RE: [Texascavers] Flying suits & video
To bring this back to caving... Would anyone jump into Golandrinas wearing one of these things? Maybe with a back-up 'chute... Cheers, Stefan From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:24 PM To: George Nincehelser Cc: Texas Cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Flying suits & video The best and only real way to do this is for somebody to strap a fiberglass boogie board to the chest of his flying suit and go for it on a ski slope! I've even seen video of a guy flying over ski slopes at a 10 to 12 foot MAINTAINED (surface) altitude - land falling away at something probably close to 45 degrees - his speed apparently between 40 and 70 mph. IMO - the only way to do it is to land on a significantly sloping surface. -WaV On Dec 11, 2007 3:37 PM, George Nincehelser wrote: I'm not sure why the guy thinks he need $2,000,000 for this. I'm sure you could do a proof-of-concept quiet cheaply. Just start working with a prototype suit and a crash-test dummy. With a runway and some sort of advanced personal landing gear (like straping a skateboard to your chest) you might not spend the rest of your life in the hospital. It might be easier if someone attempts to land in water instead of on land. George -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] Flying suits & video
The best and only real way to do this is for somebody to strap a fiberglass boogie board to the chest of his flying suit and go for it on a ski slope! I've even seen video of a guy flying over ski slopes at a 10 to 12 foot MAINTAINED (surface) altitude - land falling away at something probably close to 45 degrees - his speed apparently between 40 and 70 mph. IMO - the only way to do it is to land on a significantly sloping surface. -WaV On Dec 11, 2007 3:37 PM, George Nincehelser wrote: > I'm not sure why the guy thinks he need $2,000,000 for this. I'm sure you > could do a proof-of-concept quiet cheaply. Just start working with a > prototype suit and a crash-test dummy. > > With a runway and some sort of advanced personal landing gear (like > straping a skateboard to your chest) you might not spend the rest of your > life in the hospital. > > It might be easier if someone attempts to land in water instead of on > land. > > George >
[Texascavers] Cave mapping software
>From TagNet: Cave mapping software By: Pat Kambesis (Cave City, Kentucky) There is a lot of cave mapping software on the web and most is free. Go the the Speleogenesis website http://network.speleogenesis.info/direc tory/links/index.php to see whats out there. Two programs that many US cavers use are Compass (shareware) by Larry Fish and Walls - (free) by David McKenzie. Compass is a little easier to start using and has a friendlier user interface. Its easier to get export a line plot in the correct scale with Walls... but they both do great for entering cave survey data and making line plots. After you enter data, you'll need to scan the sketches and save them either as jpgs or tiff. Scanners are cheap and they come with software so that you can make scanned files into any format that you want. When it comes time to actually drawing the map there are a number of really good drawing programs including Coreldraw and Illustrator - though these tend to be on the expensive sie (education versions are less expensive and there are also "other" ways to get copies of these types of programs). Another inexpensive drawing program is Xara (you can google all of these on the web). Also take a look at Therion which has a drawing function included. So there are lots of resources out there for entering cave data and making cave maps that are either free or relatively inexpensive. The only "obstactle" is the learning curve which is really not too difficult for any of the noted software - an hour or two with someone experienced in using such software can tell you all you need to know to get started. The rest will be practice and learning to play with the other functions of each program. Pat K. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] The Border Gone
http://www.spp.gov/ A few think that this is actually the start of the North American Union http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA - Lou Dobbs talking about it. Matt Turner "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle "Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do that."- Norman Vincent Peale - Original Message From: Gill Ediger To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 11:43:06 AM Subject: [Texascavers] The Border Gone At 11:33 AM 12/12/2007, George Nincehelser wrote: >I've always wondered if it would be easier for everybody if we just >merged Mexio/US/Canada into one unified group, sort of like the EU. Good idea, G. I've always hated borders--and really liked Mexicans. I'm afraid it wouldn't work, though--it would bring the French Canadiens into the picture and they're...ugh, well...you know --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [Texascavers] OT The Geminids are coming! The Geminids are coming!
