Re: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 schrieb Diane Blaurock:
> Hi Hermann,
>
> I came up against the same problem setting a Lully piece where in the
> chaconne the bottom two voices dropped out and the figured bass wandered up
> to taille. In my desperation I looked at the TeX file produced by PMX and
> found the macro "\Figu" which precedes the note it belongs to. I haven't
> been able to find any documentation about it, but it seems to be followed
> by two parameters in curly brackets - the first is the vertical offset and
> the second is the number to be printed. So, for example:
>
> " \Figu{0}{6}\ \Figu{4}{5}\ c8" prints the note "c" with a bass figure of 6
> over 5.
> "\Figu{-1}{\sharpfig}\ d8" prints the note "d" with a sharp.
Hi Diana,
thank you for your help! This is just what I wanted. Thanks to Don too for his
additional informations.
Hermann
>
> There are also commands for a horizontal offset if the numbers don't line
> up exactly under a particular note, but I am too TeX-illiterate to figure
> out how to use them. Maybe one of our wizards can help. I'd be very
> interested in a solution myself.
>
> Hope this helps, at least a little.
>
> Diane
>
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Hermann
> Hinsch
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 16:14
> An: tex-music@icking-music-archive.org
> Betreff: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> I have a score with 5 staves, the first two are for violins, the second for
> a
> lute, the next for a solo and the last for b.c. with figured bass. Although
> I
> know that PMX allows figured bass for the lowest stave only, I would like
> to
>
> have figured bass for the lute too. Do you know any possibility?
>
> Hermann
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Re: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
Diane--
When I finally finished my response on the second try, I did get to that
question. Just in case you didn't notice,
"4. The only time PMX messes with the horizontal alignment is when a figure
comes offset in time from any bass note. To do this, use e.g.
\off{.5\noteskip}\Figu03\off{-.5\noteskip} . You might also be able to use
\hoffset, but there must have been some good reason I can't remember why I
didn't use that in PMX."
And by the way, when you use any of these commands (or sequences of
commands, as above) as type 1 inline TeX, they act like non-spacing
commands, and they must be entered BEFORE the relevant note in the PMX file.
And of course, I strongly discourage ever post-editing the TeX file.
--Don Simons
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>[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Blaurock
>Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:16 PM
>To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
>Subject: Re: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
>
>Thanks for the insight into the inner workings, Don. So the million
>dollar
>question is - is there also some way to insert a horizontal shift for
>situations where a harmonic progression takes place before there is
>another
>note to anchor it to? PMX is gracious in allowing the horizontal offset
>with
>"x", but what do you do when you have to rough it with inline TeX?
>
>Diane
>
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>Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Juli 2008 06:48
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>Betreff: RE: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
>
>Thanks to Diane for taking a crack at this one. Everything she said is
>right. Since the need for an alternate line of figures arises so rarely,
>using the existing facilities with inline TeX is what I would recommend.
>Please let me add a few more remarks.
>
>The vertical position represented by the first parameter of \Figu is the
>distance down from a reference level. The reference level is set by
>\figdrop. PMX computes a new value of \figdrop for each system with
>figures,
>based on the lowest object in the whole system that could interfere with
>the
>figures. PMX then puts the top figure in every system at \Figu{0}{...}.
>This
>makes the tops of all the figures in each system line up. I'm explaining
>this because if you use \Figu manually, it will use whatever value of
>\figdrop is currently in effect. If you want to manually emplace figures
>in
>a staff other than the bottom one, there are two situations to consider:
>(1)
>If there are also PMX-emplaced figures in the bottom system, I suggest
>leaving \figdrop alone and adjusting the first \Figu parameter
>accordingly.
>(2) If there are no figures in the bottom staff, then you could set your
>own
>value of \figdrop, probably best done right before the first figure in
>the
>system.
>
>
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:tex-music-
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Blaurock
>>Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:10 PM
>>To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
>>Subject: Re: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
>
>>
>>" \Figu{0}{6}\ \Figu{4}{5}\ c8" prints the note "c" with a bass figure
>>of 6
>>over 5.
>>"\Figu{-1}{\sharpfig}\ d8" prints the note "d" with a sharp.
>
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Re: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
Thanks for the insight into the inner workings, Don. So the million dollar
question is - is there also some way to insert a horizontal shift for
situations where a harmonic progression takes place before there is another
note to anchor it to? PMX is gracious in allowing the horizontal offset with
"x", but what do you do when you have to rough it with inline TeX?
