Re: [Texascavers] FW: Midnight Cave
The cave he is referring to is one of our most treasured caves. Anyone who has ever seen it, would want to see that it is protected from abuse, and by abuse, I mean too many cavers carelessly visiting the cave. At the present time, I don't think there is a problem with too many cavers visiting the cave, however, all it takes is one clumsy caver to bump his caving helmet into a helectite. I would like to see a professional High-Definition film made in this cave. I would also like to see a coffee-table like book made of all the formations in this cave. Does the corkscrew need a gate?Does the cave need a better gate?Is the landowner ever going to sell the cave to the TCMA or Nature Conservancy? Have any cavers seriously considered trying to buy the cave? There are parts of this cave that don't have delicate formations and could be visited by recreational cavers without any problems. But how do you stop them from accidentally breaking a fish-tail? This trip requires a competent trip leader.This person should not take non-cavers in the cave. ( Should it be off-limits to non-TSA members ?? ) And I don't think anyone under 21 should go in the cave, unless the trip leader is certain they are mature and consciencious about the speleothems. I think there needs to be some general agreement among cavers that beginners are not told about what lies beyond the Corkscrew, or for that matter not taken to the cave at all. All trips announced to this cave should be called trips to Slimey Grungy Belly-Crawl Cave. ( SGBCC )People allergic to leaches should avoid this cave. That would weed out a few people, right?? David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Re:Midnight Cave
David, those are interesting comments coming from a guy who formerly used CaveTex to broadcast a come-one-come-all invitation to meet you and visit Midnight Cave. How were you planning to make sure that those who responded were mature and consciencious about the speleothems ? Were you a competent trip leader? ===Carl Kunath - Original Message - From: David Locklear To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Midnight Cave The cave he is referring to is one of our most treasured caves. Anyone who has ever seen it, would want to see that it is protected from abuse, and by abuse, I mean too many cavers carelessly visiting the cave. At the present time, I don't think there is a problem with too many cavers visiting the cave, however, all it takes is one clumsy caver to bump his caving helmet into a helectite. I would like to see a professional High-Definition film made in this cave. I would also like to see a coffee-table like book made of all the formations in this cave. Does the corkscrew need a gate?Does the cave need a better gate?Is the landowner ever going to sell the cave to the TCMA or Nature Conservancy? Have any cavers seriously considered trying to buy the cave? There are parts of this cave that don't have delicate formations and could be visited by recreational cavers without any problems. But how do you stop them from accidentally breaking a fish-tail? This trip requires a competent trip leader.This person should not take non-cavers in the cave. ( Should it be off-limits to non-TSA members ?? ) And I don't think anyone under 21 should go in the cave, unless the trip leader is certain they are mature and consciencious about the speleothems. I think there needs to be some general agreement among cavers that beginners are not told about what lies beyond the Corkscrew, or for that matter not taken to the cave at all. All trips announced to this cave should be called trips to Slimey Grungy Belly-Crawl Cave. ( SGBCC )People allergic to leaches should avoid this cave. That would weed out a few people, right?? David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.11/944 - Release Date: 8/9/2007 2:44 PM
RE: [Texascavers] socks for 54 degree wet caves
David, I've used Thorlo socks for about 10 years now. They range from about $8-14 normally, but if you watch the sales in the Campmor catalog or on REIOUTLET.com you can get them cheaper. Same sort of blend as RD mentioned but they also have blends with Wool in them - some cavers swear by those. They are machine washable and really hold up. Cat From: RD Milhollin [mailto:rdmilhol...@charter.net] Sent: Fri 8/10/2007 9:25 AM To: David Locklear; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] socks for 54 degree wet caves David, I use some socks that are 90% nylon and 10% lycra under my neoprene caving socks. I found this Nike product at Academy for about $10 per pair, and originally sought them out to prevent or mitigate chafing from full-foot fins during underwater hockey games. My neoprene socks are a little worn, and let water freely circulate in oversize boots, and I found recently that the Nike socks worn as a liner help that problem a lot. I tried the plastic bag routine once and found it uncomfortable to the extent that it took away from enjoyment of the trip, although it did help keep gravel out of the boot. -Original Message- From: David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:08 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] socks for 54 degree wet caves I like to wear neoprene socks in my caving boots whenever I know I am going to be in a cave with lots of water. http://www.sailgb.com/pi/Typhoon/flatsocks_1.jpg Neoprene socks are readily available at almost all sporting goods stores, Academy, etc. ( even Walmart ) On a recent trip into a cave with colder water, I found that my neoprene socks were not keeping my feet as warm as I would have liked. I would like to discuss this subject.
