Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-03-08 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
 >
 > I just tested this again and it still doesn't appear to be working. Task
 > ID was 395668768 and password ZE8NvUgmhlUKXI1KQWY4gxePcoq4b341 if you
 > want to check it out yourself. The log ends with:
 >
 > 
file:///var/cache/abrt-retrace/fedora-15-x86_64-updates/repodata/repomd.xml: 
[Errno 14] Could not open/read 
file:///var/cache/abrt-retrace/fedora-15-x86_64-updates/repodata/repomd.xml
 > Trying other mirror.
 > Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for 
repository: updates. Please verify its path and try again
 >
 > Thanks!

Should be fixed now.

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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-03-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 16:04 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
> On 02/24/2011 10:08 AM, mike cloaked wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Jiri Moskovcak  wrote:
> >
> >> The new ABRT version will have option to use the retrace server instead of
> >> the local retracing. The new version should be out in a few days (at least
> >> in git and my personal repo). Before that anyone interested can find the
> >> retrace client cmdline tool (better than the mentioned script) in retrace
> >> branch in abrt git.
> >>
> >> J.
> >
> > Do you have a url to get the retrace cmdline tool please? I am very
> > keen to use this to get at a backtrace to help diagnose a serious
> > gnome3 problem for F15 alpha - and secondly is the new cmdline tool
> > working with f15 currently?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> 
> The retrace server for F15 should be working now. To use it please go to 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer and you'll find 
> everything needed in section "How To Test". Don't hesitate to ping us on 
> freenode #abrt if something doesn't work as expected.

I just tested this again and it still doesn't appear to be working. Task
ID was 395668768 and password ZE8NvUgmhlUKXI1KQWY4gxePcoq4b341 if you
want to check it out yourself. The log ends with:

file:///var/cache/abrt-retrace/fedora-15-x86_64-updates/repodata/repomd.xml: 
[Errno 14] Could not open/read 
file:///var/cache/abrt-retrace/fedora-15-x86_64-updates/repodata/repomd.xml
Trying other mirror.
Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata (repomd.xml) for repository: 
updates. Please verify its path and try again

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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-03-02 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 16:04 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
> On 02/24/2011 10:08 AM, mike cloaked wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Jiri Moskovcak  wrote:
> >
> >> The new ABRT version will have option to use the retrace server instead of
> >> the local retracing. The new version should be out in a few days (at least
> >> in git and my personal repo). Before that anyone interested can find the
> >> retrace client cmdline tool (better than the mentioned script) in retrace
> >> branch in abrt git.
> >>
> >> J.
> >
> > Do you have a url to get the retrace cmdline tool please? I am very
> > keen to use this to get at a backtrace to help diagnose a serious
> > gnome3 problem for F15 alpha - and secondly is the new cmdline tool
> > working with f15 currently?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> 
> The retrace server for F15 should be working now. To use it please go to 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer and you'll find 
> everything needed in section "How To Test". Don't hesitate to ping us on 
> freenode #abrt if something doesn't work as expected.

This is awesome. I'll test it, and add it to the process for Test Days
if it works for me, and that should get us some testing of the retrace
server too :)
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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-03-02 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 02/24/2011 10:08 AM, mike cloaked wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Jiri Moskovcak  wrote:
>
>> The new ABRT version will have option to use the retrace server instead of
>> the local retracing. The new version should be out in a few days (at least
>> in git and my personal repo). Before that anyone interested can find the
>> retrace client cmdline tool (better than the mentioned script) in retrace
>> branch in abrt git.
>>
>> J.
>
> Do you have a url to get the retrace cmdline tool please? I am very
> keen to use this to get at a backtrace to help diagnose a serious
> gnome3 problem for F15 alpha - and secondly is the new cmdline tool
> working with f15 currently?
>
> Thanks
>

The retrace server for F15 should be working now. To use it please go to 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer and you'll find 
everything needed in section "How To Test". Don't hesitate to ping us on 
freenode #abrt if something doesn't work as expected.