Diane
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Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Juli 2008 06:48
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Betreff: RE: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
Thanks to Diane for taking a crack at this one. Everything she said is
right. Since the need for an alternate line of figures arises so rarely,
using the existing facilities with inline TeX is what I would recommend.
Please let me add a few more remarks.
The vertical position represented by the first parameter of \Figu is the
distance down from a reference level. The reference level is set by
\figdrop. PMX computes a new value of \figdrop for each system with figures,
based on the lowest object in the whole system that could interfere with the
figures. PMX then puts the top figure in every system at \Figu{0}{...}. This
makes the tops of all the figures in each system line up. I'm explaining
this because if you use \Figu manually, it will use whatever value of
\figdrop is currently in effect. If you want to manually emplace figures in
a staff other than the bottom one, there are two situations to consider: (1)
If there are also PMX-emplaced figures in the bottom system, I suggest
leaving \figdrop alone and adjusting the first \Figu parameter accordingly.
(2) If there are no figures in the bottom staff, then you could set your own
value of \figdrop, probably best done right before the first figure in the
system.
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:tex-music-
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Blaurock
>Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:10 PM
>To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
>Subject: Re: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
>
>" \Figu{0}{6}\ \Figu{4}{5}\ c8" prints the note "c" with a bass figure
>of 6
>over 5.
>"\Figu{-1}{\sharpfig}\ d8" prints the note "d" with a sharp.
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Re: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
Oops, accidentally hit the send button before I was ready. Please let me
finish.
>Thanks to Diane for taking a crack at this one. Everything she said is
>right. Since the need for an alternate line of figures arises so rarely,
>using the existing facilities with inline TeX is what I would recommend.
>Please let me add a few more remarks.
>
1. >The vertical position represented by the first parameter of \Figu is the
>distance down from a reference level. The reference level is set by
>\figdrop. PMX computes a new value of \figdrop for each system with
>figures, based on the lowest object in the whole system that could
>interfere with the figures. PMX then puts the top figure in every system
>at \Figu{0}{...}. This makes the tops of all the figures in each system
>line up. I'm explaining this because if you use \Figu manually, it will
>use whatever value of \figdrop is currently in effect. If you want to
>manually emplace figures in a staff other than the bottom one, there are
>two situations to consider: (1) If there are also PMX-emplaced figures
>in the bottom system, I suggest leaving \figdrop alone and adjusting the
>first \Figu parameter accordingly. (2) If there are no figures in the
>bottom staff, then you could set your own value of \figdrop (use
\figdrop=number, not \def\figdrop{number}), probably best done right before
the first figure in the system.
2. If the figure itself is an accidental, as Diane said, use \flatfig,
\sharpfig, or \natfig as the second argument of \Figu. On the other hand, if
you want a figure like "flat 6", use for example \Figu{-1}{\fsmsh}\Figu06
(or \fsmfl or \fsmna). For either of these kinds of accidentals, the first
\Figu parameter must be one less than the basic level of the figures.
3. The basic level of the second tier down is 4, then 8, etc.
4. The only time PMX messes with the horizontal alignment is when a figure
comes offset in time from any bass note. To do this, use e.g.
\off{.5\noteskip}\Figu03\off{-.5\noteskip} . You might also be able to use
\hoffset, but there must have been some good reason I can't remember why I
didn't use that in PMX.
5. The continuation figure (horizontal line of arbitrary length) has a
separate macro \Cont{vertical offset}{length}. Vertical offset works the
same as for \Figu.
--Don Simons
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:tex-music-
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Blaurock
>>Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:10 PM
>>To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
>>Subject: Re: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
>>
>>Hi Hermann,
>>
>>I came up against the same problem setting a Lully piece where in the
>>chaconne the bottom two voices dropped out and the figured bass
>wandered
>>up
>>to taille. In my desperation I looked at the TeX file produced by PMX
>>and
>>found the macro "\Figu" which precedes the note it belongs to. I
>haven't
>>been able to find any documentation about it, but it seems to be
>>followed by
>>two parameters in curly brackets - the first is the vertical offset and
>>the
>>second is the number to be printed. So, for example:
>>
>>" \Figu{0}{6}\ \Figu{4}{5}\ c8" prints the note "c" with a bass figure
>>of 6
>>over 5.
>>"\Figu{-1}{\sharpfig}\ d8" prints the note "d" with a sharp.
>>
>>There are also commands for a horizontal offset if the numbers don't
>>line up
>>exactly under a particular note, but I am too TeX-illiterate to figure
>>out
>>how to use them. Maybe one of our wizards can help. I'd be very
>>interested
>>in a solution myself.
