Re: Interactive white boards and Fedora Xorg setup
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 15:58 +1100, Rodd Clarkson wrote: Also, where do I get the name for the pointer device? atropine:~% xinput list ⎡ Virtual core pointer id=2[master pointer (3)] ⎜ ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointerid=4[slave pointer (2)] ⎜ ↳ Unicomp Endura Pro Keyboard id=9[slave pointer (2)] ⎜ ↳ Macintosh mouse button emulation id=11 [slave pointer (2)] ⎣ Virtual core keyboard id=3[master keyboard (2)] ↳ Virtual core XTEST keyboard id=5[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Power Button id=6[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Power Button id=7[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Unicomp Endura Pro Keyboard id=8[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Vendor strings are placed here. Nuforce µDAC id=10 [slave keyboard (3)] - ajax signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Interactive white boards and Fedora Xorg setup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/01/2010 08:09 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 15:58 +1100, Rodd Clarkson wrote: Also, where do I get the name for the pointer device? atropine:~% xinput list ⎡ Virtual core pointerid=2[master pointer (3)] ⎜ ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer id=4[slave pointer (2)] ⎜ ↳ Unicomp Endura Pro Keyboardid=9[slave pointer (2)] ⎜ ↳ Macintosh mouse button emulationid=11 [slave pointer (2)] ⎣ Virtual core keyboard id=3[master keyboard (2)] ↳ Virtual core XTEST keyboard id=5[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Power Buttonid=6[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Power Buttonid=7[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Unicomp Endura Pro Keyboardid=8[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Vendor strings are placed here. Nuforce µDACid=10 [slave keyboard (3)] - ajax Ajax, I tried this with two mice on my system and I could not seem to restrict the movement of one of the mice. The properties appear to be set correctly xinput list-props Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse Device 'Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse': Device Enabled (140): 1 Coordinate Transformation Matrix (142): 0.58, 0.00, 0.42, 0.00, 1.00, 0.00, 0.00, 0.00, 1.00 But the mouse still has full run of the screen. Is there another command I need to run to make the xserver use those values? Kevin - -- Get my public GnuPG key from http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x7D0BD5D1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkz2Z/IACgkQ6w2kMH0L1dE7ugCePDOEpMUCFdXtidsBml5DtIDo afYAn0MZdYEHE3xA6nqiQBBu6/KvBqJo =QUVL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Interactive white boards and Fedora Xorg setup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/01/2010 08:09 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 15:58 +1100, Rodd Clarkson wrote: Also, where do I get the name for the pointer device? atropine:~% xinput list ⎡ Virtual core pointerid=2[master pointer (3)] ⎜ ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer id=4[slave pointer (2)] ⎜ ↳ Unicomp Endura Pro Keyboardid=9[slave pointer (2)] ⎜ ↳ Macintosh mouse button emulationid=11 [slave pointer (2)] ⎣ Virtual core keyboard id=3[master keyboard (2)] ↳ Virtual core XTEST keyboard id=5[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Power Buttonid=6[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Power Buttonid=7[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Unicomp Endura Pro Keyboardid=8[slave keyboard (3)] ↳ Vendor strings are placed here. Nuforce µDACid=10 [slave keyboard (3)] - ajax But the properties do seem to work ok with my tablet. xinput set-prop Wacom BambooFun 4x5 stylus Coordinate Transformation Matrix 0.43 0 0.57 0 1 0 0 0 1 xinput set-prop Wacom BambooFun 4x5 eraser Coordinate Transformation Matrix 0.43 0 0.57 0 1 0 0 0 1 Dual head, left is 1680, right is 1280, and I've confined it to the right. Does the input restraining only work with absolute coordinate devices? Kevin - -- Get my public GnuPG key from http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x7D0BD5D1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkz2bNQACgkQ6w2kMH0L1dG3fgCbBIDdFrcZtAu2JBaQLAYH0mX1 WZsAn1/luUBvFT0Pw2PfR9OluVpF97Ha =cB9G -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Interactive white boards and Fedora Xorg setup
