Re: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
On Tue, 2014-10-21 at 15:13 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote: > Hi, > I filed bug 1155274, > sorry, I thought by putting Grub into the Whitelist the problem would be > solved. > Kind Regards It's 'solved' so far as you're concerned - now you have the magic recipe to make it work for you - but pjones would like to see if he can figure out what weird thing your firmware is doing so he can fix it for everyone else who has the same weird firmware, so they don't have to figure out the same trick you had to figure out :) It *shouldn't* be necessary to manually whitelist the bootloader. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
Hi, I filed bug 1155274, sorry, I thought by putting Grub into the Whitelist the problem would be solved. Kind Regards Any chance you can put a copy of /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/db-d719b2cb-3d3a-4596-a3bc-dad00e67656f someplace we can see it? (in a bugzilla report would be fine.) -Ursprüngliche Mitteilung- Von: Peter Jones An: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases Verschickt: Di, 21 Okt 2014 6:54 pm Betreff: Re: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 06:44:49AM -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote: > Hi, > I have had now a more detailed look into the Bios menues - I am really > a no expert in things like Bios. There is in case of my Acer E15 > E5-571G a button "Security" leading to "Select an UEFI file as trusted > for executing" at the end of this menue steps I choose "grubx64.efi" > etc. Now F21 on an USB drive can be run in UEFI mode. Any chance you can put a copy of /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/db-d719b2cb-3d3a-4596-a3bc-dad00e67656f someplace we can see it? (in a bugzilla report would be fine.) You've whitelisted grub, which may help make things work, but this should not have been needed. Thanks! -- Peter -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 06:44:49AM -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote: > Hi, > I have had now a more detailed look into the Bios menues - I am really > a no expert in things like Bios. There is in case of my Acer E15 > E5-571G a button "Security" leading to "Select an UEFI file as trusted > for executing" at the end of this menue steps I choose "grubx64.efi" > etc. Now F21 on an USB drive can be run in UEFI mode. Any chance you can put a copy of /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/db-d719b2cb-3d3a-4596-a3bc-dad00e67656f someplace we can see it? (in a bugzilla report would be fine.) You've whitelisted grub, which may help make things work, but this should not have been needed. Thanks! -- Peter -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
Hi, I have had now a more detailed look into the Bios menues - I am really a no expert in things like Bios. There is in case of my Acer E15 E5-571G a button "Security" leading to "Select an UEFI file as trusted for executing" at the end of this menue steps I choose "grubx64.efi" etc. Now F21 on an USB drive can be run in UEFI mode. Thank You to all who gave helpful advices ! Kind Regards -Ursprüngliche Mitteilung- Von: Adam Williamson An: For testing and quality assurance of Fedora releases Verschickt: Di, 21 Okt 2014 3:22 am Betreff: Re: Re:RE: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode On Sun, 2014-10-19 at 08:11 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote: > Hi, > this problem is solved, F21 TC3 Workstation x86_64 and also Win 8.1 now boot > in UEFI Mode, Secure Mode disabled. There had to be set a Supervisor Password in the Bios, > to disable the Secure Mode (found this in a thread of an Acer forum). > Nevertheless it would be nice to boot Linux and Windows in Secure Mode. > Thank You to Samuel for his advices. > Kind Regards Fedora images should generally boot with SB enabled, but it may be we don't have 21 images signed yet, I'll have to check in with pjones. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
On 10/20/2014 06:22 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Fedora images should generally boot with SB enabled, but it may be we don't have 21 images signed yet, I'll have to check in with pjones. I used the F21 beta installer to install F20 on a couple of EFI laptops with secure boot enabled. Are the files in the installer image different than what is in the repo? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Re:RE: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