With a possible break in the rain no less! Yeeaaahhh! Louise Power wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22149504/?GT1=10645 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1181 - Release Date: 12/11/2007 5:05 PM - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
Just like truck drivers in Iraq: bill US union-hazard rates (three
digits an hour, i heard), then hire labor from Pakistan for $60 a
day. Every body's happy. Remember that Haliburton has moved HQ to
Dubai . . .
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RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
You don't know unless you read the contract. Government contracts are public documents which you can get through FOIA. But I can tell you that, in general, the government restricts contractors from hiring anyone for a government job who is not a US citizen or who does not have a workers visa. Plus, all contractors' employees have to have to pass a background check. This is a post-911 reg from Homeland Security. We're building an addition to our building here and any worker who has unrestricted, unsupervised access to either the addition or our current building must pass a background check. Frankly, I don't think there's anything nefarious going on on the border, just a lot of incredible stupidity and lack of forethought. Unfortunately, stupidity is not a prosecutable crime. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:36:39 -0600To: Texascavers@texascavers.comFrom: nancyw@io.comSubject: RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence Boeing gets the money - who does the work? Lyndon Tiu asked: Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? Didn't you read the article? First paragraph says: Amid a strong warning from Congress, the Homeland Security Department last week conditionally accepted delivery of the first phase of a controversial electronic border fence from contractor Boeing Co., and awarded the company a $64 million contract to build the next phase.
RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
Boeing gets the money - who does the work? Lyndon Tiu asked: Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? Didn't you read the article? First paragraph says: Amid a strong warning from Congress, the Homeland Security Department last week conditionally accepted delivery of the first phase of a controversial electronic border fence from contractor Boeing Co., and awarded the company a $64 million contract to build the next phase.
RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
Lyndon Tiu asked: Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? Didn't you read the article? First paragraph says: Amid a strong warning from Congress, the Homeland Security Department last week conditionally accepted delivery of the first phase of a controversial electronic border fence from contractor Boeing Co., and awarded the company a $64 million contract to build the next phase.
RE: [Texascavers] The Border Gone
How long is the Quebec border? -Original Message- From: Gill Ediger [mailto:gi...@worldnet.att.net] At 11:33 AM 12/12/2007, George Nincehelser wrote: >I've always wondered if it would be easier for everybody if we just >merged Mexio/US/Canada into one unified group, sort of like the EU. Good idea, G. I've always hated borders--and really liked Mexicans. I'm afraid it wouldn't work, though--it would bring the French Canadiens into the picture and they're...ugh, well...you know --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] The Border Gone
At 11:33 AM 12/12/2007, George Nincehelser wrote: I've always wondered if it would be easier for everybody if we just merged Mexio/US/Canada into one unified group, sort of like the EU. Good idea, G. I've always hated borders--and really liked Mexicans. I'm afraid it wouldn't work, though--it would bring the French Canadiens into the picture and they're...ugh, well...you know --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] "coming with a smile"--not caving, but about as good
I hardly think so David! If this guy left the ground then it was for all of about 5ft. Besides, I don't think you could jump several trucks/double-decker buses, or a canyon in that suit. It was cute, I'd give it that, and I'd like to give it a go down the bobsled run or the hill, but I'll not be jumping the fountains outside the Bellagio (sp?). Stefan Ps. It was "Evel Knievel". -Original Message- From: David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Blondeau blows Evil Knievel away. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Building The Border Fence
At 11:21 AM 12/12/2007, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? It's my understanding that they are hiring a couple of Mexicans. Should have it done in about 6 months. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] "coming with a smile"--not caving, but about as good
Blondeau blows Evil Knievel away. Can I get one of those suits at Walmart? If so, will it be made in China? I bet there will be a Hollywood movie about him. I wonder if he will jump some school buses or a canyon or something? This is almost as exciting as the flying humans, but will probably become more popular once the skater-kids find out about it. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