RE: [Texascavers] Glory, Glory (school song)
Wikipedia is our friend. From:gi...@att.netTo:rod.g...@ieee.orgCC:Texascavers@texascavers.comSubject:[Texascavers] Glory, Glory (school song)Date:Sat, 11 Aug 2007 00:05:22 +Received:from raistlin.wokka.org ([69.56.185.90]) by bay0-mc2-f2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:05:50 -0700Received:(qmail 32722 invoked by uid 89); 11 Aug 2007 00:05:54 -Received:(qmail 32713 invoked by uid 31338); 11 Aug 2007 00:05:53 -Glory, Glory, Hallelujah!The teacher hit me with a ruler.I bopped her on the beanWith a rotten tangerineAnd I'm not in school anymore.Seems like there was a verse or two that preceded that one. Ah, yes, I see your last line now. It was something like:Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the schoolWe have (done all the something)We have broken all the rules.There my memory breaks down. BUT, Wikipedia to the rescue:--Ediger-from WikipediaTypical lines are Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school We have vanquished every teacher - we have broken every rule We plan to kill the principal at quarter after two The school is burning down! Glory, glory, hallelujah My teacher hit me with a ruler Met her up in heaven, back in 1327 And she ain't my teacher no more "NO MORE"!There are many variations of this song, which nearly always leave the first two lines of the verse and chorus intact and change the third, with some variations to the fourth.Examples of variations of the verse: We have ruptured all the teachers and we've broken all the rules, And we'll go marching on! We have sliced the English teachers and have drowned them in their blood And we'll go marching on! We have forgotten our multiplication tables, eaten our teachers and their families, And we'll go marching on! Balls balls balls balls balls balls balls, And we'll go marching on! We have shot the secretary and we hung the principal Us brats keep marching on. We have smashed up all the blackboards, we have thrown out all the books The school is burning down. We have wandered down the halls writing cuss words on the walls The school is burning down. We have bound and gagged the principal and tossed him in the pool The school is burning down. We have barbecued the principal, destroyed the PTA, Our school keeps burning on. They sent us to the office, so we hung the principal, Our troops are marching on! We are killing all the teachers, we are breaking all the rules We broke into his office and we murdered the principal Our troops go marching on! We broke into his office and we tickled the principal We have tortured every teacher and we've hung the principal. We have broken every piece of chalk as well as every rule. They have taken all the teachers out and broken every rule. They have painted all the toilets black and all the lockers white. There won't be school no more!Examples of variations of the chorus: Met her at the store with a loaded .44... I hit her in the butt with a rotten coconut... I hit her in the bean with a rotten tangerine... Met her in the attic with a semi-automatic... Met her at the gate with a loaded .38... I hid behind the door with a big ole' two-by-four Shot her up to heaven with an AK47... Shot her in the bean with an M-16... Shot her out the door with a Magnum .44... Shot her in the head and the teacher dropped dead... Met her at the bank with a loaded German tank... Reform school here I come! And there ain't no teacher no moreThis was the version sang in Southern California in the 1960s:Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the schoolWe have tortured every teacher, we have broken all the rulesThe boys are playing poker and the girls are shooting poolAs the school is burning downGlory, glory hallelujahTeacher hit me with a rulerI hid behind the door with a loaded .44And my teacher ain't teachin' no moreAnother version of this song isglory hallelujahteacher hit me with a rulerthe ruler snapped in halfand we all began to laughon the last day of septemberA version of the first stanza not connected to school was sung by this contributor's older brother, during our childhood in the 1950s:Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the lordHe is coming round the corner in a green-and-yellow FordHe has one hand on the throttle and the other on a bottleOf Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer.The chorus would follow as:Glory, Glory, Hallelujah!Teacher hit me with a rulerI bonked her on the beanWith a rotten tangerineAnd she kicked me out of school![edit]-- Original message --From: Rod Goke rod.g...@ieee.org When I was in grade school, there was another version of this song which was neither religious nor political. I've forgotten (or never completely learned) most of the words, but I recall the chorus beginning withGlory, glory, hallelujah!Teacher hit me with a ruler!. . . and the first verse beginning withMine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school:. . . This version was
