Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 18:47, John Morris  wrote:

> Well once upon a time I'd have agreed.  But these days when you see
> something totally insane you can't just assume it is a bug.  Because
> half the time when you do just report it as one it gets instantly closed
> as not a bug.  So people have learned to ask first.  Unfortunately the
> asking tends to take a WTF?!? flavor.
>

Needless to say I agree John. :))

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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[John Morris]

On Mon, 2012-04-16 at 23:16 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:

> Well, I must say that your original post read, to me, more like a rant than 
> seeking
> opinions/assistance.  So much so that I dismissed it.  FWIW, when folks say 
> things
> such as"Who in his right mind thought these only two options were the only
> possible options?" and write Subject lines like yours,  I don't give their 
> posts much
> thought  That's just me.

Well once upon a time I'd have agreed.  But these days when you see
something totally insane you can't just assume it is a bug.  Because
half the time when you do just report it as one it gets instantly closed
as not a bug.  So people have learned to ask first.  Unfortunately the
asking tends to take a WTF?!? flavor.


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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 17:26, Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> Look in System Settings->Removable Media.  There are a bunch of settings
> there that might help you.


Yes, but that removes the feature system-wide. Instead, what I propose is a
way to continue having those notifications, but be able to run Shotwell
when needed, or "escape" (do nothing, open folder) when one so wishes. IE I
might insert a pen drive (or SD card) to copy some files to it, not
necessarily to index the pictures that might be available on the media.

Yet, in other instances, i MIGHT want to run shotwell. Switching the global
settings for removable storage back and forth doesn' t strike me as a very
sensible proposition...

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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Samuel Sieb]

Fernando Cassia wrote:

That´s why I think other options should be offered, like ¨open folder¨ or ¨do
nothing¨.

Look in System Settings->Removable Media.  There are a bunch of settings there 
that might help you.  In F16, I tried to set the photo option to just open with 
files, but it didn't seem to actually work.  I ended up just turning off the 
checkbox on the bottom for no auto handling, which works just fine for me.

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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/17/2012 11:39 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 22:18 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 04/17/2012 09:32 PM, Bahtiar Gadimov wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 20:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
 So, what component is responsible?   I think it could use a 
 bugzillaunless it has
 already been reported.
>>> Shouldn't you report that directly to gnome?
>>> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi
>>>
>>>
>> In the past, bugzillas that weren't specific to Fedora were "kicked 
>> upstairs" by the
>> fedora package maintainer.  Is that no longer the case?
> It is, but if we already know it's not a Fedora-specific bug, why not
> cut out the middleman and save everyone time and trouble?

OK  But do we *know* that simply because it is GNOME and no customization 
is done
and no Fedora specific patches are applied?

>
>> Besides, I'm a KDE user.  So, I've no clue as to what component within GNOME 
>> this
>> should be reported against.  Is is only a configuration issue?
> I wouldn't worry too much about it. Just pick Shell or Nautilus, it'll
> get corrected by the maintainer if it's wrong

I love black boxes.  Sure would like to know how the "insert" process is 
handled and
where these decisions are made.

Well, I suppose I'll just file it upstream (the term I couldn't recall) when I 
wake up.


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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Adam Williamson]

On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 22:18 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 04/17/2012 09:32 PM, Bahtiar Gadimov wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 20:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> >> So, what component is responsible?   I think it could use a 
> >> bugzillaunless it has
> >> already been reported.
> > Shouldn't you report that directly to gnome?
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi
> >
> >
> 
> In the past, bugzillas that weren't specific to Fedora were "kicked upstairs" 
> by the
> fedora package maintainer.  Is that no longer the case?

It is, but if we already know it's not a Fedora-specific bug, why not
cut out the middleman and save everyone time and trouble?

> Besides, I'm a KDE user.  So, I've no clue as to what component within GNOME 
> this
> should be reported against.  Is is only a configuration issue?

