Re: is the name ok
On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 23:27:31 -0700, AW (Adam) wrote: > Speaking entirely personally, I'm firmly in the 'ditch the stupid > release names, they serve no purpose' camp. Oh so true. ;) I favour the more liberal approach. If there are people (read: resources) who handle the entire release name process without obligation and treat it like fun-stuff, fine. However, it seems to me the process becomes more and more a waste of resources in general. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 7:24 PM, george2 wrote: > There is no release criterion in the Testing/QA group for the release name. > Before millions see the latest great work from a multitude of contributors, > should this group pause to reflect if the release name is appropriate for > world wide release. I ask your attention that the name/ logo/ and parody > may offend many and may refuse to use it. I couldn't care less about users refusing to use a release because they feel offended by its codename, they can either grow up, see a doctor or just ignore it -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok
On 09/04/12 17:01, Andre Robatino wrote: People seem comfortable referring to "Windows 7". If it has a code name, I don't know it. Maybe it's just relative to other linux distros such as Ubuntu. If it was "Fedora 18.4", a name would be handy. But, personally a name should be kept internal to the planning of FedoraN+1. Personally, newbies email me for "The latest version" -- Regards, Frank "Jack of all, fubars" -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok
On 04/09/2012 10:23 PM, Jon Stanley wrote: > Well, Toshio raised an important point in the above-referenced thread > on advisory-board - just a version number makes Fedora feel cold and > distant to any new user or the press or anything like that. The > release name is also used by the design team in coming up with the > theme for the release. > > I'm personally in the "I don't care either way" camp :) I have been on the Fedora mailing lists for *years*. I can never recall someone saying "Hi, I'm new to Fedora and I am just installed $NAME." I can also never recall anyone using $NAME on the mailing lists in any form. Still you see people write FC15 instead of F15...but not $NAME. I feel $NAME is useless for users. -- Never be afraid to laugh at yourself, after all, you could be missing out on the joke of the century. -- Dame Edna Everage -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok
On 04/09/2012 02:23 PM, Jon Stanley wrote: Well, Toshio raised an important point in the above-referenced thread on advisory-board - just a version number makes Fedora feel cold and distant to any new user or the press or anything like that. The release name is also used by the design team in coming up with the theme for the release. Well for the design team it probably would be best that we switched to a naming scenario similar to OS-X as in an theme based one. I'm personally in the "I don't care either way" camp:) I'm with let's ditch it altogether side. JBG -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Larry Brower wrote: > As am I :) > > I don't see why just having a version number isn't enough. Well, Toshio raised an important point in the above-referenced thread on advisory-board - just a version number makes Fedora feel cold and distant to any new user or the press or anything like that. The release name is also used by the design team in coming up with the theme for the release. I'm personally in the "I don't care either way" camp :) -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 04/09/2012 01:27 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Speaking entirely personally, I'm firmly in the 'ditch the stupid > release names, they serve no purpose' camp. As am I :) I don't see why just having a version number isn't enough. - -- Larry Brower, CCENT Fedora Ambassador - North America Fedora Quality Assurance lbro...@fedoraproject.org http://www.fedoraproject.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJPgoMnAAoJEF1Xw4ZWTEoJqTEP/1+4boYlKRxp39MTrBgUtAax g/eM+wTj4SJFoDMdYwxSIHhfy1jebxnduT5NQWbTiC5ZImhwR5cnaFAnrDNZr1vO PzhE9Z/fQtuCbreTUnDZVXL6tH8rIBPJYHAt+fXxzHAbLYHaonj0DJyD8TSY2QvB AlPJIU9YjJHDUbyOSLTceh2xBKjpnC8xTYJV3GeaWyOhwSXjpZ8CFLZI0bMrD9F3 IIgde3gW70QQBNzdpujTBLw92MfssFvq418tReN6gRPQ4wek9bAcwW+oD3UrtVOO f1FO/fsXAGGQ4aVNUdllc835W4CbKgkfXA9+jZrgwCroHnZBooJpL5Ku08Am5DAF 7GFx+0ZZTMDW/AZ0L63utZmTl2624+EBIWZ6BBWj2L9px/93basm3R/tTNF/r/CY ErNbUZC99fjUC1zgE2pAe9HZpxA2BOzfAB/acMqTB92AUKrdwUFmzwzptNeDvZCQ W6pWRhGpLs91oQ8vDvgKu4al9YIdnjUQy2Nn1zDB/jZnV2lhlFMWVhn1SkLyj2Ym 3ckbZdbhLOQkDVStJSZS35haAY9Sz+KbU5MYw7PpsH0JpwabllQYGIFZ3J3QIe0+ W1DyYUO63o4uburbSWp0ZNlmhbXjmD4+Cf7NFUMGJ7qfDnrWcG0trDQEfLslJCyo 0jDkLfDgIY2lxdo+E5kw =8pri -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok
