Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
Scott Robbins said the following on 10/15/2010 11:29 AM Pacific Time: > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:51:25AM -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: >> On 10/15/2010 11:28 AM, Scott Robbins wrote: >> >> Yeah, I can get to that without tb or firefox, but that is still really high >> load. On earlier machines I can get to very load loads (< 0.1) with just >> terminals. >> > > By golly, you're right--I'm now looking at some CentOS and > FreeBSD machines doing much more, and the load is more around 0.1. > The tip off for me was seeing any "red" in the system monitor applet, which there rarely is given my "workload." John -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
Scott Robbins said the following on 10/15/2010 10:28 AM Pacific Time: > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 06:18:37PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > >> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> >>> Now I actually look at the load stats, I do seem to have something like >>> this problem, I just never noticed (I thought Poelcat was talking about >>> CPU load % at first): > > Although not in Adam's case, as he doesn't mention thunderbird, is there > any chance for any of you others that this article is relevant? > > http://perfprotector.blogspot.com/2010/08/thunderbird-3-is-it-really-all-yours.html > > No. I see it with a fresh boot and only terminal window running. John -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:51:25AM -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 10/15/2010 11:28 AM, Scott Robbins wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 06:18:37PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm not having the problem, but generally, I run mutt and opera with > > openbox. > > > > Right now, with at least 8 rxvt-unicode terminals open, the load is > > something like 0.45 as average. > > > > > > Yeah, I can get to that without tb or firefox, but that is still really high > load. On earlier machines I can get to very load loads (< 0.1) with just > terminals. > By golly, you're right--I'm now looking at some CentOS and FreeBSD machines doing much more, and the load is more around 0.1. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Buffy: We have a marching jazz band? Oz: Yeah, but, you know, since the best jazz is improvisational, we'd be going off in all directions, banging into floats... scary. Willow: He's just being Oz. Oz: Pretty much full time. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
On 10/15/2010 11:28 AM, Scott Robbins wrote: > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 06:18:37PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > >> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> >>> Now I actually look at the load stats, I do seem to have something like >>> this problem, I just never noticed (I thought Poelcat was talking about >>> CPU load % at first): > > Although not in Adam's case, as he doesn't mention thunderbird, is there > any chance for any of you others that this article is relevant? > > http://perfprotector.blogspot.com/2010/08/thunderbird-3-is-it-really-all-yours.html > > > I'm not having the problem, but generally, I run mutt and opera with > openbox. > > Right now, with at least 8 rxvt-unicode terminals open, the load is > something like 0.45 as average. > > Yeah, I can get to that without tb or firefox, but that is still really high load. On earlier machines I can get to very load loads (< 0.1) with just terminals. -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA/CoRA DivisionFAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane or...@cora.nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.cora.nwra.com -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/15/2010 09:47 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: >40.6% (117.7) [kernel scheduler] Load balancing tick That's the thing I was seeing, only much higher before the patches. I thin it's still not where it should be. - -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAky4kIwACgkQ4v2HLvE71NUVbACfSGCEyONtWVkkPWjiOvmPTN5z wP0AniY93Jfs69TIzcNeSK8Tu+LaCOvy =RSsi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
