Re: Recommended system requirements for f20 not sufficient?
On 12/18/2013 01:21 PM, Akshay Vyas wrote: On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 12/18/2013 08:03 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 15:03 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: Hi, i just booted the live iso in a VM with 1G of memory and after I start Software the VM locks up completely after a few seconds. Having top open while starting Software shows very little free/cached RAM left over before the system dies so I upped the RAM of the VM to 2G and with that the problem disappears. It looks like the 1G of RAM recommended on http://fedoraproject.org/ really aren't sufficient to run the basic stuff and this should be updated to probably 1.5-2G RAM or at least 1G RAM + some swap. Well, I did some testing during F20 cycle which seems to indicate F20 Shell takes up a lot more memory than F19 when using llvmpipe. We're not sure exactly what's going on yet, I need to find time to circle back and investigate, but I suspect '1GB in a VM' and '1GB on metal' will be somewhat different experiences. 1GB is getting a bit thin for the default desktop with the current typical requirements of GNOME, FF and LO, though, yeah. FWIW: F20 runs without many problems on 512k RAM: # cat /proc/meminfo MemTotal: 508392 kB MemFree: 127952 kB # cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) However, this is a system on which Fedora was installed long time ago gradually upgraded to f20. Ralf I tested all Desktop environments on my old PC with 1G (DDR1) and found out that all DE's are working fine except GNOME(Default DE) and KDE which gave me some issues(slows down or freezes) when running Firefox,Chrome,GIMP etc -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test Keep in mind that he's specifically addressing the LIVE iso - since it has to load it's entire environment into a RAMDisk, it only makes sense that we should be advising 2GB+ for live environments. When there is storage media besides RAM available, you can run F20 on as little as the 512MB that Ralf is using. -- Dan Mossor Systems Engineer at Large Fedora QA Team Volunteer FAS: dmossor IRC: danofsatx San Antonio, Texas, USA -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Recommended system requirements for f20 not sufficient?
On 2013-12-19 15:26 (GMT-0600) Dan Mossor composed: When there is storage media besides RAM available, you can run F20 on as little as the 512MB that Ralf is using. Yesterday I did a HTTP F20 minimal install with .5G RAM and 1.13GHz Piii. The second GUI page was taking a long time to finish the two sections I always let settle before attempting to proceed with HD selection. Neither init nor Anaconda had made use of the swap partition, so I turned it on. That failed to speed things along, so I rebooted. Before my first click in second Anaconda start I went to tty2 and turned on swap. From there everything seemed to move right along nicely, including upping to F21 with Yum during second boot and getting KDE started. Actually using KDE to do anything without crashing failed until I turned off X compositing (globally in xorg.conf*), kscreen and nepomuk/strigi. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Recommended system requirements for f20 not sufficient?
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:03:36AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, I did some testing during F20 cycle which seems to indicate F20 Shell takes up a lot more memory than F19 when using llvmpipe. We're not sure exactly what's going on yet, It's not just Gnome Shell's fault I think. At least for some time during Alpha/Beta even kickstarted text-only installs (virt-install pointed to an install tree over HTTP) locked up due to lack of memory. That's with 1 GiB and no swap. Increase that to 1.5 GiB and the install process completed. I'll probably retest that with final F20 later, now that the set of components used for installation doesn't potentially change from one attempt to the next. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Recommended system requirements for f20 not sufficient?
On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 01:10 +0100, Lars Seipel wrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:03:36AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Well, I did some testing during F20 cycle which seems to indicate F20 Shell takes up a lot more memory than F19 when using llvmpipe. We're not sure exactly what's going on yet, It's not just Gnome Shell's fault I think. No, it really is a Shell/llvmpipe specific issue. I checked. At least for some time during Alpha/Beta even kickstarted text-only installs (virt-install pointed to an install tree over HTTP) locked up due to lack of memory. That's with 1 GiB and no swap. Increase that to 1.5 GiB and the install process completed. During Alpha, that's normal, it's been that way for 2-3 releases. Modern debug kernels are very slow and inefficient; installing with a debug kernel seems to exhaust 1GB of RAM quite easily. That's a separate issue, though, and not relevant to final release. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Recommended system requirements for f20 not sufficient?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 04:34:43PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: During Alpha, that's normal, it's been that way for 2-3 releases. Modern debug kernels are very slow and inefficient; installing with a debug kernel seems to exhaust 1GB of RAM quite easily. That's a separate issue, though, and not relevant to final release. Yep, you're right. Just checked it and the F20 final release installs without a problem with 1 GiB of memory. For text mode, that is. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Recommended system requirements for f20 not sufficient?