>>
>>Hope this helps, at least a little.
>>
>>Diane
>>
>>-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>>Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von
>>Hermann
>>Hinsch
>>Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 16:14
>>An: tex-music@icking-music-archive.org
>>Betreff: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
>>
>>
>>Dear all,
>>
>>I have a score with 5 staves, the first two are for violins, the second
>>for
>>a
>>lute, the next for a solo and the last for b.c. with figured bass.
>>Although
>>I
>>know that PMX allows figured bass for the lowest stave only, I would
>>like to
>>
>>have figured bass for the lute too. Do you know any possibility?
>>
>>Hermann
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Re: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
Thanks to Diane for taking a crack at this one. Everything she said is
right. Since the need for an alternate line of figures arises so rarely,
using the existing facilities with inline TeX is what I would recommend.
Please let me add a few more remarks.
The vertical position represented by the first parameter of \Figu is the
distance down from a reference level. The reference level is set by
\figdrop. PMX computes a new value of \figdrop for each system with figures,
based on the lowest object in the whole system that could interfere with the
figures. PMX then puts the top figure in every system at \Figu{0}{...}. This
makes the tops of all the figures in each system line up. I'm explaining
this because if you use \Figu manually, it will use whatever value of
\figdrop is currently in effect. If you want to manually emplace figures in
a staff other than the bottom one, there are two situations to consider: (1)
If there are also PMX-emplaced figures in the bottom system, I suggest
leaving \figdrop alone and adjusting the first \Figu parameter accordingly.
(2) If there are no figures in the bottom staff, then you could set your own
value of \figdrop, probably best done right before the first figure in the
system.
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:tex-music-
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Blaurock
>Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:10 PM
>To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
>Subject: Re: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
>
>Hi Hermann,
>
>I came up against the same problem setting a Lully piece where in the
>chaconne the bottom two voices dropped out and the figured bass wandered
>up
>to taille. In my desperation I looked at the TeX file produced by PMX
>and
>found the macro "\Figu" which precedes the note it belongs to. I haven't
>been able to find any documentation about it, but it seems to be
>followed by
>two parameters in curly brackets - the first is the vertical offset and
>the
>second is the number to be printed. So, for example:
>
>" \Figu{0}{6}\ \Figu{4}{5}\ c8" prints the note "c" with a bass figure
>of 6
>over 5.
>"\Figu{-1}{\sharpfig}\ d8" prints the note "d" with a sharp.
>
>There are also commands for a horizontal offset if the numbers don't
>line up
>exactly under a particular note, but I am too TeX-illiterate to figure
>out
>how to use them. Maybe one of our wizards can help. I'd be very
>interested
>in a solution myself.
>
>Hope this helps, at least a little.
>
>Diane
>
>-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von
>Hermann
>Hinsch
>Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 16:14
>An: tex-music@icking-music-archive.org
>Betreff: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
>
>
>Dear all,
>
>I have a score with 5 staves, the first two are for violins, the second
>for
>a
>lute, the next for a solo and the last for b.c. with figured bass.
>Although
>I
>know that PMX allows figured bass for the lowest stave only, I would
>like to
>
>have figured bass for the lute too. Do you know any possibility?
>
>Hermann
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Re: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
Hi Hermann,
I came up against the same problem setting a Lully piece where in the
chaconne the bottom two voices dropped out and the figured bass wandered up
to taille. In my desperation I looked at the TeX file produced by PMX and
found the macro "\Figu" which precedes the note it belongs to. I haven't
been able to find any documentation about it, but it seems to be followed by
two parameters in curly brackets - the first is the vertical offset and the
second is the number to be printed. So, for example:
" \Figu{0}{6}\ \Figu{4}{5}\ c8" prints the note "c" with a bass figure of 6
over 5.
"\Figu{-1}{\sharpfig}\ d8" prints the note "d" with a sharp.
There are also commands for a horizontal offset if the numbers don't line up
exactly under a particular note, but I am too TeX-illiterate to figure out
how to use them. Maybe one of our wizards can help. I'd be very interested
in a solution myself.
Hope this helps, at least a little.
Diane
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Hinsch
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 16:14
An: tex-music@icking-music-archive.org
Betreff: [TeX-Music] M-TX, figured bass
Dear all,
I have a score with 5 staves, the first two are for violins, the second for
a
lute, the next for a solo and the last for b.c. with figured bass. Although
I
know that PMX allows figured bass for the lowest stave only, I would like to
have figured bass for the lute too. Do you know any possibility?
Hermann
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