Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state
On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 19:45:46 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > >>> Rebooted a few times, and suddenly the symptoms are gone again. > >>> It's like something doesn't initialize correctly when it happens. > > > >> Are you using Wayland or Xorg? > > > > Currently Wayland and Nouveau driver, which are the default. > > Try switching to Xorg instead and see if that makes a difference. You > can edit the /etc/gdm/custom.conf to disable Wayland. As in the original post that opened this thread, | Switching the login settings from Wayland to Xorg at least results | in a usable GNOME Shell. however that may be a fallacy. As it has turned out, Wayland also works fine most of the time, provided that everything initializes correctly when booting the machine. If there is noticable lag on the GDM screen already, and then mouse pointer movement is slow and stutters, and simple actions such as opening the menu in the top right corner become troublesome, too, logging in doesn't fix anything. Only a reboot does, but not always either. Conclusively, F29 GNOME Workstation works with defaults _most of the time_ without using the proprietary drivers, but it would be better if those mysterious problems could be avoided. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state
On 9/22/18 4:51 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:28:36 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: Rebooted a few times, and suddenly the symptoms are gone again. It's like something doesn't initialize correctly when it happens. Are you using Wayland or Xorg? Currently Wayland and Nouveau driver, which are the default. Try switching to Xorg instead and see if that makes a difference. You can edit the /etc/gdm/custom.conf to disable Wayland. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state
I don't think the `nouveau` kernel module is a viable option on newer NVidia cards. I have a laptop with a 1050Ti and nouveau flat out doesn't work - it either black screens or freezes at some random point after showing the display. This is cross-distro; I have the same problem with Ubuntu Bionic, Antergos and Fedora 29 Live beta 1.5. I filed a bug in Bugzilla last night (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1631934) but this is most likely upstream. On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 4:51 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:28:36 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > >> > Rebooted a few times, and suddenly the symptoms are gone again. >> > It's like something doesn't initialize correctly when it happens. > >> Are you using Wayland or Xorg? > > Currently Wayland and Nouveau driver, which are the default. > > When it occurs, on the GDM screen the lag is noticable already. It doesn't > make sense to log in then. The mouse pointer doesn't move cleanly. Logging > in suffers from delays. And then it becomes worse and worse. One can barely > move the mouse anymore to use GUI elements. It takes two seconds for windows > to open. Denial of service. As if something throttles graphics operations > due to not setting up the hardware properly. > > When it doesn't occur, everything is fine already at the GDM screen. > ___ > test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Mastering DFS Analytics https://leanpub.com/masteringdfsanalytics Markovs of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains! ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:28:36 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > Rebooted a few times, and suddenly the symptoms are gone again. > > It's like something doesn't initialize correctly when it happens. > Are you using Wayland or Xorg? Currently Wayland and Nouveau driver, which are the default. When it occurs, on the GDM screen the lag is noticable already. It doesn't make sense to log in then. The mouse pointer doesn't move cleanly. Logging in suffers from delays. And then it becomes worse and worse. One can barely move the mouse anymore to use GUI elements. It takes two seconds for windows to open. Denial of service. As if something throttles graphics operations due to not setting up the hardware properly. When it doesn't occur, everything is fine already at the GDM screen. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state
On 9/21/18 10:20 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 17:33:11 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: A few days later, and GNOME Shell is hardly usable anymore. Mouse lag, stuttering, wiindow usage taking seconds, itt gets slower and slower. Just watch these typos as a result of trying to compose this email. Spontaneous key repetition because of major lag. F29 Rebooted a few times, and suddently the symptoms are gone again. It's like something doesn't initialize correctly when it happens. Are you using Wayland or Xorg? ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 17:33:11 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > A few days later, and GNOME Shell is hardly usable anymore. > Mouse lag, stuttering, wiindow usage taking seconds, > itt gets slower and slower. Just watch these typos > as a result of trying to compose this email. Spontaneous > key repetition because of major lag. > > F29 Rebooted a few times, and suddently the symptoms are gone again. It's like something doesn't initialize correctly when it happens. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state
A few days later, and GNOME Shell is hardly usable anymore. Mouse lag, stuttering, wiindow usage taking seconds, itt gets slower and slower. Just watch these typos as a result of trying to compose this email. Spontaneous key repetition because of major lag. F29 ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 10:58:41 -0500, you wrote: >On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:52 AM Michael Schwendt >wrote: > >> The F28 reference installation with rpmfusion's nvidia driver packages >> (based on akmod I think) has stopped working all of a sudden, warns about >> falling back to nouveau and then crashes upon gdm login. >> > >The errors messages are not helpful and it took me a while to figure out >but when I had that problem it's because my card was no longer compatible >with the latest drivers (GTS-450) and as soon as I downloaded one of the >older versions and rerun akmods it worked. Nvidia announced dropping Fermi support back in April https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4654 ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:52 AM Michael Schwendt wrote: > The F28 reference installation with rpmfusion's nvidia driver packages > (based on akmod I think) has stopped working all of a sudden, warns about > falling back to nouveau and then crashes upon gdm login. > The errors messages are not helpful and it took me a while to figure out but when I had that problem it's because my card was no longer compatible with the latest drivers (GTS-450) and as soon as I downloaded one of the older versions and rerun akmods it worked. Thanks, Richard ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 16:55:05 -0700, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > I have no interest in running Fedora on that machine. I have a working > system with Arch and unless that changes I don't see any reason to > troubleshoot other distros. You are posting to Fedora test@ list, on the other hand, and the subject in question is unrelated to whether you want to run Fedora. While it may be seen as relevant to tell how other dists perform with the same hardware, above post is non-productive. The F28 reference installation with rpmfusion's nvidia driver packages (based on akmod I think) has stopped working all of a sudden, warns about falling back to nouveau and then crashes upon gdm login. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state
