Re: [TeX-music] Pronunciation of MusiXTeX
Hallo,
the thread seems already long enough, but as we talk so much about it, I have
to say two things:
1. Bernhard has stated correctly, as to my language feeling, that the
pronounciation should be like myu-zicks-tech, the first X like saying musics,
which does obviously make sense, and the final X like the Greek chi, which
leads to:
2. TeX and the X pronounced as the Greek chi is absolutely NOT like Bach or
Loch! There are two very different versions of ch, the Bach and Loch
version being more deep throat and ugly, and the chi and TeX version being
softer and higher, it is somewhat a relative to f. The vowel just before
the ch in question decides about that: a, o and u call for the darker
Bach/Loch pronounciation, and e and i call for the softer chi/TeX version. A
well-known German example for this would be ich as well. Unfortunately, I
have never heard anyone say blecchhh, but from the rule above, it would be a
softer version as well. By the way, this decision-from-vowel is the same for
French and Italian, for the latter look at how a c is pronounced in voci
['vo:tshi] and Luca ['luka], and here the vowel *following* decides about the
pronounciation of the c. (Maurizio and Luigi may correct me if I am wrong.)
So please forget about Bach and Loch, that's not it.
I think we need a spoken version as mp3 or something which is commonly
available... :-) Just like the file where you can hear Linus Torvalds
pronouncing Linux.
Best regards,
Jürgen
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The difficulty seems to be that the two X do not have the same origin.
The first stands, as I think, for something like eXtended (in the sends
of enhanced). About the second Donald Kuth tells us in The TeXbook,
chapter 1 The Name of the Game: Insiders pronounce the $\chi$ of
\TeX\ as a Greek chi, not as an `x', so that \TeX\ rhymes with the word
blecchhh. It's the `ch' sound in Scottish words like {\sl loch\/} or
German words like {\sl ach\/}; it's a Spanish `j' and a Russian `kh'.
When you say it correctly to your computer, the terminal may become
slightly moist.
Thus, pronounciation should be perhaps myu-zicks-tech.
bernhard
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Re: [TeX-music] MusiXTeX HOWTO for unix
Dear Christian: The HOWTO is correct, thank you. The installation of type1 fonts has changed somewhat, but I do not know whether we need a correction: in the README of the type1 fonts is recommended to put the map files to the directory $TEXMFMAIN/dvips/config/. In my present distribution, SuSE 10.0, the map files are located in $TEXMFMAIN/fonts/map/. I hesitate to recommend a correction unless I know that this change occurred on recommendation of CTAN. I know that the location of the configuration files are different in the different distributions. SuSE has them in /etc/texmf/. Furthermore, your installation expects that the user has the priviledge to write to /usr/local/. Best regards, Christof -- Prof. Dr. Christof K. Biebricher Max-Planck-Institute for Biophysical Chemistry D-37070 Göttingen Tel: +49 (551) 201 1442 FAX: +49 (551) 201 1578 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]___ TeX-music mailing list TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Pronunciation of MusiXTeX
On 1/24/06, Jürgen Fleck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. TeX and the X pronounced as the Greek chi is absolutely NOT like Bach or Loch! Only true in German (and other languages that make the ich-Laut ([ç]) vs ach-Laut ([x]) distinction based on the preceding vowel). In such languages, the fact that the X is preceded by an 'e' would yield a [ç] instead of [x]. But that's just a phonological effect of the speaker's language, similar to the one that leads many English speakers to pronounce it with a [k]. It doesn't change the fact that the official pronunciation of TeX according to its creator is /tEx/. Bear in mind that we're talking about a name, not a word in some particular language. The actual realization of that name will inevitably vary from language to language. The /t/ may be aspirated or unaspirated; the vowel may be [e] or [E] or some other nearby vowel; final consonant may be [x] or [ç] or even [k] - but never [ks]. :) The description like the ch in Bach was for the benefit of English speakers, who for the most part can't even hear the difference between the two varieties of German 'ch' without training! So there's not much point in getting bogged down in such details. The question is: should the first X in MusiXTeX be pronounced the same way as the last X (however you pronounce it!)? Or otherwise? In English, the word music is a collective noun, which means it does not normally have a plural, do having something that sounds like musics is a little odd. But I guess it could be interpreted as music's TeX, which makes sense, and is a plausible justification for the /ks/ pronunciation of the first X. But the fact that it's capitalized would lead me to pronounce it like the last one, which is, I believe, capitalized precisely to call attention to the fact that it's not pronounced /ks/ like a normal x. -- Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ TeX-music mailing list TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Pronunciation of MusiXTeX
On 1/24/06, Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the official pronunciation of TeX according to its creator is /tEx/. Sorry, I was mixing transcription systems. That /E/ is from X-SAMPA; I meant the same sound as IPA /ɛ/ (open E). -- Mark J. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ TeX-music mailing list TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] MusiXTeX HOWTO for unix
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Robin Fairbairns wrote: no: we don't make recommendations like that. the change came from the tds group, who're as near to a standards body as tex systems get. TeX is indeed quite standardized. At home, my computer has windows and linux partitions. Nevertheless, I have the TeX- fonts, macros, maps only once on the hard disk. My linux system takes them all from the mikTeX installation of the Windows partition and needs only separate executables for linux. The different TeX databases for both systems reside in the same directories and do not harm one another. Christof ___ TeX-music mailing list TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Pronunciation of MusiXTeX
Mark J. Reed skryf: The question is: should the first X in MusiXTeX be pronounced the same way as the last X (however you pronounce it!)? Or otherwise? Surely there must be someone who heard Daniel Taupin say it? And that pronunciation should be definitive. Dirk ___ TeX-music mailing list TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] Pronunciation of MusiXTeX
2. TeX and the X pronounced as the Greek chi is absolutely NOT like Bach or Loch! There are two very different versions of ch, the Bach and Loch version being more deep throat and ugly, and the chi and TeX version being softer and higher, it is somewhat a relative to f. Where do you take that from? You should not trust too much the German way of pronouncing chi, that's not realy valuable as reference here :-) The vowel just before the ch in question decides about that: a, o and u call for the darker Bach/Loch pronounciation, and e and i call for the softer chi/TeX version. But does this also apply for a mixed construct like TeX? looking here http://www.greek-language.com/alphabet I find that Donald Knuth's instruction how to pronounce seem to be correct (Not found in English. Much like Spanish 'j') and the Spanish 'j' is definitely not like the ch in 'ich'. the fact that knuth offers different pronunciation guides seems to me to indicate that he's not really concerned all that much, so long as it's not pronounced as english x. i've been at a meeting where he's heard different pronunciations (ch as in german ich - michel goossens; as modern greek isolated chi - me[*]; as ch in bach - several others), and i saw no sign that he cared one jot. i've had really quite angry mail about my slightly flippant answer in the tex faq on this topic. i can't be bothered, frankly. robin [*] of course, chi tends to lose its gutterality in modern speech (becoming a mere h), though my teacher made it gutteral when he was telling us spellings. i don't know classical or biblical greek, so can't comment about them. ___ TeX-music mailing list TeX-music@icking-music-archive.org http://icking-music-archive.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