Hi, i just booted the live iso in a VM with 1G of memory and after I start Software the VM locks up completely after a few seconds. Having top open while starting Software shows very little free/cached RAM left over before the system dies so I upped the RAM of the VM to 2G and with that the problem disappears. It looks like the 1G of RAM recommended on http://fedoraproject.org/ really aren't sufficient to run the basic stuff and this should be updated to probably 1.5-2G RAM or at least 1G RAM + some swap. Regards, Dennis -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Recommended system requirements for f20 not sufficient?
On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 15:03 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: Hi, i just booted the live iso in a VM with 1G of memory and after I start Software the VM locks up completely after a few seconds. Having top open while starting Software shows very little free/cached RAM left over before the system dies so I upped the RAM of the VM to 2G and with that the problem disappears. It looks like the 1G of RAM recommended on http://fedoraproject.org/ really aren't sufficient to run the basic stuff and this should be updated to probably 1.5-2G RAM or at least 1G RAM + some swap. Well, I did some testing during F20 cycle which seems to indicate F20 Shell takes up a lot more memory than F19 when using llvmpipe. We're not sure exactly what's going on yet, I need to find time to circle back and investigate, but I suspect '1GB in a VM' and '1GB on metal' will be somewhat different experiences. 1GB is getting a bit thin for the default desktop with the current typical requirements of GNOME, FF and LO, though, yeah. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Recommended system requirements for f20 not sufficient?
On 12/18/2013 08:03 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 15:03 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: Hi, i just booted the live iso in a VM with 1G of memory and after I start Software the VM locks up completely after a few seconds. Having top open while starting Software shows very little free/cached RAM left over before the system dies so I upped the RAM of the VM to 2G and with that the problem disappears. It looks like the 1G of RAM recommended on http://fedoraproject.org/ really aren't sufficient to run the basic stuff and this should be updated to probably 1.5-2G RAM or at least 1G RAM + some swap. Well, I did some testing during F20 cycle which seems to indicate F20 Shell takes up a lot more memory than F19 when using llvmpipe. We're not sure exactly what's going on yet, I need to find time to circle back and investigate, but I suspect '1GB in a VM' and '1GB on metal' will be somewhat different experiences. 1GB is getting a bit thin for the default desktop with the current typical requirements of GNOME, FF and LO, though, yeah. FWIW: F20 runs without many problems on 512k RAM: # cat /proc/meminfo MemTotal: 508392 kB MemFree: 127952 kB # cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) However, this is a system on which Fedora was installed long time ago gradually upgraded to f20. Ralf -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Recommended system requirements for f20 not sufficient?
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 12/18/2013 08:03 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 15:03 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: Hi, i just booted the live iso in a VM with 1G of memory and after I start Software the VM locks up completely after a few seconds. Having top open while starting Software shows very little free/cached RAM left over before the system dies so I upped the RAM of the VM to 2G and with that the problem disappears. It looks like the 1G of RAM recommended on http://fedoraproject.org/ really aren't sufficient to run the basic stuff and this should be updated to probably 1.5-2G RAM or at least 1G RAM + some swap. Well, I did some testing during F20 cycle which seems to indicate F20 Shell takes up a lot more memory than F19 when using llvmpipe. We're not sure exactly what's going on yet, I need to find time to circle back and investigate, but I suspect '1GB in a VM' and '1GB on metal' will be somewhat different experiences. 1GB is getting a bit thin for the default desktop with the current typical requirements of GNOME, FF and LO, though, yeah. FWIW: F20 runs without many problems on 512k RAM: # cat /proc/meminfo MemTotal: 508392 kB MemFree: 127952 kB # cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) However, this is a system on which Fedora was installed long time ago gradually upgraded to f20. Ralf I tested all Desktop environments on my old PC with 1G (DDR1) and found out that all DE's are working fine except GNOME(Default DE) and KDE which gave me some issues(slows down or freezes) when running Firefox,Chrome,GIMP etc -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- Akshay vyas (http://www.gofedora.in) -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