On 10/14/2010 05:29 PM, John Poelstra wrote: > Compared to Fedora 13 and Fedora 12, I'm noticing that on my Dell XPS > M1330 laptop, the system is under a load average of 1.0+ at all times... > even with no desktop applications open. > > Naturally this makes it run hotter and shortens the battery life. > > Are other people seeing this? How to diagnose further beyond 'top' or > system monitor? > > John Also possibly relevant: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=635813 -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA/CoRA DivisionFAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane or...@cora.nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.cora.nwra.com -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 06:18:37PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> > > > > Now I actually look at the load stats, I do seem to have something like > > this problem, I just never noticed (I thought Poelcat was talking about > > CPU load % at first): Although not in Adam's case, as he doesn't mention thunderbird, is there any chance for any of you others that this article is relevant? http://perfprotector.blogspot.com/2010/08/thunderbird-3-is-it-really-all-yours.html I'm not having the problem, but generally, I run mutt and opera with openbox. Right now, with at least 8 rxvt-unicode terminals open, the load is something like 0.45 as average. -- Scott Robbins PGP keyID EB3467D6 ( 1B48 077D 66F6 9DB0 FDC2 A409 FA54 EB34 67D6 ) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys EB3467D6 Spike: I'm bad! It's just I can't bite anymore, thanks to you wankers... Bye the bye, if you're trying to kill her... (gives Riley two thumbs up) -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 10:47 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: >> On 10/14/2010 05:58 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > On 10/14/2010 04:49 PM, John Poelstra wrote: >> >> That's what's so mysterious, very little CPU time or activity. >> > >> > I saw this at one point, and the kernel folks found it to be a load >> > balancing thing gone awry in the kernel. >> > >> > 2.6.35.6-33.rc1 seems to include a patch: >> > >> > - - Add sched-35-increment-cache_nice_tries-only-on-periodic-lb.patch, >> > another fix for excessive scheduler load balancing. >> > >> > That should be in kernel-2.6.35.6-39.fc14, which is in dist-f14. My >> > load went down and the laptop (also an M1330) has cooled down a bit, but >> > it is still above one usually. >> >> With 2.6.35.6-43.fc14.i686.PAE, after letting the machine quiet down a bit >> after logging in and starting up Firefox and Thunderbird: >> >> >> top - 10:45:59 up 8 min, 14 users, load average: 0.81, 1.65, 1.12 >> Tasks: 184 total, 2 running, 182 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie >> Cpu(s): 2.0%us, 0.8%sy, 0.0%ni, 97.0%id, 0.2%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, >> 0.0%st >> >> Top causes for wakeups: >> 40.6% (117.7) [kernel scheduler] Load balancing tick >> 29.8% ( 86.4) firefox >> 5.9% ( 17.1) konsole >> 5.4% ( 15.6) PS/2 keyboard/mouse/touchpad interrupt >> 3.7% ( 10.7) thunderbird-bin >> 3.6% ( 10.5) [ata_piix] >> >> Actually moving the mouse and typing seems to bring the load back up to 1. >> Never saw it go below .8 > > Now I actually look at the load stats, I do seem to have something like > this problem, I just never noticed (I thought Poelcat was talking about > CPU load % at first): > > [ad...@adam ~]$ uptime > 10:06:28 up 1:00, 2 users, load average: 0.77, 0.76, 0.81 > > on a system where all I've done is booted and sat on IRC in a meeting > for that hour, using Firefox but nothing super crazy. Similar for me too [perobin...@neo ~]$ uptime 18:17:45 up 2 days, 23:44, 8 users, load average: 0.93, 0.91, 0.95 Peter -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 10:47 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 10/14/2010 05:58 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 10/14/2010 04:49 PM, John Poelstra wrote: > >> That's what's so mysterious, very little CPU time or activity. > > > > I saw this at one point, and the kernel folks found it to be a load > > balancing thing gone awry in the kernel. > > > > 2.6.35.6-33.rc1 seems to include a patch: > > > > - - Add sched-35-increment-cache_nice_tries-only-on-periodic-lb.patch, > > another fix for excessive scheduler load balancing. > > > > That should be in kernel-2.6.35.6-39.fc14, which is in dist-f14. My > > load went down and the laptop (also an M1330) has cooled down a bit, but > > it is still above one usually. > > With 2.6.35.6-43.fc14.i686.PAE, after letting the machine quiet down a bit > after logging in and starting up Firefox and Thunderbird: > > > top - 10:45:59 up 8 min, 14 users, load average: 0.81, 1.65, 1.12 > Tasks: 184 total, 2 running, 182 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > Cpu(s): 2.0%us, 0.8%sy, 0.0%ni, 97.0%id, 0.2%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st > > Top causes for wakeups: >40.6% (117.7) [kernel scheduler] Load balancing tick >29.8% ( 86.4) firefox > 5.9% ( 17.1) konsole > 5.4% ( 15.6) PS/2 keyboard/mouse/touchpad interrupt > 3.7% ( 10.7) thunderbird-bin > 3.6% ( 10.5) [ata_piix] > > Actually moving the mouse and typing seems to bring the load back up to 1. > Never saw it go below .8 Now I actually look at the load stats, I do seem to have something like this problem, I just never noticed (I thought Poelcat was talking about CPU load % at first): [ad...