Re: built-in DVD mediacheck is gone
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 05:08:22PM +, Andre Robatino wrote: > Actually, yes. Optical drives on different machines can easily be different > enough that a disc that's readable on one (such as the one it was burned on) > may > not be readable on another. I've seen this on two of my machines, and always > verify on each machine immediately prior to installing. This is why we can't have nice things. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=186512 Rotating media really is the worst thing. Dave -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
built-in DVD mediacheck is gone
Al Dunsmuir sympatico.ca> writes: > > Hell, we could make it the default and have a 'nocheck' parameter? > > Sounds painful on DVD media - more minutes of my life that I'm not > going to get back. > > You are forgetting the scenario where one creates install media, and > uses it on multiple installs. Once once has verified a media once, > is there really justification to re-check on every subsequent install? Actually, yes. Optical drives on different machines can easily be different enough that a disc that's readable on one (such as the one it was burned on) may not be readable on another. I've seen this on two of my machines, and always verify on each machine immediately prior to installing. The disc itself could also degrade after some months, though I haven't seen this in years since using a certain brand of CDs (mediacheck failed on one after 15 hours (!), though it passed right after burning). The only time I skip it is if an install fails for some other reason and I need to immediately repeat it on the same box. Even then I'd normally repeat the mediacheck once just to make sure that wasn't the reason for the failure. For media other than optical, the mediacheck is usually much faster, so an automatic check wouldn't be much of an issue. > Please make it optional, and not the default. "Default" implies "optional". -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: built-in DVD mediacheck is gone
On Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 11:16:09 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 20:11 -0700, Brian C. Lane wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50:34PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 23:02 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > > On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 05:47 +, Andre Robatino wrote: >> > > > Adam Williamson redhat.com> writes: >> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 20:24 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: >> > > > > > The DVD no longer offers to do a mediacheck (I haven't checked the >> > > > > > behavior of the live images). Is this reported? >> > > > > >> > > > > A quick search of bugz.fedoraproject.org/anaconda doesn't show >> > > > > anything >> > > > > relevant, so I'm guessing 'no' - can you report it? Thanks! >> > > > >> > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806500 >> > > > >> > > > I can't find any blocker criteria for built-in mediacheck. I think it >> > > > should >> > > > exist at least in Final, though - in fact I think the netinst images >> > > > should also >> > > > have it although they haven't for a while. >> > > >> > > Yeah, I think maybe we had a proposal for it? Check the archives... >> > >> > So we actually added a criterion to final, but it doesn't exactly cover >> > this: "If there is embedded checksum on ISO media, it must be correct." >> > Maybe we want to change that to require mediacheck to be present. >> >> If you pass 'check' on the cmdline dracut will run a mediacheck. We may >> want to add a menu option for that under Troubleshooting. > Hell, we could make it the default and have a 'nocheck' parameter? Sounds painful on DVD media - more minutes of my life that I'm not going to get back. You are forgetting the scenario where one creates install media, and uses it on multiple installs. Once once has verified a media once, is there really justification to re-check on every subsequent install? Please make it optional, and not the default. Al -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
built-in DVD mediacheck is gone
Adam Williamson redhat.com> writes: > > If you pass 'check' on the cmdline dracut will run a mediacheck. We may > > want to add a menu option for that under Troubleshooting. > > Hell, we could make it the default and have a 'nocheck' parameter? Or maybe the 'check' option is okay, and the boot menu options for actually doing an install (and only those options) could have 'check' as one of their default parameters. So if all you want to do is run memtest, for example, it wouldn't do the mediacheck. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
built-in DVD mediacheck is gone
Adam Williamson redhat.com> writes: > On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 20:11 -0700, Brian C. Lane wrote: > > If you pass 'check' on the cmdline dracut will run a mediacheck. We may > > want to add a menu option for that under Troubleshooting. > > Hell, we could make it the default and have a 'nocheck' parameter? I agree with this. I verified that 'check' works for both DVD and netinst images (which I thought didn't have a mediacheck anymore). I think checking automatically should be made the default for DVD, netinst, and live. The automatic check could eliminate a lot of destructive install/upgrade failures caused by either bad burns (to whatever media) or bad downloads. And if there are no plans to do away with the built-in mediacheck, we could change the Final criteria right now to require that it be available and working on all of these images. I also added a comment to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806500 and changed the title of the bug to reflect that the mediacheck is still there but just hidden. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: built-in DVD mediacheck is gone
On Thu, 2012-03-29 at 05:38 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 03/29/2012 03:16 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Hell, we could make it the default and have a 'nocheck' parameter? > > Depends on how fast it is. > > It's my experience that users want to get the installation process over > as quick an painless as possible so anything that slows down that > process I would vote against + optical media is dying anyway... well, it's slow if you're actually booting from optical media, and pretty fast if you aren't =) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: built-in DVD mediacheck is gone
On 03/29/2012 03:16 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: Hell, we could make it the default and have a 'nocheck' parameter? Depends on how fast it is. It's my experience that users want to get the installation process over as quick an painless as possible so anything that slows down that process I would vote against + optical media is dying anyway... JBG -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: built-in DVD mediacheck is gone