These are articles a quick G*@&le search brought up: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6626823 And if you really want to laugh: http://protoplasm.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/rep-tancredo-proposes-to-use- illegal-immigrants-to-build-border-fence/ So it seems that Illegal Immigrants are being used! Looks like one is following the lead of Israel, who are using Palestinians to build their wall :-) Cheers, Stefan -Original Message- From: Linda Palit [mailto:lkpa...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:27 AM To: 'Lyndon Tiu'; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence Don't ask, don't tell. -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:21 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:22:12 -0600 nan...@io.com wrote: > > > > > >I echo the observations of other respondents who say that with the > >billions of dollars that this project is to cost, results could best > >be achieved > > > or even by putting the money into the mexican economy and creating a > livable life for them at home. what a concept. using millions to > make life better for people rather than punitively. > > Nance -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
I've always wondered if it would be easier for everybody if we just merged Mexio/US/Canada into one unified group, sort of like the EU. That's probably just crazy talk, but it would make for a much shorter run of fence on the southern border. George
RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
Don't ask, don't tell. -Original Message- From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:21 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:22:12 -0600 nan...@io.com wrote: > > > > > >I echo the observations of other respondents who say that with the > >billions of dollars that this project is to cost, results could best > >be achieved > > > or even by putting the money into the mexican economy and creating a > livable life for them at home. what a concept. using millions to > make life better for people rather than punitively. > > Nance -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
Question: Who are they hiring to build the fence? On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:22:12 -0600 nan...@io.com wrote: > > > > > >I echo the observations of other respondents who say that with the > >billions of dollars that this project is to cost, results could best > >be achieved > > > or even by putting the money into the mexican economy and creating a > livable life for them at home. what a concept. using millions to > make life better for people rather than punitively. > > Nance -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Mesh
At 10:15 AM 12/12/2007, John P Brooks wrote: The LED mesh we are using to cover the outside of a stadium costs around 400 to 500 usd per sf. Well, they wouldn't miss a, say, 20x30 foot piece chopped off the edge of it, would they? Just enough to line my living room Stadiums are big things. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
Nice dream but, reality would make it just that. - Original Message - From: Nancy Weaver List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:45 am Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence To: Texascavers@texascavers.com > > > > > >I echo the observations of other respondents who say that with > the > >billions of dollars that this project is to cost, results could > best > >be achieved > > > or even by putting the money into the mexican economy and creating > a > livable life for them at home. what a concept. using millions to > make life better for people rather than punitively. > > Nance
RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence
I echo the observations of other respondents who say that with the billions of dollars that this project is to cost, results could best be achieved or even by putting the money into the mexican economy and creating a livable life for them at home. what a concept. using millions to make life better for people rather than punitively. Nance
Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles
The LED mesh we are using to cover the outside of a stadium costs around 400 to 500 usd per sf. Then you need all the technology infrastucture to run it...plus programs and content...but, yes, one could create a virtual cave at home. But before you make the leap...I would wait a couple of years..as this technology is likely to make some big leaps in the next few years. Interestingly...this whole idea of massive media came about from the film "bladerunner". Corky wrote: > Or even better for us that are unable to cave right now, we could line > our homes with LED's and project images of cave interiors. I could take > a cave trip and never leave the farm! All I would need is a can of Guano > Air Freshener to complete the illusion. > Corky > John P Brooks wrote: >> Those Guatemala caves must be open pits? Or caves without roofs. I have seen >> P51s fly over while caving in Carta Valley before. Actually, we were looking >> for caves. Because if we were, tevhnically caving, unless the rock was >> transperant, we wouldn,t have seen them.of course, with the improvements in >> LED Media Wall technology; it would be possible to line the ceiling of a >> cave with an LED mesh...and then place