Re: Anaconda Accolades
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2012-12-01 at 17:42 -0700, Peter Gueckel wrote: No need to comment. Just want to pass on experience to those up the ladder. 1. Stupid 20-minute pause (waiting for a timeout?) before the installation got underway. Thanks for the praise, but the 20 minute pause is somewhat worrying. Did you watch the console (probably too much to ask, but hey :) and see any messages that might relate to a timeout? Did you pick the media verification option or not? If you did, can you boot without it and see if it 'fixes' the delay? Thanks. I did not choose the media select (or at least I don't think I did) and also saw 20+ minute delays with no progress information while the DVD drive rapidly read data. Manually removing rd.live.check solved the issue. Looking at http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/18-Beta-RC1/Fedora/x86_64/os/isolinux/isolinux.cfgquickly it doesn't seem like that should happen, but perhaps there is confusion about if the media check option is selected or not (it is the default). I cannot get back to the computers I've been testing this on for at least a few hours though. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Anaconda Accolades
I did not choose the media select (or at least I don't think I did) and also saw 20+ minute delays with no progress information while the DVD drive rapidly read data. Manually removing rd.live.check solved the issue. It's very unfortunate the progress bar is not shown and information how to skip it is not displayed. Many people will then see it as being stuck or waiting for a timeout, and stupid. Should we make sure this problem is fixed in the final release? Currently it's proposed as NTH: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=874486 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Anaconda Accolades
On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 08:26 -0500, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: I did not choose the media select (or at least I don't think I did) and also saw 20+ minute delays with no progress information while the DVD drive rapidly read data. Manually removing rd.live.check solved the issue. Looking at http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/18-Beta-RC1/Fedora/x86_64/os/isolinux/isolinux.cfg quickly it doesn't seem like that should happen, but perhaps there is confusion about if the media check option is selected or not (it is the default). I cannot get back to the computers I've been testing this on for at least a few hours though. Media verification is the default. If it's taking 20+ minutes on a physical DVD and we have no progress indicator, that's definitely something of a problem. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Anaconda Accolades
On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 13:08 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote: On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 09:56:29AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 08:26 -0500, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: Media verification is the default. If it's taking 20+ minutes on a physical DVD and we have no progress indicator, that's definitely something of a problem. As you've said before, it's always been the default. However in the past, it was very simple to skip--which I always have because frankly, in RH it's never been reliable. Well it was completely different before - it was an option in the loader UI, with buttons and a full progress screen and stuff. Right now it's part of dracut with very minimal UI. I don't recollect running into it in recent Beta test installs--is it something that is as easily skipped as it's always been? Not right now, no, that's kind of the problem - it runs right from the boot menu with zero UI, it just runs and you wait. It doesn't even tell you it's running. You should be able to bail out of it with Esc, but apparently that doesn't work. If you catch and read the boot menu it's easy enough to skip - you just pick 'Install Fedora 18' instead of 'Verify media and install Fedora 18'. But you do have to spot it. As long as it's easily turned off that's not a problem. As it's not something _I_ use, you can put put in a progress bar or not, but I won't see it. :) (Hrrm, the Archer episode, where he and Lana are going to become human prey, comes to mind. When the villain says to go, Archer pushes Lana to the ground to get a head start--she shouts, Archer, are you really that self-centered? He shouts back, Apparently.) MANY POINTS FOR ARCHER -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Anaconda Accolades
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 10:14:59AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 13:08 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote: Media verification is the default. If it's taking 20+ minutes on a physical DVD and we have no progress indicator, that's definitely something of a problem. As you've said before, it's always been the default. However in the past, it was very simple to skip--which I always have because frankly, in RH it's never been reliable. I don't recollect running into it in recent Beta test installs--is it something that is as easily skipped as it's always been? If you catch and read the boot menu it's easy enough to skip - you just pick 'Install Fedora 18' instead of 'Verify media and install Fedora 18'. But you do have to spot it. Ok, that works for me. :) I don't know if I've spotted it or not, but don't recollect noticing anything taking overly long--hrrm, installed mostly on VMs from iso images (netinstalls) and from USBs. (Hrrm, the Archer episode, where he and Lana are going to become human prey, comes to mind. When the villain says to go, Archer pushes Lana to the ground to get a head start--she shouts, Archer, are you really that self-centered? He shouts back, Apparently.) MANY POINTS FOR ARCHER Yes, quite popular here at work. Some of the things they came up with... such as that one. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Willow: You just don't like him 'cause of that time he beat you up every day for five years. Xander: Yeah, I'm irrational that way. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Anaconda Accolades