On Fri, 2012-04-06 at 15:37 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:24 PM, george2 wrote: > > There is no release criterion in the Testing/QA group for the release name. > > Before millions see the latest great work from a multitude of contributors, > > should this group pause to reflect if the release name is appropriate for > > world wide release. I ask your attention that the name/ logo/ and parody > > may offend many and may refuse to use it. Do you have concerns after > > looking at > > http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=beefymiracle.git;a=shortlog;h=HEAD and > > beefymiracle . org. The image of a hot dog in a bun (and in some logo > > pictures, the use of the tag line mustard indicates progress) is too laden > > with symbolism. Is there concern in this, the last group in the process to > > concur with a release GO decision, that what has been published in support > > of the release name will not offend women, parents, and many who are > > spiritual or profess a religion? > > This has *nothing* to do with QA. It however is a topic that the Board > has taken up. Further discussion on this topic should take place on > the advisory-board list. See > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2012-March/011418.html > for a starting place for the discussion that has already taken place. Is there a summary of the discussion for those of us without the will to read the whole frickin' thing? :) Speaking entirely personally, I'm firmly in the 'ditch the stupid release names, they serve no purpose' camp. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok
On Fri, 2012-04-06 at 13:24 -0400, george2 wrote: > There is no release criterion in the Testing/QA group for the release > name. > Before millions see the latest great work from a multitude of > contributors, should this group pause to reflect if the release name > is appropriate for world wide release. I ask your attention that the > name/ logo/ and parody may offend many and may refuse to use it. Do > you have concerns after looking at > http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=beefymiracle.git;a=shortlog;h=HEAD > and beefymiracle . org. The image of a hot dog in a bun (and in some > logo pictures, the use of the tag line mustard indicates progress) is > too laden with symbolism. Is there concern in this, the last group in > the process to concur with a release GO decision, that what has been > published in support of the release name will not offend women, > parents, and many who are spiritual or profess a religion? This is not QA's job at all. There is no quality to be assured. The release name gets decided under a process we aren't at all involved with. I don't see any reason why that should change. > No mater how liberal a guy I might be, this expresses a concern for > how open source might be perceived by the general public. > Even if these pictures and words were done in fun, isn't the > association now caustic. On an entirely personal note - the beefy miracle joke has been around in Fedora circles for years. There is absolutely no 'dirty' intent behind it. It's just a joke about a hot dog. If you read any more into it than that, that's entirely your own responsibility, and not anyone else's. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:24 PM, george2 wrote: > There is no release criterion in the Testing/QA group for the release name. > Before millions see the latest great work from a multitude of contributors, > should this group pause to reflect if the release name is appropriate for > world wide release. I ask your attention that the name/ logo/ and parody > may offend many and may refuse to use it. Do you have concerns after > looking at > http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=beefymiracle.git;a=shortlog;h=HEAD and > beefymiracle . org. The image of a hot dog in a bun (and in some logo > pictures, the use of the tag line mustard indicates progress) is too laden > with symbolism. Is there concern in this, the last group in the process to > concur with a release GO decision, that what has been published in support > of the release name will not offend women, parents, and many who are > spiritual or profess a religion? This has *nothing* to do with QA. It however is a topic that the Board has taken up. Further discussion on this topic should take place on the advisory-board list. See http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2012-March/011418.html for a starting place for the discussion that has already taken place. -Jon -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok (my reply a bit long)
On 04/06/2012 12:02 PM, Andre Robatino wrote: Frank Murphy gmail.com> writes: The only way to do that is not to have a name. I'd favor this. Almost no one uses the name, and when they do it only causes confusion when people have to look it up. Maybe each version could have an official artwork theme instead (which is currently associated with the name). This has all been discussed thoroughly on the board's mailing list. In case anyone wants to save themselves from a giant thread o'doom on this list. :) -Robyn -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok
On 06/04/12 20:18, Scott Doty wrote: George, just be happy they didn't go with the first choice: "Vivid animated penis." Happy Good Friday. :) Whats good about it? The pubs are closed. ;) -- Regards, Frank "Jack of all, fubars" -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok
On 04/06/2012 11:27 AM, John Dulaney wrote: This has nothing to do with QA. Seconded. George, just be happy they didn't go with the first choice: "Vivid animated penis." Happy Good Friday. :) -Scott p.s. extra points if you recognize the Usenet reference... -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok (my reply a bit long)
On 06/04/12 19:56, Rick Stevens wrote: Putting in my two cents (pence, 5% of a euro, whatever), 2% of a euro, sorry! Bad day on the keyboard. :-p Don't make much difference, 5% is now 2%, due to national debt crisis. Unless it's a personable tax, then the reverse applies. -- Regards, Frank "Jack of all, fubars" -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok (my reply a bit long)