On Sun, 2014-10-19 at 08:11 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote: > Hi, > this problem is solved, F21 TC3 Workstation x86_64 and also Win 8.1 now boot > in UEFI Mode, Secure Mode disabled. There had to be set a Supervisor Password > in the Bios, > to disable the Secure Mode (found this in a thread of an Acer forum). > Nevertheless it would be nice to boot Linux and Windows in Secure Mode. > Thank You to Samuel for his advices. > Kind Regards Fedora images should generally boot with SB enabled, but it may be we don't have 21 images signed yet, I'll have to check in with pjones. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
On Oct 19, 2014, at 8:11 AM, Joerg Lechner wrote: > Nevertheless it would be nice to boot Linux and Windows in Secure Mode. > a.) Make sure the firmware is current. b.) Enabled Secure Boot again c.) Boot the Fedora install image from USB stick created using either dd or livecd-iso-to-disk (part of livecd-tools package; but requires reading the instructions to make sure you create it correctly for EFI whereas with dd is much easier but overwrites the USB stick). d.) If easier than hand recording the exact error messages, use cell phone photos or video. e.) File a bugzilla and attach all relevant information: make/model and firmware revision of the hardware, the error message(s). File against shim. Chris Murphy -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
On Oct 19, 2014, at 1:15 AM, Joerg Lechner wrote: > Possibly I have to find a way to disable the Secure Boot. This is a bad idea for testing Fedora. We really need this to work correctly. If people keep disabling Secure Boot as a work around, then we aren't going to to improve Fedora's Secure Boot support (or Linux in general). Chris Murphy -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
On Oct 18, 2014, at 5:29 PM, Joerg Lechner wrote: > - On 10/18/2014 07:45 AM, Joerg Lechner wrote: > - > "totally" shut down, no freezing mode. Tried to run F21 in Bios UEFI > - > mode, installation of F21 Workstation Beta TC3 X86-64 on the external > - > disk successful, but on boot of F21 from the external disk there is the > - > error message "Boot Loader has not verified loaded image", no boot > - > possible. This TC3 Build loaded on the same disk using Legacy mode and > - > booted in Legacy mode, is ok. > > - Sat Oct 18 15:17:31 UTC 2014 Samuel Sieb wrote > - I installed F20 on a USB flash drive and I had this happen once. If you > - pick the generic boot something from the drive, it gives that error. > - But there should also be an entry called "Fedora". That one will work. > - Once when I rebooted, it wasn't there, but when I restarted the > - computer again it was back. Are you using the EFI boot menu or just > - letting it automatically pick something? > > Hi, > Computer is started in UEFI mode. After running through the UEFI bios, > I get a boot menue (I think it is the Grub2 boot menue ?). > But there is no difference choosing in this boot menue: > Fedora, with Linux 3.17.0-301.fc21.x86_64 > or Fedora, Linux 0 rescue > The system answer is always the same: > "Boot loader has not verified loaded image. > System compromised. Haltet." > Is it possible, that the external pata disk, where the F21 > system is on, is the reason? Currently I don't have an > external sata disk to try. Sounds like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1024169 so I'd check that the firmware for the system is current. Chris Murphy -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
On Oct 18, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Joerg Lechner wrote: > Hi, > so far I could only run F21 in Legacy Mode of BIOS (Acer Aspire E15 Laptop, I > think more or less designed for Windows 8.1) F21 on an external disk via USB. > Because of problems F21 - Windows 8.1 (stayed in freezing mode after shutdown > - a hint from Kamil and Chuck), now I shut down Windows in a command line > with "shutdown -s -t 0", Windows is now "totally" shut down, no freezing > mode. Tried to run F21 in Bios UEFI mode, installation of F21 Workstation > Beta TC3 X86-64 on the external disk successful, but on boot of F21 from the > external disk there is the error message "Boot Loader has not verified loaded > image", no boot possible. This TC3 Build loaded on the same disk using > Legacy mode and booted in Legacy mode, is ok. > Any idea if am doing something wrong? I wonder if it's this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1144657 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re:RE: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
