RE: [Texascavers] San Antonio Grotto Meetings

[Marvin & Lisa]

The information is on the TSA webpage:  Second and Fourth Mondays, 7:00 PM;
Chester's Hamburgers, 281 North @ Thousand Oaks, San Antonio, TX.

 

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From: Marlena Cobb [mailto:marlenac...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:01 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] San Antonio Grotto Meetings

 

Can anyone tell me where the San Antonio/Bexar County Grotto meetings are
held and when?  

Thanks for the help,
~Marlena





 

 

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[Texascavers] Four die in Ravanica Cave in Serbia :

[JerryAtkin]

CUPRIJA, Serbia, April 30 A Belgrade University  lecturer and three students 
died while exploring a 5,000-foot deep cave at  Cuprija, Serbia, media said.

The three students, ages 23 to 25, and their  lecturer of the Belgrade 
geological and mining faculty, tried to dive through  water-filled pockets of 
the 
Ravanicka cave at Cuprija, 90 miles southeast of  Belgrade, the Serbian B92 
radio reported.

Investigators said Monday the  four, lecturer Sasa Colic, 35, and the three 
students, Bosko Madzarevic, Fulip  Avramovic and Bojan Borokic, died of 
carbon-monoxide poisoning, Serbia's RTS  radio-television said.

The four men were members of Serbia's association  of paleontologists. They 
were part of a nine-member team exploring the cave  during the weekend. The 
other five people were not involved in the  accident.
 
_http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/57510.html_ 
(http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/57510.html) 
 
 
Belgrade - Four speleologists died on Sunday during a research of a cave in  
central Serbia, Beta news agency reported.  
Mirjana Vrzina, the magistrate conducting the probe, said the bodies of the  
four were found some 1200 metres inside the Ravanica cave near the town of  
Cuprija, about 140 kilometers south of Belgrade.  
Rescuers who pulled out the bodies said the most likely cause of the deaths  
was carbon monoxide released by a pump extracting water from a lake in the 
cave.   
The four, all from Belgrade, had come along with five other cave explorers to 
 do research in the cave.  
_http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2106451,00.html_ 
(http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2106451,00.html)  
Two speleologists die  exploring cave  29 April 2007 | 14:43 | Source:  Beta  
  
ĆUPRIJA -- Rescuers recovered bodies of two  speleologists that drowned early 
Sunday in a cave near Ravanica monastery.  

Rescuers are still searching the cavern in  a bid to locate the remaining two 
speleologists who also went missing.  

The accident occurred at 1,500  meters underground, as the speleoloist were 
exploring the  interior of the cave. 

Two vicitms have been identified as Belgrade  University students Boško Madž
arević and Bojan Borokić, both members  of the Speleologists Association 
"As". 

The Ravanica cave is  said to consist of 10 channels filled with water. 
According to still  unconfirmed information, speleologist drowned in the 
second. 
 
_http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?=2007&mm=04&dd=29&nav_cat
egory=121&nav_id=40974_ 
(http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?=2007&mm=04&dd=29&nav_category=121&nav_id=40974)
 

Belgrade - Four speleologists have died in an accident in the deep  Ravanica 
cave in central Serbia, local media reported Sunday.  
Quoting sources from speleologist circles, reports said that two of the  
bodies were retrieved, while two were still missing in the cave located  120 
kilometres southeast of Belgrade.  
The accident occurred at a depth of 1,500 metres, when the  speleologists 
attempted to dive through one of its 10 known siphons, or a  branch of the cave 
partially submerged by water.  
_http://news.monstersandcritics.com/europe/news/article_1297976.php/Four_spele
ologists_die_in_cave_in_Serbia_ 
(http://news.monstersandcritics.com/europe/news/article_1297976.php/Four_speleologists_die_in_cave_in_Serbia)
 







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Re: [Texascavers] Langtry Lead

[David Locklear]

To the best of my knowledge the rancher/owner of the Langtry Caves has never
closed them to cavers except they may not have been accessible during certain
important ranching events.

The Aggie Speleological Society had a very good relationship with the previous
landowner and sometime around 1988 or 89, the new landowner took control
and extended their privaledge to cave there.But after about 3 trips, he said
he was going to start charging $ 100 ahead and that is when I stoppped
going.I would be making a wild assumption if I said there have
been no other trips
there.I don't know if any caver has ever paid the fee.

I was able to talk him into 3 or 4 free trips during the 94 NSS
Convention, but unfortunately, only 2 trips happened and they did not
go well.

And later he let me have at least 1 or 2 trips for free to take a small group
of Houston cavers.

Had I had access to CaveTex in those days, then those trips could have had
more cavers.

Sometime around 1987, there was some vandalism in Langtry Lead Cave.
I was told somebody had smashed up a formation of aragonite needles.
I don't recall the formation.I don't know if local Langtry kids go in the
caves or if the ranch hands go in the caves.There are no gates.