I have no interest in running Fedora on that machine. I have a working system with Arch and unless that changes I don't see any reason to troubleshoot other distros. On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 11:10:02 -0700, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > >> I have an HP Omen with Core i7 integrated Intel graphics and an NVidia >> 1050Ti. With recent versions of the kernel (Ubuntu 18.04 and Arch) it >> is unusable if the standard Linux "nouveau" driver gets loaded - >> screen freezes, sometimes black screens. I've had to blacklist it >> (modprobe.blacklist=nouveau on the kernel parameters line) to get it >> to come up with the Intel GPU. Then I install the proprietary drivers. >> I haven't tried Fedora. > > What I've learned so far: > > F29 Updates-Testing is strictly required, since without the test > updates from today (or yesterday), an installation made with the Live > Workstation image suffers badly. One of the test updates fixes that. > And still with Nouveau driver, not the proprietary one. > > Dunno yet what may work with F28 down to F26. Perhaps a fresh installation, > because Fedora's steady flood of updates makes things worse often. > ___ > test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Mastering DFS Analytics https://leanpub.com/masteringdfsanalytics Markovs of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains! ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 11:10:02 -0700, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > I have an HP Omen with Core i7 integrated Intel graphics and an NVidia > 1050Ti. With recent versions of the kernel (Ubuntu 18.04 and Arch) it > is unusable if the standard Linux "nouveau" driver gets loaded - > screen freezes, sometimes black screens. I've had to blacklist it > (modprobe.blacklist=nouveau on the kernel parameters line) to get it > to come up with the Intel GPU. Then I install the proprietary drivers. > I haven't tried Fedora. What I've learned so far: F29 Updates-Testing is strictly required, since without the test updates from today (or yesterday), an installation made with the Live Workstation image suffers badly. One of the test updates fixes that. And still with Nouveau driver, not the proprietary one. Dunno yet what may work with F28 down to F26. Perhaps a fresh installation, because Fedora's steady flood of updates makes things worse often. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state
I have an HP Omen with Core i7 integrated Intel graphics and an NVidia 1050Ti. With recent versions of the kernel (Ubuntu 18.04 and Arch) it is unusable if the standard Linux "nouveau" driver gets loaded - screen freezes, sometimes black screens. I've had to blacklist it (modprobe.blacklist=nouveau on the kernel parameters line) to get it to come up with the Intel GPU. Then I install the proprietary drivers. I haven't tried Fedora. You can probably do a web search to find out when "nouveau" lost its ability to deal with NVidia cards; I just got the machine last December and it was broken back then. On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 4:18 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > What's the current state of Fedora with regard to Nvidia graphics hardware? > Should it just work? > > On a machine with GeForce GTX 1060, Fedora 28 suffers badly from freezes and > slowdowns during boot, unbearable slow mouse movement on the GDM login > screen, then more freezes before GNOME Shell appears but isn't really > usable because everything is slow as a snail. Switching the login settings > from Wayland to Xorg at least results in a usable GNOME Shell. Installing > the Nvidia driver packages from rpmfusion hasn't made a difference. > > The current Fedora 29 Live Workstation image starts, but faces mysterious > freezes before the desktop appears. Installation to harddisk has worked, but > I've run into a series of unrelated issues, and the performance of GNOME Shell > isn't pretty. It takes too long to start a terminal, or suddenly the shell > freezes for 10-15 seconds and restarts. > ___ > test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Mastering DFS Analytics https://leanpub.com/masteringdfsanalytics Markovs of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains! ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state
> What's the current state of Fedora with regard to Nvidia graphics hardware? > Should it just work? > > On a machine with GeForce GTX 1060, Fedora 28 suffers badly from freezes and > slowdowns during boot, unbearable slow mouse movement on the GDM login > screen, then more freezes before GNOME Shell appears but isn't really > usable because everything is slow as a snail. Switching the login settings > from Wayland to Xorg at least results in a usable GNOME Shell. Installing > the Nvidia driver packages from rpmfusion hasn't made a difference. I'm running fedora 28 on a system with an nvidia GTX 1070, using the binary drivers from negativo17's repository - and I have no issues with that setup whatsoever. Installing the nvidia-driver and akmod-nvidia packages was enough to get it working flawlessly, and I haven't had to touch that setup since (except when testing too-new kernels). Fabio > The current Fedora 29 Live Workstation image starts, but faces mysterious > freezes before the desktop appears. Installation to harddisk has worked, but > I've run into a series of unrelated issues, and the performance of GNOME Shell > isn't pretty. It takes too long to start a terminal, or suddenly the shell > freezes for 10-15 seconds and restarts. ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Nvidia and Fedora current state
On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 6:19 AM Michael Schwendt wrote: > On a machine with GeForce GTX 1060, Fedora 28 suffers badly from freezes > and > slowdowns during boot, unbearable slow mouse movement on the GDM login > screen, then more freezes before GNOME Shell appears but isn't really > usable because everything is slow as a snail. Switching the login settings > from Wayland to Xorg at least results in a usable GNOME Shell. Installing > the Nvidia driver packages from rpmfusion hasn't made a difference. > I've had mostly good experiences while using the binary drivers from Nvidia (with a few exceptions over the years). If it's still not working properly with them there may be something else going on, but I'd like to know if you figure it out because I'm looking to upgrade to a 1050Ti in the near future. Thanks, Richard ___ test mailing list -- test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to test-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org