@adam ~]$ uptime 10:06:28 up 1:00, 2 users, load average: 0.77, 0.76, 0.81 on a system where all I've done is booted and sat on IRC in a meeting for that hour, using Firefox but nothing super crazy. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
Yeah, I seem to have the same problem. Tasks: 199 total, 1 running, 198 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 14.6%us, 7.9%sy, 0.1%ni, 76.9%id, 0.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.1%si, 0.0%st Mem: 3056368k total, 2275500k used, 780868k free,85872k buffers Swap: 5144572k total,0k used, 5144572k free, 1503724k cached 18:56:04 up 9:35, 3 users, load average: 1.15, 1.00, 0.91 # Fabian A. Scherschel # Host & Producer, Sixgun Productions # Member, Fedora Design Team On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 10/14/2010 05:58 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 10/14/2010 04:49 PM, John Poelstra wrote: > >> That's what's so mysterious, very little CPU time or activity. > > > > I saw this at one point, and the kernel folks found it to be a load > > balancing thing gone awry in the kernel. > > > > 2.6.35.6-33.rc1 seems to include a patch: > > > > - - Add sched-35-increment-cache_nice_tries-only-on-periodic-lb.patch, > > another fix for excessive scheduler load balancing. > > > > That should be in kernel-2.6.35.6-39.fc14, which is in dist-f14. My > > load went down and the laptop (also an M1330) has cooled down a bit, but > > it is still above one usually. > > With 2.6.35.6-43.fc14.i686.PAE, after letting the machine quiet down a bit > after logging in and starting up Firefox and Thunderbird: > > > top - 10:45:59 up 8 min, 14 users, load average: 0.81, 1.65, 1.12 > Tasks: 184 total, 2 running, 182 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > Cpu(s): 2.0%us, 0.8%sy, 0.0%ni, 97.0%id, 0.2%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, > 0.0%st > > Top causes for wakeups: > 40.6% (117.7) [kernel scheduler] Load balancing tick > 29.8% ( 86.4) firefox >5.9% ( 17.1) konsole >5.4% ( 15.6) PS/2 keyboard/mouse/touchpad interrupt >3.7% ( 10.7) thunderbird-bin >3.6% ( 10.5) [ata_piix] > > Actually moving the mouse and typing seems to bring the load back up to 1. > Never saw it go below .8 > > -- > Orion Poplawski > Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 > NWRA/CoRA DivisionFAX: 303-415-9702 > 3380 Mitchell Lane or...@cora.nwra.com > Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.cora.nwra.com > -- > test mailing list > test@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test > -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
On 10/14/2010 05:58 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10/14/2010 04:49 PM, John Poelstra wrote: >> That's what's so mysterious, very little CPU time or activity. > > I saw this at one point, and the kernel folks found it to be a load > balancing thing gone awry in the kernel. > > 2.6.35.6-33.rc1 seems to include a patch: > > - - Add sched-35-increment-cache_nice_tries-only-on-periodic-lb.patch, > another fix for excessive scheduler load balancing. > > That should be in kernel-2.6.35.6-39.fc14, which is in dist-f14. My > load went down and the laptop (also an M1330) has cooled down a bit, but > it is still above one usually. With 2.6.35.6-43.fc14.i686.PAE, after letting the machine quiet down a bit after logging in and starting up Firefox and Thunderbird: top - 10:45:59 up 8 min, 14 users, load average: 0.81, 1.65, 1.12 Tasks: 184 total, 2 running, 182 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 2.0%us, 0.8%sy, 0.0%ni, 97.0%id, 0.2%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Top causes for wakeups: 40.6% (117.7) [kernel scheduler] Load balancing tick 29.8% ( 86.4) firefox 5.9% ( 17.1) konsole 5.4% ( 15.6) PS/2 keyboard/mouse/touchpad interrupt 3.7% ( 10.7) thunderbird-bin 3.6% ( 10.5) [ata_piix] Actually moving the mouse and typing seems to bring the load back up to 1. Never saw it go below .8 -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA/CoRA DivisionFAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane or...@cora.nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.cora.nwra.com -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