I lost interest in the caves for a variety of reasons. I was becoming more
interested in trips to the Sierra Madres for deeper and wetter caves and caves
that were not so hot and dusty. My last 2 efforts to organize a trip there
were a lot of work for very little enjoyment.And nobody likes the idea
of paying to cave, especially when there are free caves with much easier
access.And it is a long drive from Houston.

In about 1991, we were at the Langtry gas station, and a bicycler went by
who said he had rode from Fairbanks, Alaska and he was on his way to
the east coast.We invited him to camp with us and he explored Quarry
Cave with us.He was a really interesting person, and I wish I had
written his
name down somewhere.I was always curious if he ever went caving again.

Does anybody know if the rancher really owns Quarry Cave?Is it on the
same ranch?Does some entity have easement rights to it?Have
any cavers have taken GPS coordinates on the caves?

Has anybody done a lot of ridgewalking along the riverbed at Pandale?   Have
all those caves been thoroughly checked out and surveyed.I believe the
rock-art enthusiast have done a lot of work there.Can you still camp
at the bridge there.I used to love to camp there.

David Locklear

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Re: Fw: [Texascavers] Cave Rescue in Penn. 2

[Bill Bentley]

Man we barely missed a full blown flood!
Yes that is a boat floating by...

This pic was taken Sunday after a all night rain upstream...

We canoed Saturday...

Bill
  - Original Message - 
  From: Charles Goldsmith 
  To: Bill Bentley 
  Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 6:46 PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: [Texascavers] Cave Rescue in Penn. 2


  Bill, believe it or not, I received 0 emails about this.  I even waited a few 
days before replying to you, just so it wouldn't jinx me and I'd get 344 emails 
(we have 346 members now, I knew you wouldn't email me about it, and of course 
I wouldn't) 

  Times must be changing, or people overlooked it :)

  How was the float trip?
  Charles


  On 4/26/07, Bill Bentley < ca...@caver.net> wrote:
Charles,
Gees one cave rescue email and it has brought up religion and homosexuality 
in one day...a few hours even... A new record!!!...
I am off to canoe the Rio Grande in Big Bend and I really hate to think
about coming in Sunday evening and finding 720 texacavers emails filling my
inbox...But if I do I will smile and thank the great deity that I am not 
the 
man in charge...
I thinks it is gonna be a long weekend...

:)
Bill

RE: [Texascavers] UT grotto t-shirts! : )

[wesley s]

Sorry about the last line. that was not meant for reprinting as this 
original message was from last week. There IS a meeting this week. I repeat 
there IS a meeting this week.


Wes~



From: "wesley s" 
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] UT grotto t-shirts! : )
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:40:38 -0500

Now on sale at a UT Grotto Meeting near you!

T-Shirts ranging in sizes but limited in number they're sure to sell fast. 
they are light and soft and Oh so comfy you'll never want to take it off. 
So come get your new 2007 grotto shirt. There will be a link on 
UTgrotto.org soon where you can check them out.



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Re: Fw: [Texascavers] Cave Rescue in Penn. 2

[Charles Goldsmith]

Bill, believe it or not, I received 0 emails about this.  I even waited a
few days before replying to you, just so it wouldn't jinx me and I'd get 344
emails (we have 346 members now, I knew you wouldn't email me about it, and
of course I wouldn't)

Times must be changing, or people overlooked it :)

How was the float trip?
Charles

On 4/26/07, Bill Bentley  wrote:


Charles,
Gees one cave rescue email and it has brought up religion and
homosexuality
in one day...a few hours even... A new record!!!...
I am off to canoe the Rio Grande in Big Bend and I really hate to think
about coming in Sunday evening and finding 720 texacavers emails filling
my
inbox...But if I do I will smile and thank the great deity that I am not
the
man in charge...
I thinks it is gonna be a long weekend...

:)
Bill

[Texascavers] UT grotto t-shirts! : )

[wesley s]

Now on sale at a UT Grotto Meeting near you!

T-Shirts ranging in sizes but limited in number they're sure to sell fast. 
they are light and soft and Oh so comfy you'll never want to take it off. So 
come get your new 2007 grotto shirt. There will be a link on UTgrotto.org 
soon where you can check them out.



Wes~

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[Texascavers] San Antonio Grotto Meetings

[Marlena Cobb]

Can anyone tell me where the San Antonio/Bexar County Grotto meetings are held and when?  
Thanks for the help,~Marlena

 
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Langtry Lead

[Nico Escamilla]

Geary

I dont know bout Texas but here in Mexico the average deer lease in the Palo
Blanco basin (the Anahuac and Lampazos area in Nuevo Leon is about 2500 to
3000 bucks per gun, hunting season lasts 8 to 10 weeks, so the average price
is less than 50 a day.. I know hunters dont spend every single day at the
lease during the season, but its just a math I'm doing..
100 bucks is pretty steep at least for me

On 4/30/07, Geary Schindel  wrote:



Folks,

Regarding Langry Lead and Emerald Sink, I talked to the owner of the
caves this weekend. David L. gave me the contact information.  Thank you
David.  I wanted to inquire regarding the status of the property and
caves.