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 11:01 +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: [faked-up reply, I'm not on the list, ajax pointed it out to me on the archives. please make sure you CC me for any replies] Unlike a mouse, these pointer devices move the mouse pointer to where you touch the screen. For example, if the IWB is to the right of my laptop screen and I touch the right edge of the screen then the mouse pointer appears on the right side of my laptop screen, and not where I've touched the screen. The pointer device included with the IWB needs to be able to be configured to do two things: 1. Only work as a device for the IWB screen. The mouse shouldn't be able to be moved off the screen, only around it. 2. Calibrate the pointer so that you can declare the top/bottom/left/right of the screen (as where the image falls on the pointer device isn't usually at the extremes of the device.) Is this possible? The 1.9 X server that's already in rawhide has an coordinate transformation matrix to restrict absolute devices to essentially any rectangle on the screen. The matrix is a property on each device and can be modified with the xinput commandline tool (no GUI tools yet). For example, I've got a 1440x900 and a 1920x1200 display. To restrict my tablet to the right (larger) screen: $ xinput --set-prop Wacom Intuos4 6x9 Coordinate Transformation Matrix 0.58 0 0.42 0 1 0 0 0 1 The matrix thus looks like this: | 0.58 0 0.42 | | 01 0| | 00 1| giving us a scale into 58% of the screen range with an offset of 42%. Your numbers will likely vary but that should fix the issue for you. Peter, I've finally found a chance to take a look at this (now that I've got f14 running on my laptop) and I need a little help understanding the matrix. In your case you have two screens with the same aspect ratio (16:10), so I can see you your right hand screen is 0.58 of the total width and 0.42 across from the left hand side of the span. However, I've got a situation where one of my screens (on my laptop) is 16:9 (1920x1080) and the other is 5:4 (1280x1024) and I'm not sure how to set up the matrix for this. Are you able to supply some extra 'clues'? Can we assume the laptop screen will be on the left hand side (as this is how it defaults in Fedora, and I should be able to figure out how to adjust it if it's not)? Also, where do I get the name for the pointer device? I'm sorry to ask, but I've done some searching on google and couldn't come up with the answers. regards Rodd -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Interactive white boards and Fedora Xorg setup
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 11:01 +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: [faked-up reply, I'm not on the list, ajax pointed it out to me on the archives. please make sure you CC me for any replies] Thanks for the reply, and it's nice to know that ajax noticed this (as it appears ajax has much to do with Xorg on fedora (and I'm guessing elsewhere)). Unlike a mouse, these pointer devices move the mouse pointer to where you touch the screen. For example, if the IWB is to the right of my laptop screen and I touch the right edge of the screen then the mouse pointer appears on the right side of my laptop screen, and not where I've touched the screen. The pointer device included with the IWB needs to be able to be configured to do two things: 1. Only work as a device for the IWB screen. The mouse shouldn't be able to be moved off the screen, only around it. 2. Calibrate the pointer so that you can declare the top/bottom/left/right of the screen (as where the image falls on the pointer device isn't usually at the extremes of the device.) Is this possible? The 1.9 X server that's already in rawhide has an coordinate transformation matrix to restrict absolute devices to essentially any rectangle on the screen. The matrix is a property on each device and can be modified with the xinput commandline tool (no GUI tools yet). For example, I've got a 1440x900 and a 1920x1200 display. To restrict my tablet to the right (larger) screen: $ xinput --set-prop Wacom Intuos4 6x9 Coordinate Transformation Matrix 0.58 0 0.42 0 1 0 0 0 1 The matrix thus looks like this: | 0.58 0 0.42 | | 01 0| | 00 1| giving us a scale into 58% of the screen range with an offset of 42%. Your numbers will likely vary but that should fix the issue for you. This looks like a great start, but I'm guessing it only works in 1.9 at this stage. Will this also work in 1.8? Obviously a nice GUI tool for this where you can specify the pointer and the region visually would be the finishing touches (as this will vary for me from IWB to IWB and I'm a Relief Teacher that sees a lot of different IWBs.) Presumably this would be easy enough to implement in the Monitor Preferences (System Preferences Monitor) by including options to limit pointer devices to a particular display. The other bit of the problem is defining the mouse region for the pointer device. Unlike your wacom device (and similar devices) where the top left point of the device is quite easier to assume as the top left corner of the display, IWBs aren't so simple. IWBs have the image projected onto the screen which is also the pointer device, but it's very unlikely that the top left corner of the projected image is also at the same place as the top left corner of the screen. Since the mouse pointer moves to where you place you finger on the screen, it's important that this maps precisely so you can click buttons and drag items without a level of hit and miss (and incorrectly buttons pressed). I've even seen IWBs where the image isn't even square on the IWB, and I guess this needs to be addressed too. Any suggestions for this? Rodd -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Interactive white boards and Fedora Xorg setup
