gnome desktop image for arm?

2014-07-23 Thread Robert Moskowitz

I am looking at:

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=allview=treemethod=applianceorder=-id

And do not see a gnome image for f21 arm (let alone any hardware). So 
obviously I am missing how it is encoded in the description.


How do I find the right f21 armhfp image with gnome?

xfce is nice, but I DO have 1GB memory

# cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:1010204 kB

And I will want the gnome apps.

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Re: gnome desktop image for arm?

2014-07-23 Thread Robert Moskowitz


On 07/23/2014 01:31 PM, John Dulaney wrote:

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:33:47 -0400
From: r...@htt-consult.com
To: test@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: gnome desktop image for arm?

I am looking at:

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=allview=treemethod=applianceorder=-id

And do not see a gnome image for f21 arm (let alone any hardware). So
obviously I am missing how it is encoded in the description.

How do I find the right f21 armhfp image with gnome?

xfce is nice, but I DO have 1GB memory

# cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal: 1010204 kB

And I will want the gnome apps.


I don't know if Gnome arm images are being spun up or not, but, the
issue with Gnome on ARM is with the graphics, not necessarily the
memory.


Allwinner A20 is suppose to have a fast GPU...


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Re: gnome desktop image for arm?

2014-07-23 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com wrote:

 On 07/23/2014 01:31 PM, John Dulaney wrote:

 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:33:47 -0400
 From: r...@htt-consult.com
 To: test@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject: gnome desktop image for arm?

 I am looking at:


 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=allview=treemethod=applianceorder=-id

 And do not see a gnome image for f21 arm (let alone any hardware). So
 obviously I am missing how it is encoded in the description.

 How do I find the right f21 armhfp image with gnome?

 xfce is nice, but I DO have 1GB memory

 # cat /proc/meminfo
 MemTotal: 1010204 kB

 And I will want the gnome apps.

 I don't know if Gnome arm images are being spun up or not, but, the
 issue with Gnome on ARM is with the graphics, not necessarily the
 memory.


 Allwinner A20 is suppose to have a fast GPU...

That's not the point does it have a usable 3D driver?
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Re: gnome desktop image for arm?

2014-07-23 Thread John Morris
On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 14:35 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

  I don't know if Gnome arm images are being spun up or not, but, the
  issue with Gnome on ARM is with the graphics, not necessarily the
  memory.
 
 Allwinner A20 is suppose to have a fast GPU...

OpenGL ES or full OpenGL?  Almost all Arm chips limit themselves to ES
since that is all Android requires.  Yes it does make Arm kinda
pointless for 'real computing' purposes, but the target market is
phones, tablets and settop boxes.  A real pity.

Next problem is all video drivers on Arm (except, depending how you
split hairs, the Pi) are blobs.  If Fedora isn't officially admitting
the otherwise pretty darned good Nvidia drivers exist I wouldn't hold my
breath waiting for support for the craptastic stuff that passes for an
embedded video driver.


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Re: gnome desktop image for arm?

2014-07-23 Thread Robert Moskowitz


On 07/23/2014 04:58 PM, John Morris wrote:

On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 14:35 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


I don't know if Gnome arm images are being spun up or not, but, the
issue with Gnome on ARM is with the graphics, not necessarily the
memory.

Allwinner A20 is suppose to have a fast GPU...

OpenGL ES or full OpenGL?  Almost all Arm chips limit themselves to ES
since that is all Android requires.  Yes it does make Arm kinda
pointless for 'real computing' purposes, but the target market is
phones, tablets and settop boxes.  A real pity.

Next problem is all video drivers on Arm (except, depending how you
split hairs, the Pi) are blobs.  If Fedora isn't officially admitting
the otherwise pretty darned good Nvidia drivers exist I wouldn't hold my
breath waiting for support for the craptastic stuff that passes for an
embedded video driver.


Well I know what to ask the developers.


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Re: gnome desktop image for arm?

2014-07-23 Thread Nicolas Chauvet
2014-07-23 20:37 GMT+02:00 drago01 drag...@gmail.com:

 On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com
 wrote:
 
  On 07/23/2014 01:31 PM, John Dulaney wrote:
 
  Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:33:47 -0400
  From: r...@htt-consult.com
  To: test@lists.fedoraproject.org
  Subject: gnome desktop image for arm?
 
  I am looking at:
 
 
 
 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=allview=treemethod=applianceorder=-id
 
  And do not see a gnome image for f21 arm (let alone any hardware). So
  obviously I am missing how it is encoded in the description.
 
  How do I find the right f21 armhfp image with gnome?
 
  xfce is nice, but I DO have 1GB memory
 
  # cat /proc/meminfo
  MemTotal: 1010204 kB
 
  And I will want the gnome apps.
 
  I don't know if Gnome arm images are being spun up or not, but, the
  issue with Gnome on ARM is with the graphics, not necessarily the
  memory.
 
 
  Allwinner A20 is suppose to have a fast GPU...

 That's not the point does it have a usable 3D driver?


The Fedora 21 userspace should be able to run gnome with a freedreno device.
Last time I've checked in was few months ago with Fedora 20 and mesa 10.2
(was mesa master as that time). Tested on ifc6410, but It was with a
downstream 3.4 kernel.

I'm using a tegra device daily as graphical travel workstation (on lxde at
least)
Still the opentegra FOSS (yet 2D only) driver isn't in fedora:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1122713
Any reviewer welcomed. (this driver can rely on a vanilla fedora kernel)

Thx

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