On 10/14/2010 05:29 PM, John Poelstra wrote: > Compared to Fedora 13 and Fedora 12, I'm noticing that on my Dell XPS > M1330 laptop, the system is under a load average of 1.0+ at all times... > even with no desktop applications open. > > Naturally this makes it run hotter and shortens the battery life. > > Are other people seeing this? How to diagnose further beyond 'top' or > system monitor? > > John Possibly relevant: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16525 -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA/CoRA DivisionFAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane or...@cora.nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.cora.nwra.com -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
On 10/14/2010 08:15 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: > I'll bet it's beagle. Useless POS kills my laptops. I don't think beagle is installed or enabled by default. jik smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 16:29 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > Compared to Fedora 13 and Fedora 12, I'm noticing that on my Dell XPS > M1330 laptop, the system is under a load average of 1.0+ at all times... > even with no desktop applications open. > > Naturally this makes it run hotter and shortens the battery life. > > Are other people seeing this? How to diagnose further beyond 'top' or > system monitor? John, I'll bet it's beagle. Useless POS kills my laptops. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
Jesse Keating said the following on 10/14/2010 04:58 PM Pacific Time: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10/14/2010 04:49 PM, John Poelstra wrote: >> That's what's so mysterious, very little CPU time or activity. > > I saw this at one point, and the kernel folks found it to be a load > balancing thing gone awry in the kernel. > > 2.6.35.6-33.rc1 seems to include a patch: > > - - Add sched-35-increment-cache_nice_tries-only-on-periodic-lb.patch, > another fix for excessive scheduler load balancing. > > That should be in kernel-2.6.35.6-39.fc14, which is in dist-f14. My > load went down and the laptop (also an M1330) has cooled down a bit, but > it is still above one usually. > > - - I'm seeing it on another box too. I'm running 2.6.35.6-43.fc14.x86_64 John -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/14/2010 04:49 PM, John Poelstra wrote: > That's what's so mysterious, very little CPU time or activity. I saw this at one point, and the kernel folks found it to be a load balancing thing gone awry in the kernel. 2.6.35.6-33.rc1 seems to include a patch: - - Add sched-35-increment-cache_nice_tries-only-on-periodic-lb.patch, another fix for excessive scheduler load balancing. That should be in kernel-2.6.35.6-39.fc14, which is in dist-f14. My load went down and the laptop (also an M1330) has cooled down a bit, but it is still above one usually. - -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAky3mSIACgkQ4v2HLvE71NXnOwCgpF9S3QC4Uc9I39YdB3DeDQsl nJgAmgLnjFCL6AsA0HNKIj5uhj+d/Ujn =nqvU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
Adam Williamson said the following on 10/14/2010 04:38 PM Pacific Time: > On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 16:29 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: >> Compared to Fedora 13 and Fedora 12, I'm noticing that on my Dell XPS >> M1330 laptop, the system is under a load average of 1.0+ at all times... >> even with no desktop applications open. >> >> Naturally this makes it run hotter and shortens the battery life. >> >> Are other people seeing this? > > Nope. > >>How to diagnose further beyond 'top' or >> system monitor? > > Check what process is using all the CPU time, and investigate that. I'm > guessing it may be X? That's what's so mysterious, very little CPU time or activity. http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/paste-bin/f14-load.png John -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Fedora 14 under constant load
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 16:29 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > Compared to Fedora 13 and Fedora 12, I'm noticing that on my Dell XPS > M1330 laptop, the system is under a load average of 1.0+ at all times... > even with no desktop applications open. > > Naturally this makes it run hotter and shortens the battery life. > > Are other people seeing this? Nope. > How to diagnose further beyond 'top' or > system monitor? Check what process is using all the CPU time, and investigate that. I'm guessing it may be X? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
