Re: Preupgrade change?
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 20:10 +, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 1 November 2010 17:20, Adam Williamson wrote: > > A few days after would be rather bad and should have been previously > > clearly communicated, given that preupgrade is one of our official 'Good > > Ways To Upgrade' and lots of people want to upgrade on release day. If > > there's a significant chance preupgrading to F14 won't be possible on > > release day, could you please co-ordinate with the appropriate teams to > > ensure the PRs that go out on release day explain this and give an ETA > > for preupgrade? > > Sorry, I misunderstood. preupgrade to f14 should work on release day, > as it should get the release data from > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/releases.txt (someone just has to > update stable=true on release day and sync it) -- what will take a few > days is for me to push a preupgrade package that enables the "There is > a new release available" notification. > > There's no reason to push this on release day as clients only check > for new releases once a week by default. Ohhh, okay. Carry on then! Sorry for the pantscon alert :) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Preupgrade change?
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 13:25 -0400, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
> (Sorry for top-posting, blame blackberry and me)
>
> IMHO - if preupgrade doesn't work for those running F13 - it would be a
> blocker for F14 release IMHO.
Not to worry, see #10 on
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_Beta_Release_Criteria
The installer must be able to successfully complete an upgrade
installation from a clean, fully updated default installation of
the previous stable Fedora release, either via preupgrade or by
booting to the installer manually
Thanks,
James
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> On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 19:26 +, Richard Hughes wrote:
> > On 30 October 2010 19:48, Paul Frields wrote:
> > > *
> > > https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/changeset?new=data%40d42e6189dbe4ad7591d422f200a31ad196125dcc&old=data%404157e81ce428be819a957a31be5a19bcc6bd2efe
> > > Shouldn't Rawhide always stay in the list of releases?
> >
> > No, we can no longer preupgrade to rawhide.
> >
> > > * Will there be a preupgrade available on release day for F1{2,3} ->
> > > F14? I thought I saw discussion about this either here on the test
> > > list or elsewhere but I can't seem to find it -- sorry for being
> > > repetitive if this has already been discussed.
> >
> > Yes, possibly a few days after.
>
> A few days after would be rather bad and should have been previously
> clearly communicated, given that preupgrade is one of our official 'Good
> Ways To Upgrade' and lots of people want to upgrade on release day. If
> there's a significant chance preupgrading to F14 won't be possible on
> release day, could you please co-ordinate with the appropriate teams to
> ensure the PRs that go out on release day explain this and give an ETA
> for preupgrade?
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Re: Preupgrade change?
On 1 November 2010 17:20, Adam Williamson wrote: > A few days after would be rather bad and should have been previously > clearly communicated, given that preupgrade is one of our official 'Good > Ways To Upgrade' and lots of people want to upgrade on release day. If > there's a significant chance preupgrading to F14 won't be possible on > release day, could you please co-ordinate with the appropriate teams to > ensure the PRs that go out on release day explain this and give an ETA > for preupgrade? Sorry, I misunderstood. preupgrade to f14 should work on release day, as it should get the release data from http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/releases.txt (someone just has to update stable=true on release day and sync it) -- what will take a few days is for me to push a preupgrade package that enables the "There is a new release available" notification. There's no reason to push this on release day as clients only check for new releases once a week by default. Richard. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Devices (was Re: Preupgrade change?)
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 19:19 +, Peter Robinson wrote: > That might be the case in the US, its not the case in the UK and > Australia where I use 3G for everything from video streaming and VoIP > to remote access work related things with no issues at all. try it on a train from London to Manchester some time =) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Devices (was Re: Preupgrade change?)
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 13:26 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > The N900 is unfortunately impractical in territories with no 1700 or > > 2100 band providers (or poor ones). > > For 3G, yes, but I live with 2.5G service as I'm almost always near a > WLAN AP. (I don't have 1700 or 2100 service near me). The N900 should be > able to provide voice calling from anywhere in the world. > > The frequency issue will be "fixed" with quad-band 3G MeeGo devices next > year. Oh, believe me, I'm waiting. (Comprehensive 3G support is actually still annoyingly rare; go chart out the availability of devices that can do 850/1900/2100 3G, it's still a surprisingly short list which gets rapidly shorter when you start keying in requirements like 'runs a decent version of Android' and 'has a good hardware keyboard'. This is mainly why I still use a somewhat antiquated Tilt 2.) I'm certainly not always near a WLAN AP; one of the most useful smartphone features for me is Google maps public transit navigation, and there ain't a WLAN AP on any city buses around here. =) > Even then, 3G carriers are overloaded and can hardly provide quality > service to stream video or download faster than EDGE-speeds. Video > calling is also a moot point as no USA carrier offers it and the > countries that do offer it, offer it at a high expense. You're better > off using Skype or XMPP via WLAN on the N900 for that. ;) Well, 'speak for yourself'. I get a pretty constant high-quality 4Mb/sec connection over HSPA here. It's hugely faster than EDGE, and I really would not want to step down to 2G (actually before reliable 3G was available I ran a Palm for a short while but then ditched it because I just can't deal with the slowness of 2G data and I never used the smartphone features; it took a decent 3G connection for me to really get to the point of using smartphone stuff.) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Devices (was Re: Preupgrade change?)