Hi, this problem is solved, F21 TC3 Workstation x86_64 and also Win 8.1 now boot in UEFI Mode, Secure Mode disabled. There had to be set a Supervisor Password in the Bios, to disable the Secure Mode (found this in a thread of an Acer forum). Nevertheless it would be nice to boot Linux and Windows in Secure Mode. Thank You to Samuel for his advices. Kind Regards -Ursprüngliche Mitteilung- Von: Joerg Lechner An: test Verschickt: So, 19 Okt 2014 11:11 am Betreff: RE: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode - On Sun Oct 19 07:03:30 UTC 2014 Samuel Sieb wrote - Please reply to the previous message instead of creating a new one so - the conversation stays threaded. Currently I don't get the messages from the testlist, I had to copy from the Archive. sorry. - On 10/18/2014 10:15 PM, Joerg Lechner wrote: - > Hi Samuel, - > I hit the F12 button then I got the menue: - > 1) USB HDD: Samsung SP.. -> the external disk with F21 on it - > 2) Windows Boot Manager .. - > But also choosing USB HDD in this menue results in the same error message. - That's the wrong entry. It seems it's not picking up the Fedora entry - from the hard disk for some reason. I didn't look closer to see what - the difference was between the two entries. I'm not clear on whether it - finds the entry from the hard drive or the one that Fedora created when - it was installed sticks around somehow. - > Possibly I have to find a way to disable the Secure Boot. - That would definitely be a solution. Hi Disabling Secure Boot doesn't work on this Laptop (Acer E15 E5-571G-50K9) I tried according to the link: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn481258.aspx Thank You for Your help so far, Samuel. Tomorrow the Acer Support is back, possibly they have an easy solution. Kind Regards -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
RE: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
- On Sun Oct 19 07:03:30 UTC 2014 Samuel Sieb wrote - Please reply to the previous message instead of creating a new one so - the conversation stays threaded. Currently I don't get the messages from the testlist, I had to copy from the Archive. sorry. - On 10/18/2014 10:15 PM, Joerg Lechner wrote: - > Hi Samuel, - > I hit the F12 button then I got the menue: - > 1) USB HDD: Samsung SP.. -> the external disk with F21 on it - > 2) Windows Boot Manager .. - > But also choosing USB HDD in this menue results in the same error message. - That's the wrong entry. It seems it's not picking up the Fedora entry - from the hard disk for some reason. I didn't look closer to see what - the difference was between the two entries. I'm not clear on whether it - finds the entry from the hard drive or the one that Fedora created when - it was installed sticks around somehow. - > Possibly I have to find a way to disable the Secure Boot. - That would definitely be a solution. Hi Disabling Secure Boot doesn't work on this Laptop (Acer E15 E5-571G-50K9) I tried according to the link: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn481258.aspx Thank You for Your help so far, Samuel. Tomorrow the Acer Support is back, possibly they have an easy solution. Kind Regards -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
Please reply to the previous message instead of creating a new one so the conversation stays threaded. On 10/18/2014 10:15 PM, Joerg Lechner wrote: Hi Samuel, I hit the F12 button then I got the menue: 1) USB HDD: Samsung SP.. -> the external disk with F21 on it 2) Windows Boot Manager .. But also choosing USB HDD in this menue results in the same error message. That's the wrong entry. It seems it's not picking up the Fedora entry from the hard disk for some reason. I didn't look closer to see what the difference was between the two entries. I'm not clear on whether it finds the entry from the hard drive or the one that Fedora created when it was installed sticks around somehow. Possibly I have to find a way to disable the Secure Boot. That would definitely be a solution. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
Hi Samuel, I hit the F12 button then I got the menue: 1) USB HDD: Samsung SP.. -> the external disk with F21 on it 2) Windows Boot Manager .. But also choosing USB HDD in this menue results in the same error message. In a Fedora Forum I found a thread describing the same problem for F20: https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/39126/bootloader-has-not-verified-loaded-image/ The UEFI branch of this Acer Laptop has "Secure Boot" set to "standard", but I can not switch off Secure Boot, it seems to be blocked. I will ask the Acer support on Monday and then continue. Anyway I booted again the TC3 Live DVD in UEFI bios mode, installed YUM and reinstalled grub2-efi (in a terminal, su, yum reinstall grub2-efi) I got grub2-efi.x86_64 1:2.02-0.8.fc21 installed. Then run the installation to the external disk -> same bad result, booting not possible. Possibly I have to find a way to disable the Secure Boot. Kind Regards -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
