Re: HEADS UP several very old sysconfig files are being deprecated

2012-11-08 Thread Sergio

On 10/26/2012 11:24 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:

*
**/etc/sysconfig/i18n has been replaced by /etc/locale.conf *

LANG + All LC_* variables found in /etc/sysconfig/i18n as in

LANG=
LC_CTYPE=
LC_NUMERIC=
LC_TIME=
LC_COLLATE=
LC_MONETARY=
LC_MESSAGES=
LC_PAPER=
LC_NAME=
LC_ADDRESS=
LC_TELEPHONE=
LC_MEASUREMENT=
LC_IDENTIFICATION=

belong in /etc/locale.conf

The locale settings configured in here are system-wide and are inherited
by every service or user, unless overridden or unset by individual
programs or individual users.
See  man locale.conf for further details

*/etc/sysconfig/keyboard has been change to **/etc/vconsole.conf
*
The virtual console configuration is /etc/vconsole.conf
/*
*//*NOTE THAT THE VARIABLES BEING USED HAVE CHANGED*/

SYSFONT= becomes FONT=
SYSFONTACM= becomes FONT_MAP=
UNIMAP= becomes FONT_UNIMAP=
KEYTABLE= becomes KEYMAP=

Kernel keymap and fonts is the default being used if FONT= or KEYMAP=
are not set or empty


Hi, just to make sure.
Currently my /etc/sysconfig/i18n has

LANG=en_US.UTF-8
SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16

and /etc/sysconfig/keyboard has

KEYTABLE=br-abnt2
MODEL=abnt2
LAYOUT=br

So I would create /etc/locale.conf with

LANG=en_US.UTF-8

and /etc/vconsole.conf with

FONT=latarcyrheb-sun16
KEYMAP=br-abnt2

Is that all? Should I put MODEL and LAYOUT in /etc/vconsole.conf too?

Thank you.

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Re: HEADS UP several very old sysconfig files are being deprecated

2012-11-08 Thread Sergio


--- Em qui, 8/11/12, Sergio sergiocmailbox-us...@yahoo.com.br escreveu:

 De: Sergio sergiocmailbox-us...@yahoo.com.br
 Assunto: Re: HEADS UP several very old sysconfig files are being deprecated
 Para: test@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Data: Quinta-feira, 8 de Novembro de 2012, 7:23
 On 10/26/2012 11:24 PM, Jóhann B.
 Guðmundsson wrote:
  *
  **/etc/sysconfig/i18n has been replaced by
 /etc/locale.conf *
 
  LANG + All LC_* variables found in /etc/sysconfig/i18n
 as in
 
  LANG=
  LC_CTYPE=
  LC_NUMERIC=
  LC_TIME=
  LC_COLLATE=
  LC_MONETARY=
  LC_MESSAGES=
  LC_PAPER=
  LC_NAME=
  LC_ADDRESS=
  LC_TELEPHONE=
  LC_MEASUREMENT=
  LC_IDENTIFICATION=
 
  belong in /etc/locale.conf
 
  The locale settings configured in here are system-wide
 and are inherited
  by every service or user, unless overridden or unset by
 individual
  programs or individual users.
  See  man locale.conf for further details
 
  */etc/sysconfig/keyboard has been change to
 **/etc/vconsole.conf
  *
  The virtual console configuration is
 /etc/vconsole.conf
  /*
  *//*NOTE THAT THE VARIABLES BEING USED HAVE CHANGED*/
 
  SYSFONT= becomes FONT=
  SYSFONTACM= becomes FONT_MAP=
  UNIMAP= becomes FONT_UNIMAP=
  KEYTABLE= becomes KEYMAP=
 
  Kernel keymap and fonts is the default being used if
 FONT= or KEYMAP=
  are not set or empty
 
 Hi, just to make sure.
 Currently my /etc/sysconfig/i18n has
 
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16
 
 and /etc/sysconfig/keyboard has
 
 KEYTABLE=br-abnt2
 MODEL=abnt2
 LAYOUT=br
 
 So I would create /etc/locale.conf with
 
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 
 and /etc/vconsole.conf with
 
 FONT=latarcyrheb-sun16
 KEYMAP=br-abnt2
 

Ok I read 'man locale.conf' and 'man vconsole.conf'

So in /etc/default/grub 
KEYTABLE is now vconsole.keymap
FONT is now vconsole.font
LANG is now locale.LANG


