Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 12/16/2013 04:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I'm still scratching my head over the other applications not saving/restoring correctly, but xfce4-terminal at least is fixed in an update I just pushed. Testing and karma welcome: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xfce4-terminal-0.6.2-3.fc19 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xfce4-terminal-0.6.2-3.fc20 kevin Hi Kevin, If there is some information (log files, etc) that would be useful, do let me know. I have been digging at certain files without any useful information - but I could very easily be looking at the wrong places .. :) Cheers. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 17.12.2013 19:28, Gavin Flower wrote: > The whole of GNOME 3 is a regression! :) In this thread context, you probably think of the "GTK+ 3". poma -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 17/12/13 22:46, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/16/2013 11:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I'm still scratching my head over the other applications not saving/restoring correctly, Well, some of these obviously are Gnome3 regressions: Next bug filed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043817 Ralf The whole of GNOME 3 is a regression! I used to use GNOME 2 exclusively. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 12/16/2013 11:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I'm still scratching my head over the other applications not saving/restoring correctly, Well, some of these obviously are Gnome3 regressions: Next bug filed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043817 Ralf -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 12/16/2013 11:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I'm still scratching my head over the other applications not saving/restoring correctly, Next probably genuine xfce bug: thunar "File Manager" windows do not get restored to their position they had carried before. Bug filed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043806 Ralf -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 12/16/2013 11:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I'm still scratching my head over the other applications not saving/restoring correctly, but xfce4-terminal at least is fixed in an update I just pushed. Thanks for taking care about this issue. Testing and karma welcome: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xfce4-terminal-0.6.2-3.fc19 So far, I've only given the x86_64.fc19 version a try. - xfce4-terminals now seem to be saved and restored correctly. - Same issues with gnome as before. E.g. ghex, gedit get restored on last active workspace before log-out (The workspace the log-out was performed), instead of the workspace they were placed on before log-out. - No issues with firefox and thunderbird. Ralf -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 12/16/2013 04:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I'm still scratching my head over the other applications not saving/restoring correctly, but xfce4-terminal at least is fixed in an update I just pushed. Testing and karma welcome: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xfce4-terminal-0.6.2-3.fc19 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xfce4-terminal-0.6.2-3.fc20 kevin Terminal issue definitely solved here! Super! I will add karma shortly. Other applications - nope! Firefox - not predictable. Thunderbird - definitely not. Thunar - not sure yet. But, it seems to mostly start. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
I'm still scratching my head over the other applications not saving/restoring correctly, but xfce4-terminal at least is fixed in an update I just pushed. Testing and karma welcome: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xfce4-terminal-0.6.2-3.fc19 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/xfce4-terminal-0.6.2-3.fc20 kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 12/14/2013 06:20 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Also, from re-reading the info in this thread, in addition to the xfce4-terminal bug, it sounds like perhaps recently all gnome based stuff isn't saving at all? (liferea, gnome-terminal, etc) I wonder if something changed recently in gtk3 session saving... will try and look into it. I am observing - some seem to be restored on the last active workspace (e.g. ghex, gedit, rhythmbox, totem) - some seem to be restored correctly (e.g. gnome-calculator) - gnome-terminals do not get restored. Other apps, which do not get restored: vlc, projectx. Ralf -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 12/14/2013 04:08 PM, Dan Mossor wrote: Although, as I'm writing this, I realized that when you said "restored", I'm not quite sure if you mean restored upon login, or restored upon restarting the application. Sorry if it was not clear earlier - I meant restored upon login - **not** restarting the application. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 12/14/2013 01:15 PM, nonamedotc wrote: > On 12/14/2013 11:20 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> Also, from re-reading the info in this thread, in addition to the >> xfce4-terminal bug, it sounds like perhaps recently all gnome based >> stuff isn't saving at all? >> >> (liferea, gnome-terminal, etc) >> >> I wonder if something changed recently in gtk3 session saving... will >> try and look into it. >> >> kevin >> >> > > One more observation - Thunderbird behavior is funny. It gets restored > correctly if it is **not** minimized to notification icons region (using > Firetray extension). > > * If thunderbird is "iconized" at the time of closing the session, it is > not restored. > > * If thunderbird is open or minimized to panel or simply inactive - it > is restored correctly. > > Thanks for looking in to this Kevin! Cheers. The Mozilla apps (Firefox, Thunderbird) save