Re: [TeX-Music] changes in number of voices
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Don Simons wrote: I have published one vocal piece, and I used M-Tx for it. I spent a great deal of time resolving issues exactly like the ones you mention. And it got even worse when I went to make parts. I think changing the number of voices in the score is doable, but I ended up finding no good overall solution for partmaking, and among other tricks I wrote a FORTRAN program to do some intermediate parsing of the PMX file generated by M-Tx. There are indeed problems with part extracting of M-Tx made scores. Since many of my scores have voices and instruments and I need parts for the instruments, I use the following procedure: 1) Using an older M-Tx-version that avoids redefinitions of pmx-macros like \MtxEM and makes the mtx.tex macro collection unnecessary; 2) Editing the pmx file to throw out unnecessary additions, including the lyrics; 3) then scor2prt operation. This works. I have no idea what in mtx.tex interferes with scor2prt. Christof -- Prof. Dr. Christof K. Biebricher Max-Planck-Institute for Biophysical Chemistry D-37070 Göttingen Tel: +49 (551) 201 1442 FAX: +49 (551) 201 1578 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.daimi.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] changes in number of voices
Christof Biebricher skryf: This works. I have no idea what in mtx.tex interferes with scor2prt. The reason is that I have never needed scor2prt and therefore did not know enough about it to include it in the design. The 'Only' feature is a not very well conceived alternative. The undesired appearance of incompatibilities is a major problem with all pieces of software that give extra flexiblity to the user by 'passing through' untranslated code to the next stage. Basically this practice provides undocumented features, and we all know what that is a euphemism for. So: M-Tx allowing raw PMX PMX allowing raw TeX The TeX command \special are recipes for disaster, but treated by our little community as challenges to its ingenuity. Caveat! Dirk ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.daimi.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] changes in number of voices
Dirk Laurie wrote: Christof Biebricher skryf: This works. I have no idea what in mtx.tex interferes with scor2prt. The reason is that I have never needed scor2prt and therefore did not know enough about it to include it in the design. The 'Only' feature is a not very well conceived alternative. Yet another approach for extracting parts is to use a preprocessor with prepmx. In the 'Tips and Tricks' section of WIMA's software pages I've given a detailed example on how to use the preprocessor software 'abcpp' for exctracting parts, see http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmxtricks/abcpp.html I'm using that method for my ongoing edition of 'Selva di Varia Ricreatione', a collection of secular vocal pieces by Orazio Vecchi. The undesired appearance of incompatibilities is a major problem with all pieces of software that give extra flexiblity to the user by 'passing through' untranslated code to the next stage. Basically this practice provides undocumented features, and we all know what that is a euphemism for. So: M-Tx allowing raw PMX PMX allowing raw TeX The TeX command \special are recipes for disaster, but treated by our little community as challenges to its ingenuity. Caveat! Dirk ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.daimi.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music -- Christian Mondrup, Sheet Music Editor WIMA: Werner Icking Music Archive http://icking-music-archive.org/ ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.daimi.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
[TeX-Music] changes in number of voices
Dear all I have also another question: I know that both in pmx ans mtx I can switch from a higher number of voices to a lower one. Let's consider and example, the typical cantata with an intro for strings, then a recitative for solo voice and continuo and then strings are back again together with voice. I'd expect to start with a system for all the voices (including the voice, as mute part), which later is reduced to only two staves (voice and continuo), to have later strings back in the score. Let's suppose then to have the following voice (from high to low looking at the score) voice, violin I, violin II, continuo Three questions: 1. which is the right syntax to move from the aforementioned 4 voices to just voice and bass? Looking at the documentation I'd expect LxxMn2d1d4 (because I want only two voices, which are the highest and the lowest) 2. while strings are silent, do I have in any case to add rp to the score, even if the parts are not displayed? 3. If I want to have strings back, is enough to write LxxMn4d1d2d3d4? THank you, guys! Carlo -- * Sine musica, nulla disciplina potest esse perfecta: nihil enim est sine illa Rabanus (X. sec) Ing. Carlo Centemeri Via Montepulciano, 5 20124 Milano Tel +39.02.2847169 Cell +39.329.2239138 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.daimi.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] changes in number of voices