On 10/18/2014 02:29 PM, Joerg Lechner wrote: Computer is started in UEFI mode. After running through the UEFI bios, I get a boot menue (I think it is the Grub2 boot menue ?). But there is no difference choosing in this boot menue: Fedora, with Linux 3.17.0-301.fc21.x86_64 or Fedora, Linux 0 rescue This is not the right menu. This is the grub menu from the hard drive. You need to find the right key to press during system init that will get you the EFI boot menu. Maybe check the BIOS setup to make sure that the key to bring up that menu is enabled. The system answer is always the same: "Boot loader has not verified loaded image. System compromised. Haltet." Is it possible, that the external pata disk, where the F21 system is on, is the reason? Currently I don't have an external sata disk to try. Kind Regards Shouldn't matter because the system only see the USB storage interface. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
- On 10/18/2014 07:45 AM, Joerg Lechner wrote: - > "totally" shut down, no freezing mode. Tried to run F21 in Bios UEFI - > mode, installation of F21 Workstation Beta TC3 X86-64 on the external - > disk successful, but on boot of F21 from the external disk there is the - > error message "Boot Loader has not verified loaded image", no boot - > possible. This TC3 Build loaded on the same disk using Legacy mode and - > booted in Legacy mode, is ok. - Sat Oct 18 15:17:31 UTC 2014 Samuel Sieb wrote - I installed F20 on a USB flash drive and I had this happen once. If you - pick the generic boot something from the drive, it gives that error. - But there should also be an entry called "Fedora". That one will work. - Once when I rebooted, it wasn't there, but when I restarted the - computer again it was back. Are you using the EFI boot menu or just - letting it automatically pick something? Hi, Computer is started in UEFI mode. After running through the UEFI bios, I get a boot menue (I think it is the Grub2 boot menue ?). But there is no difference choosing in this boot menue: Fedora, with Linux 3.17.0-301.fc21.x86_64 or Fedora, Linux 0 rescue The system answer is always the same: "Boot loader has not verified loaded image. System compromised. Haltet." Is it possible, that the external pata disk, where the F21 system is on, is the reason? Currently I don't have an external sata disk to try. Kind Regards -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
On 10/18/2014 07:45 AM, Joerg Lechner wrote: "totally" shut down, no freezing mode. Tried to run F21 in Bios UEFI mode, installation of F21 Workstation Beta TC3 X86-64 on the external disk successful, but on boot of F21 from the external disk there is the error message "Boot Loader has not verified loaded image", no boot possible. This TC3 Build loaded on the same disk using Legacy mode and booted in Legacy mode, is ok. I installed F20 on a USB flash drive and I had this happen once. If you pick the generic boot something from the drive, it gives that error. But there should also be an entry called "Fedora". That one will work. Once when I rebooted, it wasn't there, but when I restarted the computer again it was back. Are you using the EFI boot menu or just letting it automatically pick something? -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Windows 8.1 and F21, BIOS in UEFI Mode
Hi, so far I could only run F21 in Legacy Mode of BIOS (Acer Aspire E15 Laptop, I think more or less designed for Windows 8.1) F21 on an external disk via USB. Because of problems F21 - Windows 8.1 (stayed in freezing mode after shutdown - a hint from Kamil and Chuck), now I shut down Windows in a command line with "shutdown -s -t 0", Windows is now "totally" shut down, no freezing mode. Tried to run F21 in Bios UEFI mode, installation of F21 Workstation Beta TC3 X86-64 on the external disk successful, but on boot of F21 from the external disk there is the error message "Boot Loader has not verified loaded image", no boot possible. This TC3 Build loaded on the same disk using Legacy mode and booted in Legacy mode, is ok. Any idea if am doing something wrong? Kind Regards -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