It was an interesting conversation.  He was not at his office but his
office manger recommended I call him on his cell phone.  I introduced
myself and told him who I was, asked him if the caves were still open
and that I had heard that the property might be for sale.

He said that the caves were open, it would cost $100 per person to visit
the caves.  You would have to sign a release.  He owns the property to
make money which also includes leasing the property to hunters.  He said
that the property was not for sale and that was pretty much the end of
the conversation.

I'm not a big fan of paying to go into a cave but our conversation
implied that he was treating cavers much like hunters who do pay to hunt
on a piece of property.  If you consider the price of a hunting lease
for a year and divide by the number of days you may be on that hunting
leave per year, than you are probably paying more per day to hunt than
to cave.  This is a very dangerous slope to be on.  I would hate to have
caving turn into a money sport where you have to pay a fee to go caving.


Geary Schindel

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[Texascavers] Langtry Lead

[Geary Schindel]

Folks, 

Regarding Langry Lead and Emerald Sink, I talked to the owner of the
caves this weekend. David L. gave me the contact information.  Thank you
David.  I wanted to inquire regarding the status of the property and
caves.

It was an interesting conversation.  He was not at his office but his
office manger recommended I call him on his cell phone.  I introduced
myself and told him who I was, asked him if the caves were still open
and that I had heard that the property might be for sale.

He said that the caves were open, it would cost $100 per person to visit
the caves.  You would have to sign a release.  He owns the property to
make money which also includes leasing the property to hunters.  He said
that the property was not for sale and that was pretty much the end of
the conversation.

I'm not a big fan of paying to go into a cave but our conversation
implied that he was treating cavers much like hunters who do pay to hunt
on a piece of property.  If you consider the price of a hunting lease
for a year and divide by the number of days you may be on that hunting
leave per year, than you are probably paying more per day to hunt than
to cave.  This is a very dangerous slope to be on.  I would hate to have
caving turn into a money sport where you have to pay a fee to go caving.


Geary Schindel

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[Texascavers] Cave rescue of the week

[addison]

This time in Indiana, and just in time for NSS Convention!

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070430/LOCAL/704300430

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[Texascavers] New tool for lead climbing

[addison]

Got a hairy looking lead climb.  Those crafty guys at Stanford are working on a 
robot for you!

http://robotics.stanford.edu/~latombe/projects/fulltry_mpeg.mpg


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RE: [Texascavers] The NSS News

[Fritz Holt]

David,

I have lived in Houston for the last 72 years except for a year in
Arkansas at age 17 and a two year hitch in the US Army.

Living? In Houston must cause insanity as my wife says that the older I
get the crazier I become. Maybe it just goes with becoming an old
geezer. - Fritz

 

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From: John P Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:30 PM
To: David Locklear; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The NSS News

 

If you think the NSS News article was cool...you should get the
Lechugilla DVD and see those pictures on your computer

You can look around 360 degrees horizontally and vertically. And you can
zoom into areas for a closer look.

There is also a Carlsbad caverns DVD. It has around 26 images. The
Lechugilla DVD has around 13 images.

Both DVDs have interactive cave maps. And both have interpretative text
about the caves and photos. By clicking the interpretative text...it
zooms in on the photos to show the formation being explained.

Pretty cool stuffnot as cool as being there...but its a close
second.



David Locklear  wrote:

Have you seen the latest issue of the NSS News?

Wow! That is an exciting newsletter.

I have always wondered
why more cavers didn't take panoramic caving photos. I remember
back in the 80's that James Jasek used to take panoramic photos
at TCR.

And the photographer wasn't even a caver, was he?

The edges of the photos sort of distort the reality of the cave,
however,
this distortion seems to provide a nice effect to the photo.
Check
out the awesome centerfold.

The map of Lech is amazing. Back in the spring of 1985, several
of us
Aggies were planning a trip to the Guads, and after looking at
the map
of Lech, which showed just a short blind pit, we dediced to
focus on
Slaughter Canyon. I seem to recall saying to them, that the map
shows a "?" mark and says "blowing lead," or something to that
effect.
Either way, we weren't prepared for a digging project, and most
of us had
only been in about 10 caves. We ended up making several annual
trips
to "Lake Cave." Has anybody found any new passage there in the
past
20 years?


I have another question, that I think is of psychological
nature?

When you see a caver in a magazine standing in some really
awesome photo,
do you feel jealosy or is it something else? Or do you feel
disappointed
that you are not going in virgin parts of Lechiguilla?

I am sitting here watching
Barbie's Swan Lake on DVD for about the 20th time, and I am
enjoying very
much spending time with my 2 year old, but man would I like to
get out
of Houston permanently, and live closer to some nice caves. ( I
can now
recite most of the script to all of the Barbie DVD's. )

I think for me, the feeling is that I wish I had more spare time
to go camping
and that I wish I lived in a town with more natural scenery.
Could you stay
sane living in Houston for 30 years?

David Locklear


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