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: >> The N900 is unfortunately impractical in territories with no 1700 or >> 2100 band providers (or poor ones). > > For 3G, yes, but I live with 2.5G service as I'm almost always near a > WLAN AP. (I don't have 1700 or 2100 service near me). The N900 should be > able to provide voice calling from anywhere in the world. > > The frequency issue will be "fixed" with quad-band 3G MeeGo devices next > year. > > Even then, 3G carriers are overloaded and can hardly provide quality > service to stream video or download faster than EDGE-speeds. Video > calling is also a moot point as no USA carrier offers it and the > countries that do offer it, offer it at a high expense. You're better > off using Skype or XMPP via WLAN on the N900 for that. ;) That might be the case in the US, its not the case in the UK and Australia where I use 3G for everything from video streaming and VoIP to remote access work related things with no issues at all. Peter -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Devices (was Re: Preupgrade change?)
Oops. I meant correct use of the "refers-to" header. Thread completeness relying *only* on refers-to is based on an incorrect assumption that refers-to is compulsory and not optional. IMHO. Jan -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Devices (was Re: Preupgrade change?)
Adam Williamson wrote: > The N900 is unfortunately impractical in territories with no 1700 or > 2100 band providers (or poor ones). For 3G, yes, but I live with 2.5G service as I'm almost always near a WLAN AP. (I don't have 1700 or 2100 service near me). The N900 should be able to provide voice calling from anywhere in the world. The frequency issue will be "fixed" with quad-band 3G MeeGo devices next year. Even then, 3G carriers are overloaded and can hardly provide quality service to stream video or download faster than EDGE-speeds. Video calling is also a moot point as no USA carrier offers it and the countries that do offer it, offer it at a high expense. You're better off using Skype or XMPP via WLAN on the N900 for that. ;) -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Devices (was Re: Preupgrade change?)
And as a closing one for OT stuff - the correct use of reply-to is unfortunately optional in the RFC. I knew all of this hence my excuse. Still noone has reacted to the point I raised. But as at least one person on this list values thraed-completeness over content, I gather it is better to simply accept that no matter what argument is used, if it isn't done in whatever artificial definition of correctness it will be ignored. Thanks for showing me. Jan -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Devices (was Re: Preupgrade change?)
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 13:04 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Jan Wildeboer wrote: > > (Sorry for top-posting, blame blackberry and me) > > ... and it broke the thread. You should tell your employer to provide > you a more FOSS friendly device (a.k.a. Nokia N900). The N900 is unfortunately impractical in territories with no 1700 or 2100 band providers (or poor ones). -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Preupgrade change?
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Jan Wildeboer wrote: > > (Sorry for top-posting, blame blackberry and me) > > ... and it broke the thread. You should tell your employer to provide > you a more FOSS friendly device (a.k.a. Nokia N900). > > LOL, yeah! What kind of a freedom-hating company is that? Oh, never mind... ;) Fab -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Preupgrade change?
Jan Wildeboer wrote: > (Sorry for top-posting, blame blackberry and me) ... and it broke the thread. You should tell your employer to provide you a more FOSS friendly device (a.k.a. Nokia N900). -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Preupgrade change?
(Sorry for top-posting, blame blackberry and me)
IMHO - if preupgrade doesn't work for those running F13 - it would be a
blocker for F14 release IMHO.
Jan
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Subject: Re: Preupgrade change?
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 19:26 +, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On 30 October 2010 19:48, Paul Frields wrote:
> > *
> > https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/changeset?new=data%40d42e6189dbe4ad7591d422f200a31ad196125dcc&old=data%404157e81ce428be819a957a31be5a19bcc6bd2efe
> > Shouldn't Rawhide always stay in the list of releases?