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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Jiri Moskovcak  wrote:

> The retrace server is being deployed for F15 right now. This process can
> take a few hours, so we will send an update (with links to required
> tools) as soon as it finishes. Btw even when the server is up&running it
> will be probably slow and can't take many simultaneous requests at once
> - it's still running on a testing HW (which should change soon).
>
> Sorry for any inconvenience,

Fantastic and it is wonderfully timed to become available, even if a
little slow, exactly when we need it to solve a real issue.

Thank you for doing the work needed to make it available.
I'll look forward to being able to use it soon.
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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-24 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 17:37 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:

> The retrace server is being deployed for F15 right now. This process can 
> take a few hours, so we will send an update (with links to required 
> tools) as soon as it finishes. Btw even when the server is up&running it 
> will be probably slow and can't take many simultaneous requests at once 
> - it's still running on a testing HW (which should change soon).

Awesome stuff, this will be a really useful tool - thanks, Jiri!
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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-24 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 02/23/2011 10:27 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 12:46 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 19:50 +, mike cloaked wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Adam Williamson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What we really want is to use the retrace server:

 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer

 I should test using that and document it.
>>>
>>> Maybe I am a bit dim but I can't find any documentation on this apart
>>> from the wiki and trac entries - but nothing in the abrt koji info
>>> seems to say if it is included now or how to use it.
>>>
>>> Is there a pointer/url to using it that I can access?
>>
>> There's a script linked from the wiki page which you can just download
>> and run and should work, I think. All you really need to do on the
>> client end is send the traceback to the server, all the complex stuff
>> happens on the server, so the requirements aren't heavy.
>
> I just tested it, it seems to not work with F15 reports atm. I've let
> the abrt team know, I hope they'll fix it.

The retrace server is being deployed for F15 right now. This process can 
take a few hours, so we will send an update (with links to required 
tools) as soon as it finishes. Btw even when the server is up&running it 
will be probably slow and can't take many simultaneous requests at once 
- it's still running on a testing HW (which should change soon).

Sorry for any inconvenience,
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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-24 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 02/23/2011 08:50 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Adam Williamson  wrote:
>
>> What we really want is to use the retrace server:
>>
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer
>>
>> I should test using that and document it.
>
> Maybe I am a bit dim but I can't find any documentation on this apart
> from the wiki and trac entries - but nothing in the abrt koji info
> seems to say if it is included now or how to use it.
>
> Is there a pointer/url to using it that I can access?
>
> Thanks
>

The new ABRT version will have option to use the retrace server instead 
of the local retracing. The new version should be out in a few days (at 
least in git and my personal repo). Before that anyone interested can 
find the retrace client cmdline tool (better than the mentioned script) 
in retrace branch in abrt git.

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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-24 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 02/23/2011 08:38 PM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:
> Just curious, but has anyone considered something like Microsoft's
> symbol server system, which can download symbols for specific executable
> files from one or more central repositories?
>
> They have public servers which can be used to download symbols for
> released products, and private ones can be setup as well.
>
> (I would not know the legal logistics of setting up a similar system.)
>

There was something like it:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DebuginfoFS

but it's dead now, if they are some people interested to bring this idea 
back, it would be awesome.

J.

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> SJG
>
>
> On 02/23/11 14:06, John Watzke wrote:
>>  What we really want is to use the retrace server:
>>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer
>>  I should test using that and document it.
>>
>>
>> That sounds interesting.  As long as it has some security in place it
>> would sound great.  The nice thing about backtraces is that the user can
>> take a look at what is being sent and thus take out sensitive data.
>> If the cores were transmitted with SSL and locked down so that no one
>> (other than the admins of course which we hope we trust) would ever had
>> access to the original core files, then it might work. It seems like
>> there is this kind of security discussed... of course, you still have to
>> trust the super users.
>>
>> -- John Watzke
>>
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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-23 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Adam Williamson  wrote:

>> There's a script linked from the wiki page which you can just download
>> and run and should work, I think. All you really need to do on the
>> client end is send the traceback to the server, all the complex stuff
>> happens on the server, so the requirements aren't heavy.
>
> I just tested it, it seems to not work with F15 reports atm. I've let
> the abrt team know, I hope they'll fix it.