their own sessions. They should start up where you left off, unless you've customized either application. Although, as I'm writing this, I realized that when you said "restored", I'm not quite sure if you mean restored upon login, or restored upon restarting the application. -- Dan Mossor Systems Engineer at Large Fedora QA Team Volunteer FAS: dmossor IRC: danofsatx San Antonio, Texas, USA -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 12/14/2013 11:15 AM, nonamedotc wrote: On 12/14/2013 11:20 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Also, from re-reading the info in this thread, in addition to the xfce4-terminal bug, it sounds like perhaps recently all gnome based stuff isn't saving at all? (liferea, gnome-terminal, etc) I wonder if something changed recently in gtk3 session saving... will try and look into it. kevin One more observation - Thunderbird behavior is funny. It gets restored correctly if it is **not** minimized to notification icons region (using Firetray extension). * If thunderbird is "iconized" at the time of closing the session, it is not restored. * If thunderbird is open or minimized to panel or simply inactive - it is restored correctly. Thanks for looking in to this Kevin! Cheers. Xfce stopped remembering sessions over a reboot some time ago. When it was remembering sessions it didn't remember correctly. Sessions were "restored" to the wrong workspace and the wrong state. Unless the apps can be restored correctly, I prefer to restart them myself. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX c...@omen.com www.omen.com Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 503-614-0430 -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 12/14/2013 11:20 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Also, from re-reading the info in this thread, in addition to the xfce4-terminal bug, it sounds like perhaps recently all gnome based stuff isn't saving at all? (liferea, gnome-terminal, etc) I wonder if something changed recently in gtk3 session saving... will try and look into it. kevin One more observation - Thunderbird behavior is funny. It gets restored correctly if it is **not** minimized to notification icons region (using Firetray extension). * If thunderbird is "iconized" at the time of closing the session, it is not restored. * If thunderbird is open or minimized to panel or simply inactive - it is restored correctly. Thanks for looking in to this Kevin! Cheers. -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
Also, from re-reading the info in this thread, in addition to the xfce4-terminal bug, it sounds like perhaps recently all gnome based stuff isn't saving at all? (liferea, gnome-terminal, etc) I wonder if something changed recently in gtk3 session saving... will try and look into it. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:12:41 +0100 Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 12/14/2013 06:14 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On 12/13/2013 05:48 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:04:01 +0100 > >> Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > > When re-loggin in, > > - sometimes, *all* "saved apps" appear on virtual "workspace 1", > > plastered on top of each other. > > Some more details after some experiments with newly created, local > accounts on f19 and f20: > > - instead of getting restored at their former positions, > xfce-terminals always pop up on random positions on "workspace 1" > > - gnome-terminals don't seem to be saved at all and do not get > restored. They vanish. > > - firefox and thunderbird do get restored correctly. > > From this, I conclude, xfce-terminal and gnome-terminal are both > broken in different ways. > > Bug filed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043178 This is bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1026599 It's sadly known upstream since the Terminal->xfce4-terminal rework. ;( Recently someone did bisect it and found the exact commit where it started breaking, so hopefully that means it might get fixed soon. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 12/14/2013 06:14 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/13/2013 05:48 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:04:01 +0100 Ralf Corsepius wrote: When re-loggin in, - sometimes, *all* "saved apps" appear on virtual "workspace 1", plastered on top of each other. Some more details after some experiments with newly created, local accounts on f19 and f20: - instead of getting restored at their former positions, xfce-terminals always pop up on random positions on "workspace 1" - gnome-terminals don't seem to be saved at all and do not get restored. They vanish. - firefox and thunderbird do get restored correctly. From this, I conclude, xfce-terminal and gnome-terminal are both broken in different ways. Bug filed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043178 Ralf -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 12/13/2013 05:48 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:04:01 +0100 Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/13/2013 04:09 PM, nonamedotc wrote: I believe this happened before recently - XFCE does not remember sessions anymore. I tried clearing the ~/.cache/sessions/* and restarting the system - this does not affect the behavior in any way. Is anyone else seeing this? Yes, I am. Both under F19 and F20! How can I troubleshoot this and what information should I provide for getting to the root of this? I have no idea. I've been playing with various of the "usual suspects", which used to work in the past, but no success on F19/20 so far. Odd. I do not see this here (with rawhide), nor have I gotten any bugs on it. ;( So, can you folks pinpoint about when it started doing that? (perhaps it's an update that caused it?) Unfortunately, no. All I can say, *automatic session* saving already was flakey during f17/f18, but since having upgraded to f19 it almost never works. Also, the