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Re: HEADS UP several very old sysconfig files are being deprecated

2012-11-08 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson

On 11/08/2012 09:23 AM, Sergio wrote:


LANG=en_US.UTF-8
SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16

and /etc/sysconfig/keyboard has

KEYTABLE=br-abnt2
MODEL=abnt2
LAYOUT=br

So I would create /etc/locale.conf with

LANG=en_US.UTF-8

and /etc/vconsole.conf with

FONT=latarcyrheb-sun16
KEYMAP=br-abnt2

Is that all? Should I put MODEL and LAYOUT in /etc/vconsole.conf too? 


The legacy files get migrated for you not by you so you should not have 
to do anything.


The only thing you have to do is start using the new files if you are 
going to make changes ( or create entries )


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Re: HEADS UP several very old sysconfig files are being deprecated

2012-11-08 Thread Sergio


--- Em qui, 8/11/12, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com escreveu:

 De: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com
 Assunto: Re: HEADS UP several very old sysconfig files are being deprecated
 Para: test@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Data: Quinta-feira, 8 de Novembro de 2012, 9:43
 On 11/08/2012 09:23 AM, Sergio
 wrote:
 
  LANG=en_US.UTF-8
  SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16
 
  and /etc/sysconfig/keyboard has
 
  KEYTABLE=br-abnt2
  MODEL=abnt2
  LAYOUT=br
 
  So I would create /etc/locale.conf with
 
  LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 
  and /etc/vconsole.conf with
 
  FONT=latarcyrheb-sun16
  KEYMAP=br-abnt2
 
  Is that all? Should I put MODEL and LAYOUT in
 /etc/vconsole.conf too? 
 
 The legacy files get migrated for you not by you so you
 should not have 
 to do anything.
 
 The only thing you have to do is start using the new files
 if you are 
 going to make changes ( or create entries )
 
 JBG

Thanks, I changed them with localectl now but haven't restarted X yet to see if 
it will read the keyboard layout properly.

But the legacy files weren't migrated. I upgraded with yum, maybe that was the 
reason?
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Re: HEADS UP several very old sysconfig files are being deprecated

2012-11-07 Thread Sergio

On 10/26/2012 11:24 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:



*/etc/sysconfig/keyboard has been change to **/etc/vconsole.conf
*
The virtual console configuration is /etc/vconsole.conf
/*
*//*NOTE THAT THE VARIABLES BEING USED HAVE CHANGED*/

SYSFONT= becomes FONT=
SYSFONTACM= becomes FONT_MAP=
UNIMAP= becomes FONT_UNIMAP=
KEYTABLE= becomes KEYMAP=

Kernel keymap and fonts is the default being used if FONT= or KEYMAP=
are not set or empty


You mean this is only out of X?
I upgraded today from F17 via yum and didn't create /etc/vconsole.conf yet.

cat /proc/cmdline
... KEYTABLE=br-abnt2 ...

and it works properly out of X.
But X loads the 'us' keymap due to evdev:

cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
{snip}
[43.769] (**) Option xkb_rules evdev
[43.769] (**) Option xkb_model evdev
[43.769] (**) Option xkb_layout us
{snip}
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Re: HEADS UP several very old sysconfig files are being deprecated

2012-10-27 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 01:24:34AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
 The following sysconfig files are being deprecated
 /etc/sysconfig/clock, /etc/sysconfig/i18n,/etc/sysconfig/keyboard,
 /etc/sysconfig/network ( Hostname only )
 These changes should be transparent  ( they are migrated to systemd
 native files ) but various applications might still using the
 deprecated files so be on the look out and report any bug you come
 across.

Just to be clear: are values found in these files _read_ if found, and
migrated to the native files?



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Re: HEADS UP several very old sysconfig files are being deprecated

2012-10-27 Thread Chris Murphy

On Oct 26, 2012, at 8:30 PM, John Morris jmor...@beau.org wrote:

 On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 01:24 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
 
 I highly recommend against setting the hardware clock to localtime but
 because I know some of you guys are dual booting with windows and to
 lazy to fix the registry here's how you set the hardware clock to use
 localtime instead..
 
 # timedatectl set-local-rtc 1
 
 This all looks good, especially keeping this.  It isn't just coexistence
 with Windows that makes it a good idea to put local time into the CMOS
 clock.  