Hi, I regularly use (a variety of) interactive white boards and the single biggest frustration is getting the pointer device working so it's actually useable. Let me give you an example. I plug and IWB into my laptop and Fedora configures is as an extension to my desktop. This is great because I can drag what I want to appear on the IWB and not have to reveal my entire desktop. The pointer device in the IWB works and I can use it as a mouse, but it's rendered unusable because the mouse acts across the entire desktop (both my laptop screen and the IWB). Unlike a mouse, these pointer devices move the mouse pointer to where you touch the screen. For example, if the IWB is to the right of my laptop screen and I touch the right edge of the screen then the mouse pointer appears on the right side of my laptop screen, and not where I've touched the screen. The pointer device included with the IWB needs to be able to be configured to do two things: 1. Only work as a device for the IWB screen. The mouse shouldn't be able to be moved off the screen, only around it. 2. Calibrate the pointer so that you can declare the top/bottom/left/right of the screen (as where the image falls on the pointer device isn't usually at the extremes of the device.) Is this possible? Does this make sense? Is this something that's included in f13 (if it is I can't find it) or could it be included as a part of f14. As far as I'm concerned this is a huge feature as I'm constantly finding IWB pointer devices are useless unless I mirror (and mirroring reveals my desktop and usually squashes the icons as the laptop screen has to be sized down and then I have to move the icons back). Rodd -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Interactive white boards and Fedora Xorg setup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/03/2010 05:10 AM, Rodd Clarkson wrote: Hi, I regularly use (a variety of) interactive white boards and the single biggest frustration is getting the pointer device working so it's actually useable. Let me give you an example. I plug and IWB into my laptop and Fedora configures is as an extension to my desktop. This is great because I can drag what I want to appear on the IWB and not have to reveal my entire desktop. The pointer device in the IWB works and I can use it as a mouse, but it's rendered unusable because the mouse acts across the entire desktop (both my laptop screen and the IWB). Unlike a mouse, these pointer devices move the mouse pointer to where you touch the screen. For example, if the IWB is to the right of my laptop screen and I touch the right edge of the screen then the mouse pointer appears on the right side of my laptop screen, and not where I've touched the screen. The pointer device included with the IWB needs to be able to be configured to do two things: 1. Only work as a device for the IWB screen. The mouse shouldn't be able to be moved off the screen, only around it. 2. Calibrate the pointer so that you can declare the top/bottom/left/right of the screen (as where the image falls on the pointer device isn't usually at the extremes of the device.) Is this possible? Does this make sense? Is this something that's included in f13 (if it is I can't find it) or could it be included as a part of f14. As far as I'm concerned this is a huge feature as I'm constantly finding IWB pointer devices are useless unless I mirror (and mirroring reveals my desktop and usually squashes the icons as the laptop screen has to be sized down and then I have to move the icons back). Rodd Rodd, I've seen those white boards before. One option you might try is to disable the display on the laptop so that the IWB was the primary display. But I do like the idea of being able to tie a input device to a display. I could see this feature being useful in a normal dual monitor setup as well.. where you have a mouse that moves on both screens, but a tablet that is bound to only one screen. Using a tablet on a dual screen setup is tough because the horizontal is really touchy. Kevin - -- Get my public GnuPG key from http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x7D0BD5D1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkwvJLoACgkQ6w2kMH0L1dE17ACfVmVzFprv4kz6j3ovVTF0ulWC VuMAn2YvFD+KGJ19cOgGeiQAozh9W3KW =psy/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