Carlo-- I have published one vocal piece, and I used M-Tx for it. I spent a great deal of time resolving issues exactly like the ones you mention. And it got even worse when I went to make parts. I think changing the number of voices in the score is doable, but I ended up finding no good overall solution for partmaking, and among other tricks I wrote a FORTRAN program to do some intermediate parsing of the PMX file generated by M-Tx. I don't remember the details, and it will take me some time to get them straight enough in my head to pass them along. I'll keep watch to see if anyone else has quicker answers, and if not, I'll have something in a few days. Meanwhile, I'd suggest trial-and-error, starting with an idea of exactly what you want the PMX file to look like. --Don Simons -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:tex-music- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carlo Centemeri Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:17 AM To: Werner Icking Music Archive Subject: [TeX-Music] changes in number of voices Dear all I have also another question: I know that both in pmx ans mtx I can switch from a higher number of voices to a lower one. Let's consider and example, the typical cantata with an intro for strings, then a recitative for solo voice and continuo and then strings are back again together with voice. I'd expect to start with a system for all the voices (including the voice, as mute part), which later is reduced to only two staves (voice and continuo), to have later strings back in the score. Let's suppose then to have the following voice (from high to low looking at the score) voice, violin I, violin II, continuo Three questions: 1. which is the right syntax to move from the aforementioned 4 voices to just voice and bass? Looking at the documentation I'd expect LxxMn2d1d4 (because I want only two voices, which are the highest and the lowest) 2. while strings are silent, do I have in any case to add rp to the score, even if the parts are not displayed? 3. If I want to have strings back, is enough to write LxxMn4d1d2d3d4? THank you, guys! Carlo -- * Sine musica, nulla disciplina potest esse perfecta: nihil enim est sine illa Rabanus (X. sec) Ing. Carlo Centemeri Via Montepulciano, 5 20124 Milano Tel +39.02.2847169 Cell +39.329.2239138 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.daimi.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.daimi.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] changes in number of voices
sorry, i did not see you wanted to make parts 44 2 2 0 0 0 -1 1 316 .08 continuo violin2 violin1 voice bttt ./ w170m h257m f03 / c04 / a04 / rp / % %% L2M+5ci.07n214bt f43 g a a / %3rp / %2rp / f44 g a a / % %% L3M+10i.09cn41234bttt f03 / c04 / a04 / r0 / = - Original Message - From: Andre Van Ryckeghem [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Werner Icking Music Archive tex-music@icking-music-archive.org Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [TeX-Music] changes in number of voices This is an pmx example that reduces the number of staves. You may see ie: Choosing the stafnumbers (ie 'n214bt' result in a correct place for the intrument names, i see no other reason for not choosing an other set, ie 'n212bt' (am i right Don?)) If you dont want to see the rests, use rbp in stead of rp Andre == 44 2 2 0 0 0 -1 1 316 .08 continuo violin2 violin1 voice bttt ./ w170m h257m f03 / c04 / a04 / rp / % L2M+5ci.07n214bt f43 g a a / f44 g a a / % L3M+10i.09cn41234bttt f03 / c04 / a04 / r0 / = - Original Message - From: Carlo Centemeri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Werner Icking Music Archive tex-music@icking-music-archive.org Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: [TeX-Music] changes in number of voices Dear all I have also another question: I know that both in pmx ans mtx I can switch from a higher number of voices to a lower one. Let's consider and example, the typical cantata with an intro for strings, then a recitative for solo voice and continuo and then strings are back again together with voice. I'd expect to start with a system for all the voices (including the voice, as mute part), which later is reduced to only two staves (voice and continuo), to have later strings back in the score. Let's suppose then to have the following voice (from high to low looking at the score) voice, violin I, violin II, continuo Three questions: 1. which is the right syntax to move from the aforementioned 4 voices to just voice and bass? Looking at the documentation I'd expect LxxMn2d1d4 (because I want only two voices, which are the highest and the lowest) 2. while strings are silent, do I have in any case to add rp to the score, even if the parts are not displayed? 3. If I want to have strings back, is enough to write LxxMn4d1d2d3d4? THank you, guys! Carlo -- * Sine musica, nulla disciplina potest esse perfecta: nihil enim est sine illa Rabanus (X. sec) Ing. Carlo Centemeri Via Montepulciano, 5 20124 Milano Tel +39.02.2847169 Cell +39.329.2239138 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.daimi.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.daimi.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.daimi.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