[Texascavers] OT - an idea for a listserve
I like the idea of having other listserves, but as it has been pointed out after the failure of the last 2 or 3 of them, that CaveTex is just a convenient way to reach the masses. These post reach people all over the country. At the NSS Convention, people came up to me and said they read CaveTex or that the post often get forwarded to their other listserves. It is my opinion that there is not enough cavers talking to one another on CaveTex. But the most feedback I hear, is that it is not a chat line, and should be reserved for more important cave related discussions. For me, a caving listserve is the closest thing to sitting around the caver-campfire. I would like to see a listserve animated in 3-D, with a campfire in the middle. As you log on, a chair would pull up and an animated caver matching your discription would sit down at the camp-fire, pop open a beer and begin joining the discussion. Are any of you chatting with cavers using video?I still don't have a web- camera. I assume that my dial-up service wouldn't work good with that. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] OT - an idea for a listserve
David,
for a virtual campfire, go to SecondLife and build one. You can own
it and run it and have an avatar.
Otherwise you're describing a chat room, not a lit serv. Real time,
not delayed.
-k
I like the idea of having other listserves, but as it has been pointed out
after the failure of the last 2 or 3 of them, that CaveTex is just a
convenient
way to reach the masses. These post reach people all over the country.
At the NSS Convention, people came up to me and said they read
CaveTex or that the post often get forwarded to their other listserves.
It is my opinion that there is not enough cavers talking to one
another on CaveTex. But the most feedback I hear, is that it is
not a chat line, and
should be reserved for more important cave related discussions.
For me, a caving listserve is the closest thing to sitting around the
caver-campfire.
I would like to see a listserve animated in 3-D, with a campfire in
the middle. As you log on, a chair would pull up and an animated
caver matching your discription would sit down at the camp-fire, pop
open a beer and begin joining the discussion.
Are any of you chatting with cavers using video?I still don't have a web-
camera. I assume that my dial-up service wouldn't work good with that.
David Locklear
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[Texascavers] Government Canyon Karst Project
The Government Canyon Karst Project will resume on the weekend of September 15th and 16th. The project is a good place to learn basic caving skills and get to know other cavers. All skill levels are needed. There are caves that need to be surveyed and digs that need to be pushed. There are thousands of acres of ridges to walk. The chances of finding your own cave are very good if you are persistent. Some of the goals of this trip are to continue the survey of Dancing Rattler Cave, find the source of all the air coming out of Dancing Fern Cave and push a grim dig lead in the cave, re-survey Purple Mushroom Cave and push the drain at the bottom, and ridgewalk a very promising area of the park. Camping is available in the secluded volunteer campground. Contact me if you want to camp. -Marvin Miller (830) 885-5631
[Texascavers] another web-page on Texas caves
Here is a link to an RV web-page that has a dedicated article on the 7 commercial caves of Texas. http://gorvtexas.com/texascaves.htm David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] cave videos on You Tube
Dr. Lundelius has a YouTube video The Fossils of Inner Space Caverns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2VLYe9ff5U I haven't got into YouTube yet, but it seems obvious that this site has a good future. I guess I am going to have to upgrade to a faster internet service. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Re: cave videos on You Tube
I do not see an easy way to search for caver videos on You Tube. There are 30,000 videos with the word cave in them some where. It looks like a time consuming task to find an interesting caver video on You Tube? Does anybody know some good ones? David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