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Just pick Shell or Nautilus, it'll
get corrected by the maintainer if it's wrong
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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/17/2012 09:32 PM, Bahtiar Gadimov wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 20:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> So, what component is responsible?   I think it could use a 
>> bugzillaunless it has
>> already been reported.
> Shouldn't you report that directly to gnome?
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi
>
>

In the past, bugzillas that weren't specific to Fedora were "kicked upstairs" 
by the
fedora package maintainer.  Is that no longer the case?

Besides, I'm a KDE user.  So, I've no clue as to what component within GNOME 
this
should be reported against.  Is is only a configuration issue?

If you know what component is involved, please let me know.  I'll be happy to 
write
bugzillas in both places if I have to.  What's another login?  :-)

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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Bahtiar Gadimov]

On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 20:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> So, what component is responsible?   I think it could use a 
> bugzillaunless it has
> already been reported.

Shouldn't you report that directly to gnome?
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi


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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/17/2012 07:18 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Did the medium you tested with have a DCIM directory? If you create one,
> do you start seeing what Fernando sees?

That does seem to have been the key.  Previously my medium didn't have a DCIM 
directory.

After adding it, my choices are to either

1.  Open with Shotwell
2.  Eject

I would agree that to be a limiting choice.  KDE, which I use, give you a wider 
choice.

So, what component is responsible?   I think it could use a bugzillaunless 
it has
already been reported.

And, it also should offer more than one import choice if capable applications 
other
than ShotWell have been installed

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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/17/2012 07:18 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Did the medium you tested with have a DCIM directory? If you create one,
> do you start seeing what Fernando sees?

That does seem to have been the key.  Previously my medium didn't have a DCIM 
directory.

After adding it, my choices are to either

1.  Open with Shotwell
2.  Eject

I would agree that to be a limiting choice.  KDE, which I use, give you a wider 
choice.

So, what component is responsible?   I think it could use a bugzillaunless 
it has
already been reported.

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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 08:10, Adam Williamson  wrote:

> I think it only pops up on media that GNOME considers to be 'photo
> media'.
>
>
Thanks Adam,

That seems to nail it.

I use a USB ´pen drive´ that also acts as a sd card reader.
And yes, it does have a DCIM folder.

Yet I plugged it in to copy random files to it, not import images. And even
if there were images in there, that´s not a good enough reason to fire up
the photo indexing app. Maybe he user wants to use a bitmap editor, copy
files, etc.

That´s why I think other options should be offered, like ¨open folder¨ or
¨do nothing¨.

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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Adam Williamson]

On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 12:27 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 04/17/2012 12:14 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 00:54, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> >> So, I don't see what you are seeing.  What else have you installed?
> > Maybe shotwell is not installed by default on the livecd? I made an
> > install to hd of f17 beta (rc3).
> 
> It is not.  That is why I said "I installed both shotwell and digikam".  
> (After doing
> an install to HD, which I failed to mention.)
> 
> I *never* saw the behavior you reported with shotwell, digikam, and now 
> gwenview
> installed.  So, I don't know how you got into the situation you did in order 
> to
> complain about it.
> 
> So, with that in mind, I don't feel there is anything to tell anyone unless 
> the issue
> can be reproduced.

Did the medium you tested with have a DCIM directory? If you create one,
do you start seeing what Fernando sees?
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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Adam Williamson]

On Mon, 2012-04-16 at 11:27 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:23, Matej Cepl  wrote:
> Please, if you are not willing to file bugs, what you are
> doing here?
> 
> Matěj
> 
> Who said I wasn' t?. Just posted it here to try see if others shared
> my view or maybe there was some trick to make it behave differently.

I think it only pops up on media that GNOME considers to be 'photo
media'.