symptoms I am observing seem not consistent and non-systematic/non-deterministic. I usually work with 6 virtual workspaces and use "automatic session saving", typically with many terminals (gnome-terminal and xfce-terminal) and very few GUI apps (e.g. thunderbird, firefox, nautilus, vlc) spread across these virtual workspaces. Also, I often "su" to other accounts in some of these terminals and often ssh'ed into other machines inside of these terminals. Furthermore, I am using nfs/yp/automounted homes. When re-loggin in, - sometimes, *all* "saved apps" appear on virtual "workspace 1", plastered on top of each other. - sometimes, I end up with an empty workspace. - sometimes, some GUI-apps seem to be restored, but the terminals aren't. - on one machine My guess would, be there are several issues interacting, with xfce only being one part of the game. SELinux (I have been observing sealerts referring to /home/ with homes being shared between f19 and f20), systemd and something related to the GPU (kernel or x-server) definitely are involved on occasion. If you pull up prefs-> sessions and startup what do you have checked there? X Automatically save session on logout X Prompt on logout In ->Advanced: X Launch Gnome Services Everything else is unchecked. [That's part of what I was referring to as "usual suspects" - I have been playing with these settings, but ... no deterministic improvements, so far.] If you go to the "Session" tab and click 'save session' does the ~/.cache/session* files get updated? Yes, it does. Ralf -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 12/13/2013 10:48 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:04:01 +0100 Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/13/2013 04:09 PM, nonamedotc wrote: I believe this happened before recently - XFCE does not remember sessions anymore. I tried clearing the ~/.cache/sessions/* and restarting the system - this does not affect the behavior in any way. Is anyone else seeing this? Yes, I am. Both under F19 and F20! How can I troubleshoot this and what information should I provide for getting to the root of this? I have no idea. I've been playing with various of the "usual suspects", which used to work in the past, but no success on F19/20 so far. Odd. I do not see this here (with rawhide), nor have I gotten any bugs on it. ;( So, can you folks pinpoint about when it started doing that? (perhaps it's an update that caused it?) If you pull up prefs-> sessions and startup what do you have checked there? If you go to the "Session" tab and click 'save session' does the ~/.cache/session* files get updated? kevin Hi Kevin, Thanks for your response. I think this started happening few (maximum - one week) days back. At least, that's when I started noticing. I usually just suspend my laptop. But, when suspend started acting up (another thread on test), I noticed this issue! :) In my case, I usually have "Prompt on logout" checked. On the logout prompt, the "Save Sessions" options has always been checked. But changing these options seems to have effect based on my testing before I posted my first message to the list. When I click on "Save Sessions", it does update the files. Restarting the system seems to load **most** programs correctly. Liferea, for example, although open at the time of clicking "Save session", does not start. Restarting with the manually saved sessions seems to work (with the exception of liferea). When I restarted the system two times after moving the (manual) *session* files to some junk folder (still under ~/.cache/sessions), restores the session - again with the exception of liferea. Thunderbird, Firefox, Thunar open fine. Will any other information be helpful on this (potential) issue? Thanks again! :) -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:04:01 +0100 Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 12/13/2013 04:09 PM, nonamedotc wrote: > > I believe this happened before recently - XFCE does not remember > > sessions anymore. I tried clearing the ~/.cache/sessions/* and > > restarting the system - this does not affect the behavior in any > > way. > > > > Is anyone else seeing this? > Yes, I am. Both under F19 and F20! > > > How can I troubleshoot this and what information should I provide > > for getting to the root of this? > I have no idea. I've been playing with various of the "usual > suspects", which used to work in the past, but no success on F19/20 > so far. Odd. I do not see this here (with rawhide), nor have I gotten any bugs on it. ;( So, can you folks pinpoint about when it started doing that? (perhaps it's an update that caused it?) If you pull up prefs-> sessions and startup what do you have checked there? If you go to the "Session" tab and click 'save session' does the ~/.cache/session* files get updated? kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
Re: xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
On 12/13/2013 04:09 PM, nonamedotc wrote: I believe this happened before recently - XFCE does not remember sessions anymore. I tried clearing the ~/.cache/sessions/* and restarting the system - this does not affect the behavior in any way. Is anyone else seeing this? Yes, I am. Both under F19 and F20! How can I troubleshoot this and what information should I provide for getting to the root of this? I have no idea. I've been playing with various of the "usual suspects", which used to work in the past, but no success on F19/20 so far. Ralf -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
xfce does not remember saved sessions on Fedora 20
I believe this happened before recently - XFCE does not remember sessions anymore. I tried clearing the ~/.cache/sessions/* and restarting the system - this does not affect the behavior in any way. Is anyone else seeing this? How can I troubleshoot this and what information should I provide for getting to the root of this? Thanks! -- test mailing list test@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
