[Texascavers] Nevada Barr's Blind Descent

2008-08-27 Thread Louise Power

I don't know how many of you are mystery fiction fans, but Nevada Barr is one 
of the best and probably the only one in her specific genre--mysteries taking 
place in National Parks. In 1993, she published Track of the Cat, the first of 
fourteen novels with Anna Pigeon, a park ranger, as her protagonist. This novel 
took place in Guadalupe Mountains National Park, her second posting with the 
Park Service.
 
In 1998, she published Blind Descent, her sixth in the series, which took place 
in a highly disguised Lechuguilla Cave, Carlsbad Caverns NP:
 
Blind Descent, the sixth in the Anna Pigeon series, is set in Carlsbad Caverns 
National Park. Lechuguilla, the cave the action takes place in has been largely 
fictionalized both for plot and because, to preserve it, the NPS has closed the 
cave to visitors. Blind Descent was nominated for an Anthony Award.
 
Dale Pate was her escort through the Park. The book, a tense murder mystery, 
was excellent and provided me with more than a couple of empathetic moments 
(flashes of claustrophobia). All of her books are good. As another federal 
employee and former Carlsbad Caverns employee, I can tell by what she says and 
how she says it that she is NPS. If you like mysteries, you'll like this 
series--even though they don't take place in caves.

Re: [Texascavers] Nevada Barr's Blind Descent

2008-08-27 Thread Patrick Shaw
Yes indeed - a fine tale, and I was amazed that in the whole book I 
don't think the words spelunker or spelunking appear once!


Louise Power wrote:
I don't know how many of you are mystery fiction fans, but Nevada Barr 
is one of the best and probably the only one in her specific 
genre--mysteries taking place in National Parks. In 1993, she 
published /Track of the Cat/, the first of fourteen novels with Anna 
Pigeon, a park ranger, as her protagonist. This novel took place in 
Guadalupe Mountains National Park, her second posting with the Park 
Service.
 
In 1998, she published /Blind Descent, /her sixth in the series,/ 
/which took place in a highly disguised Lechuguilla Cave, Carlsbad 
Caverns NP:
 
/*Blind Descent*, the sixth in the Anna Pigeon series, is set in 
Carlsbad Caverns National Park. Lechuguilla, the cave the action takes 
place in has been largely fictionalized both for plot and because, to 
preserve it, the NPS has closed the cave to visitors. Blind Descent 
was nominated for an Anthony Award./
 
Dale Pate was her escort through the Park. The book, a tense murder 
mystery, was excellent and provided me with more than a couple of 
empathetic moments (flashes of claustrophobia). All of her books are 
good. As another federal employee and former Carlsbad Caverns 
employee, I can tell by what she says and how she says it that she is 
NPS. If you like mysteries, you'll like this series--even though they 
don't take place in caves.




Re: [Texascavers] Nevada Barr's Blind Descent

2008-08-27 Thread quinta
If you liked this one you will like the other park mystery books by Nevada Barr.
Quinta 

In 1998, she published Blind Descent, her sixth in the series, which took place 
in a highly disguised Lechuguilla Cave, Carlsbad Caverns NP:
 
Blind Descent, the sixth in the Anna Pigeon series, is set in Carlsbad Caverns 
National Park. Lechuguilla, the cave the action takes place in has been largely 
fictionalized both for plot and because, to preserve it, the NPS has closed the 
cave to visitors. Blind Descent was nominated for an Anthony Award.


[ot_caving] CNG

2008-08-27 Thread quinta
  I know this is not a 'fix' and may bring up prices in the short run but 
It is interesting.
  Quinta

  Source - NGV Global 
  Friday, 22 August 2008 00:00  
  USA, Texas

  The Texas General Land Office is expanding eligibility for their Natural 
Gas Vehicle Initiative Grant Program to include private fleets in urban 
counties.  Street sweepers, forklifts, buses and garbage trucks that run on 
diesel are expensive and dirty, Land Office Commissioner Jerry Patterson said. 
This grant program helps convert these fleets to clean-burning natural gas, 
which is produced right here in Texas, costs less and even earns money for 
public education.