On 04/06/2012 11:54 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 04/06/2012 11:36 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 06/04/12 18:24, george2 wrote: of the release name will not offend women, parents, and many who are spiritual or profess a religion? No mater how liberal a guy I might be, this expresses a concern for how open source might be perceived by the general public. Even if these pictures and words were done in fun, isn't the association now caustic. The only way to do that is not to have a name. Because there will always be someone to get offended. At times some common sense has to be used. Putting in my two cents (pence, 5% of a euro, whatever), 2% of a euro, sorry! Bad day on the keyboard. :-p -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Diplomacy: The art of saying "Nice doggy!" until you can find a - -big enough rock.- -- -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok (my reply a bit long)
On 04/06/2012 11:36 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 06/04/12 18:24, george2 wrote: of the release name will not offend women, parents, and many who are spiritual or profess a religion? No mater how liberal a guy I might be, this expresses a concern for how open source might be perceived by the general public. Even if these pictures and words were done in fun, isn't the association now caustic. The only way to do that is not to have a name. Because there will always be someone to get offended. At times some common sense has to be used. Putting in my two cents (pence, 5% of a euro, whatever), there is absolutely no way to prevent someone from being offended because people are so willing (in fact fervently wish) to _be_ offended. Even the name "Fedora" can cause grief. In northern Africa I can see someone whining "We've been slighted! Why didn't they name it 'Kepi'?" Or in the middle east, "burnoose". You get the drift. Chevrolet Motors had such an issue in the 60's with the "Nova". They meant "bright star", but the joke in Mexico and such was "won't go" (no va). I agree, common sense should be the guiding factor, but common sense is rapidly becoming such a rare commodity now I doubt you can find it in some places. -- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigitalri...@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2ICQ: 22643734Yahoo: origrps2 - -- - Death is nature's way of dropping carrier - -- -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: is the name ok (my reply a bit long)
On 06/04/12 18:24, george2 wrote: of the release name will not offend women, parents, and many who are spiritual or profess a religion? No mater how liberal a guy I might be, this expresses a concern for how open source might be perceived by the general public. Even if these pictures and words were done in fun, isn't the association now caustic. The only way to do that is not to have a name. Because there will always be someone to get offended. At times some common sense has to be used. For Instance: Where I live Waterford City, Ireland. There are many common expressions, that contain the word "Boy" eg. "Hey boy, how's it going" "Ok boy" "Well boy" http://www.slang.ie/index.php?county=Waterford Link to just give a hint of normal day chat. Similar can be heard in St' Johns, Newfoundland, Canada. Where many a Deise guy/gal brought their blas. Now just imagine the scene less than a decade ago, when the first people of African decent started to arrive in the town and county. yes, the racist card was brought out. But if someone takes offence at something that has been in vogue for countless generations. That's their problem. At times the offence or indeed perceived offence is purely in the eye\ear of the listener, or the naive do-gooder. Personally if I say something, and someone takes umbrage. my reply is not "I sincerely apologise for unknowingly or unintentionally offending you in whatever manner" It's "Build a bridge, get over it" -- Regards, Frank "Jack of all, fubars" -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
RE: is the name ok
This has nothing to do with QA. John. From: geor...@spanmail.net To: fedora-test-l...@redhat.com Subject: is the name ok Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 13:24:24 -0400 There is no release criterion in the Testing/QA group for the release name. Before millions see the latest great work from a multitude of contributors, should this group pause to reflect if the release name is appropriate for world wide release. I ask your attention that the name/ logo/ and parody may offend many and may refuse to use it. Do you have concerns after looking at http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=beefymiracle.git;a=shortlog;h=HEAD and beefymiracle . org. The image of a hot dog in a bun (and in some logo pictures, the use of the tag line mustard indicates progress) is too laden with symbolism. Is there concern in this, the last group in the process to concur with a release GO decision, that what has been published in support of the release name will not offend women, parents, and many who are spiritual or profess a religion? No mater how liberal a guy I might be, this expresses a concern for how open source might be perceived by the general public. Even if these pictures and words were done in fun, isn't the association now caustic. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