Oh that is a shame - I just sent some info on the bz direct - I can
test again tomorrow if the script/server get fixed for f15
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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 12:46 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 19:50 +, mike cloaked wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Adam Williamson  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > What we really want is to use the retrace server:
> > >
> > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer
> > >
> > > I should test using that and document it.
> > 
> > Maybe I am a bit dim but I can't find any documentation on this apart
> > from the wiki and trac entries - but nothing in the abrt koji info
> > seems to say if it is included now or how to use it.
> > 
> > Is there a pointer/url to using it that I can access?
> 
> There's a script linked from the wiki page which you can just download
> and run and should work, I think. All you really need to do on the
> client end is send the traceback to the server, all the complex stuff
> happens on the server, so the requirements aren't heavy.

I just tested it, it seems to not work with F15 reports atm. I've let
the abrt team know, I hope they'll fix it.
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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-23 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Adam Williamson  wrote:

>> Is there a pointer/url to using it that I can access?
>
> There's a script linked from the wiki page which you can just download
> and run and should work, I think. All you really need to do on the
> client end is send the traceback to the server, all the complex stuff
> happens on the server, so the requirements aren't heavy.

OK I have added the script to my usbkey - I will be doing a test
shortly with the x86_64 test day iso and if it crashes I will run that
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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 19:50 +, mike cloaked wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Adam Williamson  wrote:
> 
> > What we really want is to use the retrace server:
> >
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer
> >
> > I should test using that and document it.
> 
> Maybe I am a bit dim but I can't find any documentation on this apart
> from the wiki and trac entries - but nothing in the abrt koji info
> seems to say if it is included now or how to use it.
> 
> Is there a pointer/url to using it that I can access?

There's a script linked from the wiki page which you can just download
and run and should work, I think. All you really need to do on the
client end is send the traceback to the server, all the complex stuff
happens on the server, so the requirements aren't heavy.
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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-23 Thread John Watzke
>
> Maybe I am a bit dim but I can't find any documentation on this apart
> from the wiki and trac entries - but nothing in the abrt koji info
> seems to say if it is included now or how to use it.
>
> Is there a pointer/url to using it that I can access?


I don't think it actually exists yet for general use.

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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-23 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Adam Williamson  wrote:

> What we really want is to use the retrace server:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer
>
> I should test using that and document it.

Maybe I am a bit dim but I can't find any documentation on this apart
from the wiki and trac entries - but nothing in the abrt koji info
seems to say if it is included now or how to use it.

Is there a pointer/url to using it that I can access?

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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-23 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:51 PM, Adam Williamson  wrote:

>> > However when I run abrt-cli -r xxx where xxx are the first few
>> > characters of the uuid it wants to download 94 debug files - is there
>> > any way I can get a shorter way to a crash report from abrt-cli?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>>
>> All problems you are facing is, that there is no debuginfo on LiveCD.
>> Nevertheless it looks like a good idea to have livecd with debuginfo for
>> testday purpose.
>
> We can't know which debuginfo to include, and it's very large - it would
> make the live CDs huge.
>
> What we really want is to use the retrace server:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer
>
> I should test using that and document it.

Very interesting - and I was unaware of it - I did try to build a live
iso with debug stuff in it but as you say it is huge - and I ran out
of space on the build machine I was using before it finished creating
the livecd iso! (Big is OK if you have a large usbkey to write a
bootable system to so I was not worried about size).

I will read the wiki on the retrace server and am happy to run it if I
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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-23 Thread Samuel Greenfeld
Just curious, but has anyone considered something like Microsoft's
symbol server system, which can download symbols for specific executable
files from one or more central repositories?

They have public servers which can be used to download symbols for
released products, and private ones can be setup as well.

(I would not know the legal logistics of setting up a similar system.)

