external disk. For F23 testing is it preferable to have the system on an PATA external disk? or SATA ext. disk? Or should this be no matter of significance? I wouldn't say there's a huge difference. Have there been successes with SATA with failures with PATA? What was the nature? They're both handled by libata and seem sufficiently abstracted that I'd be surprised if the installer is aware of the difference. -- Chris Murphy -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: F23 on PATA or SATA ext. disk?
On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:55 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote: Hi, for testing purposes I use a fast Laptop (with Win 8.1) and Fedora on an external disk. For F23 testing is it preferable to have the system on an PATA external disk? or SATA ext. disk? Or should this be no matter of significance? I wouldn't say there's a huge difference. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
F23 on PATA or SATA ext. disk?
Hi, for testing purposes I use a fast Laptop (with Win 8.1) and Fedora on an external disk. For F23 testing is it preferable to have the system on an PATA external disk? or SATA ext. disk? Or should this be no matter of significance? Kind Regards -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