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 20:11 -0700, Brian C. Lane wrote: > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50:34PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 23:02 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 05:47 +, Andre Robatino wrote: > > > > Adam Williamson redhat.com> writes: > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 20:24 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: > > > > > > The DVD no longer offers to do a mediacheck (I haven't checked the > > > > > > behavior of the live images). Is this reported? > > > > > > > > > > A quick search of bugz.fedoraproject.org/anaconda doesn't show > > > > > anything > > > > > relevant, so I'm guessing 'no' - can you report it? Thanks! > > > > > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806500 > > > > > > > > I can't find any blocker criteria for built-in mediacheck. I think it > > > > should > > > > exist at least in Final, though - in fact I think the netinst images > > > > should also > > > > have it although they haven't for a while. > > > > > > Yeah, I think maybe we had a proposal for it? Check the archives... > > > > So we actually added a criterion to final, but it doesn't exactly cover > > this: "If there is embedded checksum on ISO media, it must be correct." > > Maybe we want to change that to require mediacheck to be present. > > If you pass 'check' on the cmdline dracut will run a mediacheck. We may > want to add a menu option for that under Troubleshooting. Hell, we could make it the default and have a 'nocheck' parameter? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: built-in DVD mediacheck is gone
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50:34PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 23:02 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 05:47 +, Andre Robatino wrote: > > > Adam Williamson redhat.com> writes: > > > > > > > On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 20:24 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: > > > > > The DVD no longer offers to do a mediacheck (I haven't checked the > > > > > behavior of the live images). Is this reported? > > > > > > > > A quick search of bugz.fedoraproject.org/anaconda doesn't show anything > > > > relevant, so I'm guessing 'no' - can you report it? Thanks! > > > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806500 > > > > > > I can't find any blocker criteria for built-in mediacheck. I think it > > > should > > > exist at least in Final, though - in fact I think the netinst images > > > should also > > > have it although they haven't for a while. > > > > Yeah, I think maybe we had a proposal for it? Check the archives... > > So we actually added a criterion to final, but it doesn't exactly cover > this: "If there is embedded checksum on ISO media, it must be correct." > Maybe we want to change that to require mediacheck to be present. If you pass 'check' on the cmdline dracut will run a mediacheck. We may want to add a menu option for that under Troubleshooting. -- Brian C. Lane | Anaconda Team | IRC: bcl #anaconda | Port Orchard, WA (PST8PDT) pgpLT8CByUu1q.pgp Description: PGP signature -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: built-in DVD mediacheck is gone
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 23:02 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 05:47 +, Andre Robatino wrote: > > Adam Williamson redhat.com> writes: > > > > > On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 20:24 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: > > > > The DVD no longer offers to do a mediacheck (I haven't checked the > > > > behavior of the live images). Is this reported? > > > > > > A quick search of bugz.fedoraproject.org/anaconda doesn't show anything > > > relevant, so I'm guessing 'no' - can you report it? Thanks! > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806500 > > > > I can't find any blocker criteria for built-in mediacheck. I think it should > > exist at least in Final, though - in fact I think the netinst images should > > also > > have it although they haven't for a while. > > Yeah, I think maybe we had a proposal for it? Check the archives... So we actually added a criterion to final, but it doesn't exactly cover this: "If there is embedded checksum on ISO media, it must be correct." Maybe we want to change that to require mediacheck to be present. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: built-in DVD mediacheck is gone
On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 05:47 +, Andre Robatino wrote: > Adam Williamson redhat.com> writes: > > > On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 20:24 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: > > > The DVD no longer offers to do a mediacheck (I haven't checked the > > > behavior of the live images). Is this reported? > > > > A quick search of bugz.fedoraproject.org/anaconda doesn't show anything > > relevant, so I'm guessing 'no' - can you report it? Thanks! > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806500 > > I can't find any blocker criteria for built-in mediacheck. I think it should > exist at least in Final, though - in fact I think the netinst images should > also > have it although they haven't for a while. Yeah, I think maybe we had a proposal for it? Check the archives... -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
built-in DVD mediacheck is gone
Adam Williamson redhat.com> writes: > On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 20:24 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: > > The DVD no longer offers to do a mediacheck (I haven't checked the > > behavior of the live images). Is this reported? > > A quick search of bugz.fedoraproject.org/anaconda doesn't show anything > relevant, so I'm guessing 'no' - can you report it? Thanks! https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806500 I can't find any blocker criteria for built-in mediacheck. I think it should exist at least in Final, though - in fact I think the netinst images should also have it although they haven't for a while. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: built-in DVD mediacheck is gone
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 20:24 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote: > The DVD no longer offers to do a mediacheck (I haven't checked the > behavior of the live images). Is this reported? A quick search of bugz.fedoraproject.org/anaconda doesn't show anything relevant, so I'm guessing 'no' - can you report it? Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
built-in DVD mediacheck is gone
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