---
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On 02/23/11 14:06, John Watzke wrote:
> What we really want is to use the retrace server:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer
> I should test using that and document it.
> 
> 
>That sounds interesting.  As long as it has some security in place it
> would sound great.  The nice thing about backtraces is that the user can
> take a look at what is being sent and thus take out sensitive data. 
> If the cores were transmitted with SSL and locked down so that no one
> (other than the admins of course which we hope we trust) would ever had
> access to the original core files, then it might work. It seems like
> there is this kind of security discussed... of course, you still have to
> trust the super users.
> 
>-- John Watzke
> 

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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-23 Thread John Watzke
>
> What we really want is to use the retrace server:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer
> I should test using that and document it.
>

   That sounds interesting.  As long as it has some security in place it
would sound great.  The nice thing about backtraces is that the user can
take a look at what is being sent and thus take out sensitive data.  If
the cores were transmitted with SSL and locked down so that no one (other
than the admins of course which we hope we trust) would ever had access to
the original core files, then it might work. It seems like there is this
kind of security discussed... of course, you still have to trust the super
users.

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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 15:42 +0100, Nikola Pajkovsky wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:18:55 +
> mike cloaked  wrote:
> 
> > I am trying to get a backtrace or abrt report from a laptop which
> > cannot get to the gnome3 desktop due to bz 677842.
> > 
> > I am able to use yum to install packages into the running live system
> > - and I can install abrt-cli - and I can get a list of crashes using
> > abrt-cli -l
> > 
> > However when I run abrt-cli -r xxx where xxx are the first few
> > characters of the uuid it wants to download 94 debug files - is there
> > any way I can get a shorter way to a crash report from abrt-cli?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> 
> All problems you are facing is, that there is no debuginfo on LiveCD.
> Nevertheless it looks like a good idea to have livecd with debuginfo for
> testday purpose. 

We can't know which debuginfo to include, and it's very large - it would
make the live CDs huge.

What we really want is to use the retrace server:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RetraceServer

I should test using that and document it.
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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-23 Thread Nikola Pajkovsky
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:18:55 +
mike cloaked  wrote:

> I am trying to get a backtrace or abrt report from a laptop which
> cannot get to the gnome3 desktop due to bz 677842.
> 
> I am able to use yum to install packages into the running live system
> - and I can install abrt-cli - and I can get a list of crashes using
> abrt-cli -l
> 
> However when I run abrt-cli -r xxx where xxx are the first few
> characters of the uuid it wants to download 94 debug files - is there
> any way I can get a shorter way to a crash report from abrt-cli?
> 
> Thanks
> 

All problems you are facing is, that there is no debuginfo on LiveCD.
Nevertheless it looks like a good idea to have livecd with debuginfo for
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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-23 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:50 PM, mike cloaked  wrote:

> It may be possible to try to run the live iso but mount a partition on
> the HD (not normally mounted when running the live iso), and then link
> it from /var/cache or /var/spool in some way that will give sufficient
> memory so that abrt can pull in all the files it needs to a directory
> on the key (rather than RAM), and then analyse the coredump to create
> a backtrace - but I have not had time to explore that route - the test
> systems I am using have f14 installed and are in normal daily use -

I am not sure I worded that last post well -

What I meant was that if RAM was the limiting issue when abrt needed
lots of space then somehow giving it more by either mounting and
linking a directory (writeable) on the key itself, or on the local HD,
to where the large necessary debug files are written, then maybe this
would allow abrt-cli to continue to completion without crashing the
entire machine.

As soon as I had the premature termination when trying to run
abrt-cli, the system would "appear" to be running but then typing any
command after that in the console seemed to just respond "segmentation
fault" even though the terminal would take input - the same response
was given to the command "shutdown -h now" at that point too on both
the machines I tried to do this on.

The conclusion I drew at that point was that memory had run out - and
it looked like the kernel was panicked - I could of course be wrong!

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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-23 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:00 PM, James Laska  wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 20:18 +, mike cloaked wrote:
>> I am trying to get a backtrace or abrt report from a laptop which
>> cannot get to the gnome3 desktop due to bz 677842.
>>
>> I am able to use yum to install packages into the running live system
>> - and I can install abrt-cli - and I can get a list of crashes using
>> abrt-cli -l
>>
>> However when I run abrt-cli -r xxx where xxx are the first few
>> characters of the uuid it wants to download 94 debug files - is there
>> any way I can get a shorter way to a crash report from abrt-cli?
>
> I had this trouble also when attempting to report a crash using abrt-cli
> from the console.  The abrt-cli manpage suggests ...
>
>                -r, --report CRASH_ID   create and send a report
>        ...
>        CRASH_ID can be:
>                UID:UUID pair,
>                unique UUID prefix  - the crash with matching UUID will be 
> acted upon
>                @N  - N'th crash (as displayed by --list --full) will be acted 
> upon
>
> If I'm understanding the problem you noted, it seems like a valid bug if
> you enter the first 6 unique characters of a crash UUID, and it doesn't
> locate the matching crash.  Is that the behavior you were seeing?  It
> wasn't allowing you to report a crashing when attempting the documented
> short-hand notation for specifying a CRASH_ID?