I'm not sure the heuristics here aren't out of date, though. I think
anything with a DCIM directory, basically, gets treated as if all it had
on it was photos - but these days just about any SD card that's ever
been connected to a phone will have a DCIM directory...I don't know what
the answer is, but I think 'assume anything that has pictures on it is
exclusively to do with pictures and just open up Shotwell when it's
plugged in' is not really good enough.

desktop@ would probably be the list for this, though.
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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/17/2012 12:14 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 00:54, Ed Greshko  wrote:
>> So, I don't see what you are seeing.  What else have you installed?
> Maybe shotwell is not installed by default on the livecd? I made an
> install to hd of f17 beta (rc3).

It is not.  That is why I said "I installed both shotwell and digikam".  (After 
doing
an install to HD, which I failed to mention.)

I *never* saw the behavior you reported with shotwell, digikam, and now gwenview
installed.  So, I don't know how you got into the situation you did in order to
complain about it.

So, with that in mind, I don't feel there is anything to tell anyone unless the 
issue
can be reproduced.



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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Fernando Cassia]

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 00:54, Ed Greshko  wrote:
> So, I don't see what you are seeing.  What else have you installed?

Maybe shotwell is not installed by default on the livecd? I made an
install to hd of f17 beta (rc3).

Upon I got fed up with shotwell and removed it from my system, it
returned to the behaviour you are seeing, which is fine by me.

I guess in the end the point that should be made to shotwell devs is
that in any case if the program overrides the standard notifications,
then the program´s own notifications should not be just the two
current ones "Import pics, or eject" but rather also "open as
files"... (or I´d add, ´do nothing´)

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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/14/2012 09:14 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> I plug a removable USB drive into the system and the transparent
> window pops up telling me if I want to:
>
> 1. Import the pictures into this software
> 2. Eject.

FWIW, I just installed the latest F17 Live Desktop beta.

Upon plugging in a USB flash drive I get a popup at the bottom with the options 
for...

1.  Open with Files
2.  Eject

I don't get "Import the pictures into this software"

I installed both shotwell and digikam and I don't get any options to import into
either of them.

So, I don't see what you are seeing.  What else have you installed?

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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Fernando Cassia]

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:16, Ed Greshko  wrote:

>  FWIW, when folks say things
> such as"Who in his right mind thought these only two options were the
> only
> possible options?" and write Subject lines like yours,  I don't give their
> posts much
> thought  That's just me.
>

:) Dramatic effect. Must be being Latin and all..
I bet in Italy they'd be yelling and chasing programmers around a large
table with a knife, instead of wriing to mailing lists. ;-)
JOKE JOKE!

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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Ed Greshko]

On 04/16/2012 10:27 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:23, Matej Cepl  > wrote:
>
> Please, if you are not willing to file bugs, what you are doing here?
>
> Matěj
>
>
> Who said I wasn' t?. Just posted it here to try see if others shared my view 
> or
> maybe there was some trick to make it behave differently.
>
>

Well, I must say that your original post read, to me, more like a rant than 
seeking
opinions/assistance.  So much so that I dismissed it.  FWIW, when folks say 
things
such as"Who in his right mind thought these only two options were the only
possible options?" and write Subject lines like yours,  I don't give their 
posts much
thought  That's just me.

But, if I have time later tomorrow (almost midnight), I may take a look at it 
to see
if there is something you're missing or if your rant has any merit.

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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Fernando Cassia]

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:23, Matej Cepl  wrote:

> Please, if you are not willing to file bugs, what you are doing here?
>
> Matěj
>

Who said I wasn' t?. Just posted it here to try see if others shared my
view or maybe there was some trick to make it behave differently.

Best regards...
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Re: It must be said: the photo import app in F17 is the most intrusive annoying piece of sw I've seen

[Matej Cepl]

On 14.4.2012 15:14, Fernando Cassia wrote:

I find the photo import app in Fedora 17 the most intrusive, annoying
piece of software I've seen in a long, long time.


It certainly must be said ... but not here. bugzilla.redhat.com is the 
proper space to relieve your frustration.


Please, if you are not willing to file bugs, what you are doing here?

Matěj


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