  The Land Office grant program has already drawn the attention of public 
entities, like the cities of Dallas and Austin, both of which have made 
applications. The goal of opening up the grant program to private fleets is to 
ensure that private companies doing contract work for public entities won't be 
cut out, Patterson said.  

  Patterson said the biggest hurdle in switching to natural gas is the lack 
of natural gas stations at every corner. But once a network of CNG [compressed 
natural gas] stations is developed, as in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, the 
savings can really start to add up, Patterson said. Dallas alone now has a 
fleet of more than 1,200 CNG vehicles.

  The NGV grant program, provided to the Land Office through the Texas 
Commission on Environmental Quality, will be open in 34 counties in areas 
specified by the Texas Emissions Reduction Plan to meet air quality program 
goals. This $5 million grant program also is a step toward achieving President 
Bush's goal of reducing U.S. gasoline usage by 20 percent in the next 10 years. 
 Eligible public partners in the Austin, San Antonio, Dallas, Fort Worth, 
Houston, Tyler, Longview and Baytown areas also will be able to save money by 
purchasing natural gas for their fleets from the Texas General Land Office's 
State Energy Marketing Program.   Proceeds from that program are earmarked for 
the Permanent School Fund.
 


[Texascavers] Putting cave maps into Google Map..

2008-08-27 Thread Ted Samsel


I haven't tried this, but the guy who did this shows how to put a map of a UK cave (Swildon's Hole)into GoogleMap.
Dunno if this is easy or not..
T.

http://www.bdcc.co.uk/GoogleCrunch/Crunch.htm

http://home.infionline.net/~tbsamsel/

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[ot_caving] LNG

2008-08-27 Thread quinta
  More on change over.
  Quinta


  Market Developments  
  Source - NGV Global 
  Thursday, 21 August 2008 00:00  
  USA  Canada

  CleanAir Logix of Oakland, California has ordered 9 Kenworth T800 
heavy-duty liquefied natural gas (LNG) trucks, featuring Westport Innovations' 
High Pressure Direct Injection (HPDI) technology, for deployment at the Port of 
Oakland. The Port will use the trucks for hauling containers to and from the 
seaport. Said Bob Cross, Co-Founder,  Chairman and CEO of CleanAir Logix. We 
specialize in environmentally responsible logistics solutions, and these 
Kenworth trucks featuring the Westport ISX G engine fit the bill for this 
application and our corporate mission to provide practical and commercially 
viable alternative-fuel based 
  solutions.

  We are pleased to see Westport's product going into operation in another 
busy California port, added Michael Gallagher, President  Chief Operating 
Officer  of Westport Innovations. The environmental and economic benefits of 
clean, low-carbon, and domestic LNG are leading more and more truck fleets to 
consider LNG trucks. The Westport ISX G and LNG fuel system on the Kenworth 
T800 provides operators with a robust, high performance package that addresses 
those needs.

  Based on the Cummins ISX diesel engine with cooled EGR, the Westport's 
ISX G LNG version of the engine offers the same horsepower, torque, and 
efficiency as the base diesel engine it is replacing. The Westport LNG fuel 
system comprises LNG 
  fuel tanks, proprietary Westport fuel injectors, cryogenic fuel pumps and 
associated electronic components to facilitate robust performance. The Westport 
LNG system is 2007 EPA and CARB certified to 0.8g/bhp-hr NOx and 0.01g/bhp-hr 
PM.