The abrt-cli process seemed to start OK and essentially I was already
following the process you described above (provided the characters
from the crash uuid are unique out of the sets of crash uuid's listed
from "abrt-cli -l" then it works), but possibly because it is running
in a live system with limited or no write access to the live media
(usbkey) which seems to have been mounted read-only when it boots up,
I am guessing that the only memory it has access to is the RAM - and
at some point it fills up and again I am guessing but maybe at that
point with no more memory the kernel panics and the system grinds to a
halt. If there is a way to boot the key but still have write access to
the directories which are untouched when the liveusb was originally
written this would certainly help.

It may be possible to try to run the live iso but mount a partition on
the HD (not normally mounted when running the live iso), and then link
it from /var/cache or /var/spool in some way that will give sufficient
memory so that abrt can pull in all the files it needs to a directory
on the key (rather than RAM), and then analyse the coredump to create
a backtrace - but I have not had time to explore that route - the test
systems I am using have f14 installed and are in normal daily use -
but since it had the graphics hardware needed for the (radeon and
nouveau) graphics test day the easiest way to retain it as a working
system as well as run the test day system, was to use a live iso (and
written to a usbkey as a bootable live usbkey)

If you have any thoughts on this I would value any input which may
allow me to get the vital backtraces with all the debug stuff that
developers would need to get at the real underlying cause of the
gnome3 problems that are currently being investigated.
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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-23 Thread James Laska
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 20:18 +, mike cloaked wrote:
> I am trying to get a backtrace or abrt report from a laptop which
> cannot get to the gnome3 desktop due to bz 677842.
> 
> I am able to use yum to install packages into the running live system
> - and I can install abrt-cli - and I can get a list of crashes using
> abrt-cli -l
> 
> However when I run abrt-cli -r xxx where xxx are the first few
> characters of the uuid it wants to download 94 debug files - is there
> any way I can get a shorter way to a crash report from abrt-cli?

I had this trouble also when attempting to report a crash using abrt-cli
from the console.  The abrt-cli manpage suggests ...

-r, --report CRASH_ID   create and send a report
...
CRASH_ID can be:
UID:UUID pair,
unique UUID prefix  - the crash with matching UUID will be 
acted upon
@N  - N'th crash (as displayed by --list --full) will be acted 
upon

If I'm understanding the problem you noted, it seems like a valid bug if
you enter the first 6 unique characters of a crash UUID, and it doesn't
locate the matching crash.  Is that the behavior you were seeing?  It
wasn't allowing you to report a crashing when attempting the documented
short-hand notation for specifying a CRASH_ID?

Thanks,
James


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Re: Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-22 Thread John Watzke
> However when I run abrt-cli -r xxx where xxx are the first few
> characters of the uuid it wants to download 94 debug files - is there
> any way I can get a shorter way to a crash report from abrt-cli?
>
>
   I'm not sure what you mean by a shorter way.  If you don't have the debug
files installed, the backtrace won't contain any useful information.  It
will basically show each thread and call stack as "No symbols found".  You
can manually run 'debuginfo-install ' and it will
install the debuginfos but it's likely to be the same 94 debuginfo files.

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Running abrt-cli in live isos for graphics test days?

2011-02-22 Thread mike cloaked
I am trying to get a backtrace or abrt report from a laptop which
cannot get to the gnome3 desktop due to bz 677842.

I am able to use yum to install packages into the running live system
- and I can install abrt-cli - and I can get a list of crashes using
abrt-cli -l

However when I run abrt-cli -r xxx where xxx are the first few
characters of the uuid it wants to download 94 debug files - is there
any way I can get a shorter way to a crash report from abrt-cli?

Thanks

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