On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 13:53 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote: On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 10:14:59AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2012-12-04 at 13:08 -0500, Scott Robbins wrote: Media verification is the default. If it's taking 20+ minutes on a physical DVD and we have no progress indicator, that's definitely something of a problem. As you've said before, it's always been the default. However in the past, it was very simple to skip--which I always have because frankly, in RH it's never been reliable. I don't recollect running into it in recent Beta test installs--is it something that is as easily skipped as it's always been? If you catch and read the boot menu it's easy enough to skip - you just pick 'Install Fedora 18' instead of 'Verify media and install Fedora 18'. But you do have to spot it. Ok, that works for me. :) I don't know if I've spotted it or not, but don't recollect noticing anything taking overly long--hrrm, installed mostly on VMs from iso images (netinstalls) and from USBs. It runs *way* faster in those cases, yeah. Rotating media really is slow. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Anaconda Accolades
Adam Williamson awilliam at redhat.com writes: I don't recollect running into it in recent Beta test installs--is it something that is as easily skipped as it's always been? Not right now, no, that's kind of the problem - it runs right from the boot menu with zero UI, it just runs and you wait. It doesn't even tell you it's running. You should be able to bail out of it with Esc, but apparently that doesn't work. If you catch and read the boot menu it's easy enough to skip - you just pick 'Install Fedora 18' instead of 'Verify media and install Fedora 18'. But you do have to spot it. Rebooting works as well to opt out, once the check starts. With the old interactive mediacheck, that was apparently the ONLY way - see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=874486#c10 . It should be easier now to opt out than it was before - with two one-keystroke options, one before the check starts and one after - but of course that depends on 874486 getting fixed. And mediacheck was the default before, with slower hardware and all. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Anaconda Accolades
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 01:53:21PM -0500, Scott Robbins wrote: On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 10:14:59AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: (Hrrm, the Archer episode, where he and Lana are going to become human prey, comes to mind. When the villain says to go, Archer pushes Lana to the ground to get a head start--she shouts, Archer, are you really that self-centered? He shouts back, Apparently.) MANY POINTS FOR ARCHER Oops, she said selfish, not self-centered. For Archer fans... http://www.scottro.net/selfish.mp4 -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Buffy: Are you crazy? You just don't sneak up on people in a graveyard. You make noise when you walk, you stomp, or... yodel. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Anaconda Accolades
On Sat, 2012-12-01 at 17:42 -0700, Peter Gueckel wrote: No need to comment. Just want to pass on experience to those up the ladder. 1. Stupid 20-minute pause (waiting for a timeout?) before the installation got underway. 2. My Intel ipw2200 wireless simply works! One configuration at install time and it works for every boot. Wow! 3. I wasn't sure about the NTP exclamation mark, so I left it and ran 'timedatectl set-ntp 1' after installation completed. Hopefully, everything is correct. 4. The dumb reclaim space button threw me after I selected 'ext4' and let me customize disk partitioning, but it seemed the only choice, so I clicked it. 5. I really liked how all of my OSes were detected: Fedora 15, Fedora 16 and Fedora 17. I wanted to reformat the Fedora 15 partition, so I clicked it and it opened up to display a root and swap. I entered / and reformat for root and left swap untouched (I want F16 and F17 fallback systems to still be able to use it, so it wouldn't be good to risk it getting a new label). Conclusion: Despite the initial delay, all went swiftly and smoothly, without a hitch. Grade: somewhere in the B+ to A- range. Great job! Thanks for the praise, but the 20 minute pause is somewhat worrying. Did you watch the console (probably too much to ask, but hey :) and see any messages that might relate to a timeout? Did you pick the media verification option or not? If you did, can you boot without it and see if it 'fixes' the delay? Thanks. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