 


Re: [ot_caving] LNG

2008-08-27 Thread Nico Escamilla
Many people run their trucks on LNG here in Mexico my father was one of
those, its indeed a cleaner fuel and doesnt hurt the earth as much as gas
but prices went up and it ended costing more to operate a vehicle on LNG
than regular gas, plus it messes your fuel injectors in the long run. LNG
does not pack the same BTU than gas, let alone diesel so it also hurts your
fuel efficiency, with the price of LNG nowadays here, it is cheaper to
operate a gas or diesel vehicle, and personally Im not yet into saving the
earth, I'm more into saving my wallet but thats just me.

my 0.002 pesos (0.02 dollars)
Nico

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 6:37 AM, qui...@clearwire.net wrote:

More on change over.
 Quinta


 Market Developments
  Source - NGV Global Thursday, 21 August 2008 00:00  USA  Canada

 CleanAir Logix of Oakland, California has ordered 9 Kenworth T800
 heavy-duty liquefied natural gas (LNG) trucks, featuring Westport
 Innovations' High Pressure Direct Injection (HPDI) technology, for
 deployment at the Port of Oakland. The Port will use the trucks for hauling
 containers to and from the seaport. Said Bob Cross, Co-Founder,  Chairman
 and CEO of CleanAir Logix. We specialize in environmentally responsible
 logistics solutions, and these Kenworth trucks featuring the Westport ISX G
 engine fit the bill for this application and our corporate mission to
 provide practical and commercially viable alternative-fuel based
 solutions.

 We are pleased to see Westport's product going into operation in another
 busy California port, added Michael Gallagher, President  Chief Operating
 Officer  of Westport Innovations. The environmental and economic benefits
 of clean, low-carbon, and domestic LNG are leading more and more truck
 fleets to consider LNG trucks. The Westport ISX G and LNG fuel system on the
 Kenworth T800 provides operators with a robust, high performance package
 that addresses those needs.

 Based on the Cummins ISX diesel engine with cooled EGR, the Westport's ISX
 G LNG version of the engine offers the same horsepower, torque, and
 efficiency as the base diesel engine it is replacing. The Westport LNG fuel
 system comprises LNG
 fuel tanks, proprietary Westport fuel injectors, cryogenic fuel pumps and
 associated electronic components to facilitate robust performance. The
 Westport LNG system is 2007 EPA and CARB certified to 0.8g/bhp-hr NOx and
 0.01g/bhp-hr PM.





[Texascavers] upcoming Colorado Bend State Park project

2008-08-27 Thread Jim Kennedy
The weekend of September 12-14 marks the start of a new project season at 
Colorado Bend State Park (CBSP) in San Saba County, Texas.  This TSA-sponsored 
Project is helping document information on the caves and karst of the Park to 
aid in management and future research.  Currently there are approximately known 
200 caves in the Park, but we find a new one every couple of trips or so.  
 
The Project is open to all cavers, dues-paying TSA members or not (although we 
STRONGLY urge you to join and support your state-wide caving organization!).  
Cavers of all experience levels are welcome, as there are a wide variety of 
caves at the Park and a large number of tasks to be done.  There will be a 
specific set of objectives for this weekend, so make sure you see me and sign 
up for a team upon arrival.
 
We will be camping in the plush Cavers Camp, at the end of the first dirt road 
(right-hand turn) IMMEDIATELY inside the Park entrance gate.  Easy to find, 
even in the dark!  Bring your own camping gear, including water, food, and a 
means to prepare it.  There MAY be a group fire if there is no county-wide burn 
ban.  Please camp in the grassy areas BEFORE you get to the campfire area.  
Feel free to drive right up to whatever spot you pick.  There are a lot of nice 
ones a little further back in the trees if you like your privacy.
 
All cavers should come prepared to work.  Project weekend are not for tourist 
trips.  We have a variety of tasks to be accomplished, including mapping, 
writing narrative descriptions, photodocumentation, digging, and biologizing.  
Bring your own gear, including vertical gear if you are vertically competent 
and plan to do any of the vertical caves in the Park.
 
There is no need to sign up in advance, just show up at Caver Camp before 9 
a.m. on Saturday (at the latest).  I will be there early Friday to make sure 
everything is organized.  Remember that $2 will be collected from every 
participant as a Project fee, as per TSA policy.  There will be no other 
charges, including Park admission or camping fees.
 
Dogs are tolerated if they are well-behaved and kept under control.  Park rules 
indicate that they are to be on leash at all times.
 