FWIW, UEFI spec prescribes setting local time + timezone + DST.


Chris Murphy


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Re: HEADS UP several very old sysconfig files are being deprecated

2012-10-27 Thread Michel Alexandre Salim
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On 10/27/2012 08:24 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
 Just a bit of heads up about the recent changes taking place in
 systemd ( 195 )  for F18+...
 
 The following sysconfig files are being deprecated
 /etc/sysconfig/clock, /etc/sysconfig/i18n,/etc/sysconfig/keyboard,
 /etc/sysconfig/network ( Hostname only )
 
...

 
 I highly recommend against setting the hardware clock to localtime
 but because I know some of you guys are dual booting with windows
 and to lazy to fix the registry here's how you set the hardware
 clock to use localtime instead..
 
 # timedatectl set-local-rtc 1
 
 To set configure the clock to use network time protocol start by 
 configuring ntp then enable the service
 
 # systemctl enable ntpd.service
 
shouldn't that be chronyd.service - or are we reverting back to ntpd?

 I think that's about it for the most part so keep watching out for
 those bugs
 
I got hit by a bug starting a few days ago that seems related to this:

  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=870535

Basically, about 6 seconds into boot, systemd applies my time zone
offset to the system clock, even though it already detects that the
RTC is set to localtime.

Regards,

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Re: HEADS UP several very old sysconfig files are being deprecated

2012-10-26 Thread Pete Travis
On Oct 26, 2012 7:27 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just a bit of heads up about the recent changes taking place in systemd
( 195 )  for F18+...
(snip)
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Thanks for the writeup, Jóhann. There's a lot of good info here.

Do you mind if I drop this into the F18 release notes, verbatim? It would
really help, as we're getting close to freezing for translation.

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Re: HEADS UP several very old sysconfig files are being deprecated

2012-10-26 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson

On 10/27/2012 01:43 AM, Pete Travis wrote:



On Oct 26, 2012 7:27 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com 
mailto:johan...@gmail.com wrote:


 Just a bit of heads up about the recent changes taking place in 
systemd  ( 195 )  for F18+...

(snip)
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

Thanks for the writeup, Jóhann. There's a lot of good info here.

Do you mind if I drop this into the F18 release notes, verbatim? It 
would really help, as we're getting close to freezing for translation.




Yeah sure clean up my English and put it in there I'm going to see if I 
cant wikify this and bunch of other additional useful information ( 
although not change in current behavior just add on bits ) that came 
with the 194


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Re: HEADS UP several very old sysconfig files are being deprecated

2012-10-26 Thread John Morris
On Sat, 2012-10-27 at 01:24 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:

 I highly recommend against setting the hardware clock to localtime but
 because I know some of you guys are dual booting with windows and to
 lazy to fix the registry here's how you set the hardware clock to use
 localtime instead..
 
 # timedatectl set-local-rtc 1

This all looks good, especially keeping this.  It isn't just coexistence
with Windows that makes it a good idea to put local time into the CMOS
clock.  If you want to wake up a machine in the morning it is a lot
simpler to do with local time in the clock, otherwise you either have it
waking up an hour early half the year or manually twiddle twice a year.

Complete shutdown saves even more electricity than suspend and is less
error prone on the typical desktop.  Which adds up if you have a lot of
desktops.  I only have a few dozen but every dollar that isn't wasted
helps.


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Re: HEADS UP several very old sysconfig files are being deprecated

2012-10-26 Thread Pete Travis
On Oct 26, 2012 8:01 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 10/27/2012 01:43 AM, Pete Travis wrote:


 On Oct 26, 2012 7:27 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
  Just a bit of heads up about the recent changes taking place in
systemd  ( 195 )  for F18+...
 (snip)
  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

 Thanks for the writeup, Jóhann. There's a lot of good info here.

 Do you mind if I drop this into the F18 release notes, verbatim? It
would really help, as we're getting close to freezing for translation.


 Yeah sure clean up my English and put it in there I'm going to see if I
cant wikify this and bunch of other additional useful information (
although not change in current behavior just add on bits ) that came with
the 194

 JBG

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Thanks! Should I let it be for now, if you're revising further and putting
it on the wiki somewhere?  I'll be working on the release notes on and off
over the weekend, so feel free to shout at me by email or as 'randomuser'
on freenode and we will make sure it gets included.

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