>
> No, we can no longer preupgrade to rawhide.
>
> > * Will there be a preupgrade available on release day for F1{2,3} ->
> > F14? I thought I saw discussion about this either here on the test
> > list or elsewhere but I can't seem to find it -- sorry for being
> > repetitive if this has already been discussed.
>
> Yes, possibly a few days after.
A few days after would be rather bad and should have been previously
clearly communicated, given that preupgrade is one of our official 'Good
Ways To Upgrade' and lots of people want to upgrade on release day. If
there's a significant chance preupgrading to F14 won't be possible on
release day, could you please co-ordinate with the appropriate teams to
ensure the PRs that go out on release day explain this and give an ETA
for preupgrade?
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Re: Preupgrade change?
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 19:26 +, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On 30 October 2010 19:48, Paul Frields wrote:
> > *
> > https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/changeset?new=data%40d42e6189dbe4ad7591d422f200a31ad196125dcc&old=data%404157e81ce428be819a957a31be5a19bcc6bd2efe
> > Shouldn't Rawhide always stay in the list of releases?
>
> No, we can no longer preupgrade to rawhide.
>
> > * Will there be a preupgrade available on release day for F1{2,3} ->
> > F14? I thought I saw discussion about this either here on the test
> > list or elsewhere but I can't seem to find it -- sorry for being
> > repetitive if this has already been discussed.
>
> Yes, possibly a few days after.
A few days after would be rather bad and should have been previously
clearly communicated, given that preupgrade is one of our official 'Good
Ways To Upgrade' and lots of people want to upgrade on release day. If
there's a significant chance preupgrading to F14 won't be possible on
release day, could you please co-ordinate with the appropriate teams to
ensure the PRs that go out on release day explain this and give an ETA
for preupgrade?
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Re: Preupgrade change?
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 11:21 -0400, James Laska wrote: > On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 11:11 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 19:26 +, Richard Hughes wrote: > > > On 30 October 2010 19:48, Paul Frields wrote: > > > > * > > > > https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/changeset?new=data%40d42e6189dbe4ad7591d422f200a31ad196125dcc&old=data%404157e81ce428be819a957a31be5a19bcc6bd2efe > > > > Shouldn't Rawhide always stay in the list of releases? > > > > > > No, we can no longer preupgrade to rawhide. > > > > > > > > > What changed that keeps preupgrade from working to rawhide? > > Installation images are no longer provided for rawhide. I believe they > may be turned on at some point before we branch for F-15. I'd need to > double-check with rel-eng. > James, Thanks - I couldn't think of any other technical reason so I figured it was a policy decision of some kind. this makes sense. -sv -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Preupgrade change?
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 11:11 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 19:26 +, Richard Hughes wrote: > > On 30 October 2010 19:48, Paul Frields wrote: > > > * > > > https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/changeset?new=data%40d42e6189dbe4ad7591d422f200a31ad196125dcc&old=data%404157e81ce428be819a957a31be5a19bcc6bd2efe > > > Shouldn't Rawhide always stay in the list of releases? > > > > No, we can no longer preupgrade to rawhide. > > > > > What changed that keeps preupgrade from working to rawhide? Installation images are no longer provided for rawhide. I believe they may be turned on at some point before we branch for F-15. I'd need to double-check with rel-eng. Thanks, James signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Preupgrade change?
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 19:26 +, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 30 October 2010 19:48, Paul Frields wrote: > > * > > https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/changeset?new=data%40d42e6189dbe4ad7591d422f200a31ad196125dcc&old=data%404157e81ce428be819a957a31be5a19bcc6bd2efe > > Shouldn't Rawhide always stay in the list of releases? > > No, we can no longer preupgrade to rawhide. > What changed that keeps preupgrade from working to rawhide? -sv -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Preupgrade change?
On 30 October 2010 19:48, Paul Frields wrote:
> *
> https://fedorahosted.org/preupgrade/changeset?new=data%40d42e6189dbe4ad7591d422f200a31ad196125dcc&old=data%404157e81ce428be819a957a31be5a19bcc6bd2efe
> Shouldn't Rawhide always stay in the list of releases?
No, we can no longer preupgrade to rawhide.
> * Will there be a preupgrade available on release day for F1{2,3} ->
> F14? I thought I saw discussion about this either here on the test
> list or elsewhere but I can't seem to find it -- sorry for being
> repetitive if this has already been discussed.
Yes, possibly a few days after.
Richard.
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