cameras on the surface to capture >> what flys over...or capture images, so you know if its raining or when it >> gets dark outside. You could even add a satellite dish so you could catch >> the latest Desparate Housewives episode or watch the tu longhorns play. Of >> coursethese images are very grainy...so it would need to be a large >> room. Which leads one to wonder why you couldn,t just line all the walls, >> floor and ceilings with LEDs? Then you could play one of those Lechugilla >> 360 dvds and it would be almost like the real thing. But if you wanted to see >> the planes fly over in this scenario...you might have to add it in with >> photoshop or animate it. >> >> Allan B. Cobb wrote: >> >>> > Strictly an >>> opinion but as the DC3 is obsolete, 3% ain’t bad. My first commercial >>> > flight was on a >>> DC3 from Bryan/College Station to Houston >>> > while attending >>> Allen >>> Academy in about 1950. >>> >>> I rode on a DC-3 on a flight between Cozumel and >>> Cancun back in 1983. The starboard engine was smoking really badly but we >>> made it OK. There is still one sitting at the airport in Guatemala >>> City. It has moved around over the years but I don't know if they still >>> fly it. The Guatemalan air force has some P-51 Mustangs that it still >>> flies. I see them when I go to Guatemala for caving. (Just to make >>> this caving related.) >>> >> >> >> - >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> >> >> >> - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles
Or even better for us that are unable to cave right now, we could line our homes with LED's and project images of cave interiors. I could take a cave trip and never leave the farm! All I would need is a can of Guano Air Freshener to complete the illusion. Corky John P Brooks wrote: Those Guatemala caves must be open pits? Or caves without roofs. I have seen P51s fly over while caving in Carta Valley before. Actually, we were looking for caves. Because if we were, tevhnically caving, unless the rock was transperant, we wouldn,t have seen them.of course, with the improvements in LED Media Wall technology; it would be possible to line the ceiling of a cave with an LED mesh...and then place cameras on the surface to capture what flys over...or capture images, so you know if its raining or when it gets dark outside. You could even add a satellite dish so you could catch the latest Desparate Housewives episode or watch the tu longhorns play. Of coursethese images are very grainy...so it would need to be a large room. Which leads one to wonder why you couldn,t just line all the walls, floor and ceilings with LEDs? Then you could play one of those Lechugilla 360 dvds and it would be almost like the real thing. But if you wanted to see the planes fly over in this scenario...you might have to add it in with photoshop or animate it. Allan B. Cobb wrote: > Strictly an opinion but as the DC3 is obsolete, 3% ain’t bad. My first commercial > flight was on a DC3 from Bryan/College Station to Houston > while attending Allen Academy in about 1950. I rode on a DC-3 on a flight between Cozumel and Cancun back in 1983. The starboard engine was smoking really badly but we made it OK. There is still one sitting at the airport in Guatemala City. It has moved around over the years but I don't know if they still fly it. The Guatemalan air force has some P-51 Mustangs that it still flies. I see them when I go to Guatemala for caving. (Just to make this caving related.) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles
Those Guatemala caves must be open pits? Or caves without roofs. I have seen P51s fly over while caving in Carta Valley before. Actually, we were looking for caves. Because if we were, tevhnically caving, unless the rock was transperant, we wouldn,t have seen them.of course, with the improvements in LED Media Wall technology; it would be possible to line the ceiling of a cave with an LED mesh...and then place cameras on the surface to capture what flys over...or capture images, so you know if its raining or when it gets dark outside. You could even add a satellite dish so you could catch the latest Desparate Housewives episode or watch the tu longhorns play. Of coursethese images are very grainy...so it would need to be a large room. Which leads one to wonder why you couldn,t just line all the walls, floor and ceilings with LEDs? Then you could play one of those Lechugilla 360 dvds and it would be almost like the real thing. But if you wanted to see the planes fly over in this scenario...you might have to add it in with photoshop or animate it. Allan B. Cobb wrote: > > Strictly an > opinion but as the DC3 is obsolete, 3% ain’t bad. My first commercial > > flight was on a > DC3 from Bryan/College Station to Houston > > while attending > Allen > Academy in about 1950. > > I rode on a DC-3 on a flight between Cozumel and > Cancun back in 1983. The starboard engine was smoking really badly but we > made it OK. There is still one sitting at the airport in Guatemala > City. It has moved around over the years but I don't know if they still > fly it. The Guatemalan air force has some P-51 Mustangs that it still > flies. I see them when I go to Guatemala for caving. (Just to make > this caving related.) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
