Re: [Texascavers] RE: QUITE AN ANALOGY

[Ted Samsel]

The Mexicans. 
This has been suggestedto several county governments in NoVA..
anyone else hear this on the current batch of corridos? I was once asked to compose a corrido about Joe Ivy, but never got around to doing it..
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14415291
T.
-Original Message- From: "Minton, Mark" Sent: Sep 14, 2007 11:33 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] RE: QUITE AN ANALOGY 

 Ted Samsel said:

I'd rather live around Mexicans than some of the pinheaded damyanquis I've been around up here.The locals here in Virginia are itching to build gulags for 'em...

 Which, the Mexicans or the pinheads? ;-)

Mark Minton

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Re: [Texascavers] FW: Advanced Weather map

[Ted Samsel]

My weather map is bigger'n yours, Gill!

http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php

T.

-Original Message-
From: gi...@att.net
Sent: Sep 16, 2007 5:16 PM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Advanced Weather map

Here is a non-cave related delete delete delete combination of The 
Weather 
Channel radar maps aerial photography/satelite imagery--you can actually zoom 
in to 
your local area to see what the weather is, or is not.  Quite amazing.
 
 http://www.weather.com/outlook/health/allergies/map/interactive/30064?from=36hour_map_largezoom=7interactiveMapLayer=radaranimation=true
 
Golly Gee, I do hope that no overly sensitive mono-minded cavers are offended 
by it. I thought that some of the rest of you might find the Bustamante 
International Airport runway (also known as the road to the cave) interesting, 
not to mention checking out the weather over Devils Sinkhole for the mere 
token cave oriented trickery device I use to justify this post. Pray for rain.

--Ediger 


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[Texascavers] Bat T-Shirt

[Alan Blevins]

Here is a bat T-shirt some cavers may be interested in:

http://shirt.woot.com/

It's only on sale today, September 17th. If you look on another day, it will
not be available.

Re: [Texascavers] Bat T-Shirt

[Mack Pitchford]

Must've been a popular shirt. It's already sold out!

--- Alan Blevins alan.blev...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here is a bat T-shirt some cavers may be interested
 in:
 
 http://shirt.woot.com/
 
 It's only on sale today, September 17th. If you look
 on another day, it will
 not be available.
 



   

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RE: [Texascavers] Bat T-Shirt

[Fritz Holt]

Have them print some more in several colors, (yellow, lime green and
pink) to sell at TCR.
Fritz

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From: Mack Pitchford [mailto:caveb...@rocketmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bat T-Shirt

Must've been a popular shirt. It's already sold out!

--- Alan Blevins alan.blev...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here is a bat T-shirt some cavers may be interested
 in:
 
 http://shirt.woot.com/
 
 It's only on sale today, September 17th. If you look
 on another day, it will
 not be available.
 



   


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[Texascavers] RE: Corridos

[Minton, Mark]

 Ted Samsel said:

anyone else hear this on the current batch of corridos? I was once asked to compose a corrido about Joe Ivy, but never got around to doing it..

 Yes, I heard it. It's not too late to write the one about Joe!

Mark Minton

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[Nmcaver] LED Sources of Interest

[Mike_Bilbo]

Here's a couple of interesting LED sites (I don't know if cavers ever
talked to them about caver needs).  These were sent to me by one of the
super-innovative groups at the annual Burning Man event, the Alternative
Energy Zone or AEZ.  The UV LED flashlights seem to have interesting
caver-like applications:

http://www.yesled.com/web/
http://www.superbrightleds.com/


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[Texascavers] Looking For..........

[TCC-NEWS]

   The TCC-NEWS is looking for good email addresses for the following
cavers.  Please contact me at tcc-n...@austin.rr.com if you have the
correct addresses. 

 Thank you, Duwayne Glass,  TCC-News Lay Out  Distribution Officer.

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[Texascavers] Vertical Caves near Roundrock

[O'Bryan, Lisa Renee]

Im looking for a good vertical pit or cave to take beginners to after a 
weekend of vertical training. We will be training at a ranch in Roundrock 
the weekend of Sept. 28th-30th. Does anyone know of a good cave or pit in 
that genral area and who the contact may be?

~Lisa



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[Texascavers] Dung [Bat Guano] In The Space Race

[Don Cooper]

Read it here:
http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/it/2004/2/2004_2_4.shtml
Shalom
-WaV

[Texascavers] Guano Gathering Event Published in TPW Magazine

[Don Cooper]

I didn't know this event was published!  Next thing ya know, Jim will be
selling tickets! :-)

http://www.tpwmagazine.com/archive/2007/jan/scout3/

-WaV

[Texascavers] Speleo-calculus

[David Locklear]

Just when you think you have learned everything about
caving, someone comes along and adds more to learn.

In the most recent issue of the NSS Journal ( April 2007 ),
there is an interesting article about the potential for cavers to be
exposed to radiation, which could lead to cancer.

Part of the author's study is based on calculus.I can't
recall seeing calculus in previous articles before, but I usually
only get a chance to skim through the Journal.

It appears that people who spend a lot of time underground
such as guano miners, or cave tour guides need to find
out if their cave has radiation in it.

The author introduces a whole new sleugh of speleo-terminology,
such as Risk of Morbidity, Risk of Mortality, and acronyms
like LD50 - median lethal dose.

He even defines what a recreational caver is - a person that
goes caving approximately 50 hours a year.

You may recall from your high-school chemistry class - the
periodic table listing all the elements.Remember the column
with the gases to the far right? Do you remember Radon?

The author, Mr. Malcolm Field, focuses his study on Radon,
specifically Radon-222.

He believes that if the cave has this form of Radon in it, that it
will decay and produce alpha radiation.He calls this process -
ionizing radiation.

Apparently, ionizing radiation is all around us, especially in our
homes.

He mentions radiation test done on laboratory mice.  I think
someone needs to collect bats and mice that are known to have
spent a large part of their life cycle in a cave and see if they
have cancer.  If there were a high percentage of cancer, that
might explain why we don't have any troglobitic mammals.

I imagine guano miners died of histo long before they caught
cancer.  And most of them smoke heavily, so you would
have to find non-smoking guano miners.

If I understood it correctly, the threat is from breathing the radiation,
and the result is pulmonary diseases like lung cancer.

He trys to explain that it is not the Radon that is dangerous because
you exhale some of it before it can damage you.

Instead, it is the other elements associated with it, such as lead,
polonium, etc.

Although, the article was interesting, I got lost in all the stuff
over my head like phagocytized and reticuloendothelial, and oh yeah,

the calculus.

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] Speleo-calculus

[Don Cooper]

Obviously if your in the basement or a cave - you are exposed to radon.
Calculus is what you get on your teeth if you don't brush and floss
frequently enough.

Shoot - I thought there was some kind of deep caving MATHEMATICS involved
and you were about to dissertate!

-WaV


 Although, the article was interesting, I got lost in all the stuff
 over my head like phagocytized and reticuloendothelial, and oh yeah,
 the calculus.

 David Locklear

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