If teams complete their objectives early Saturday, there will be opportunities 
to swim at Spicewood Springs, and easy 1/2 mile or so walk from the developed 
area near Park headquarters.  If not, plan to stay awhile Sunday and just relax!
 
Let me know if there are specific questions.  Otherwise, I hope to see you 
there!
 
Jim Crash Kennedy
TSA-CBSP Project Coordinator


[ot_caving] Protecting structures from wildfire

2008-08-27 Thread Louise Power

Earlier this summer there was some discussion on how to protect one of the 
field houses from wildfire. I offered some suggestions based on my experience 
over the past few years. Today I found an article online which may answer a lot 
of questions. In it there is also a link on how to landscape around structures. 
I'm not talking English garden landscaping, but what kind of plants might 
keep a fire from encroaching on the house. Hope this will be helpful to those 
who were doing the work.
 
http://realestate.msn.com/improve/Article2.aspx?cp-documentid=9645212GT1=35000

[NMCAVER] Fw: Bats Take Turns 'Shutting Up' When Flying in Groups

2008-08-27 Thread LEE STEVENS
Hi,

Just received an interesting article on bat communication. Please post on the 
website.

Thanks,

Lee
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:30 PM
Subject: Bats Take Turns 'Shutting Up' When Flying in Groups


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,410661,00.htmlhttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,410661,00.html

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[Texascavers] Bat Communication

2008-08-27 Thread Minton, Mark
   From NMCaver:  Bats Take Turns 'Shutting Up' When Flying in Groups:  
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,410661,00.html

Mark Minton


[Texascavers] another hollywood cave movie ?

2008-08-27 Thread David
http://www.joblo.com/arrow/index.php?id=13553


[ot_caving] Alaska oil

2008-08-27 Thread quinta
About Open CRS 


American taxpayers spend over $100 million a year to fund the Congressional 
Research Service, a think tank that provides reports to members of Congress 
on a variety of topics relevant to current political events. Yet, these reports 
are not made available to the public in a way that they can be easily obtained. 
A project of the Center for Democracy  Technology through the cooperation of 
several organizations and collectors of CRS Reports, Open CRS provides citizens 
access to CRS Reports already in the public domain and encourages Congress to 
provide public access to all CRS Reports.



RL34547
Possible Federal Revenue from Oil Development of ANWR and Nearby Areas
June 23, 2008


Download Locations:   Open CRS (User submitted)  




Summary: 


Recent high petroleum prices, and the related economic burden on consumers and 
energy-intensive industries, has raised the issue of stimulating domestic 
supplies of crude oil. One possible source is the coastal plain of the Arctic 
National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), which is estimated to contain significant 
quantities of oil and gas. Interest in developing the ANWR oil resources has 
also focused on the revenues that the federal government could collect should 
exploration and development be successful. Some observers have suggested using 
such revenues for purposes such as providing relief to petroleum consumers, 
further subsidizing energy conservation measures, or reducing federal budget 
deficits. However, current federal law prohibits the production of oil and gas 
in ANWR. Federal revenues would consist primarily of corporate income taxes on 
profits earned by oil producers from the production and sale of ANWR oil. As 
landowner, the federal government would also collect royalties from such 
production on federal lands, which are included in the estimates. If producers 
were able to recover 10.3 billion barrels of oil over the life of the 
properties -- the United States Geological Survey has estimated there is a 
50-50 chance that the ANWR coastal plain contains at least this amount of oil 
-- and if oil prices are $125/barrel, then the federal government might be able 
to collect $191 billion in revenues over the production period, estimated to be 
at least 30 years once production commences. This estimate consists of nearly 
$132 billion in federal corporate income taxes, and about nearly $59 billion in 
federal royalties. These estimates are subject to major limitations. Estimates 
of technologically recoverable oil used in this report include the resources 
from the federal lands, and assume the availability of resources in Native 
lands in the Refuge and offshore state lands. The Alaska Statehood Act would 
allot 90% of gross royalties to the state and 10% to the federal government. 
The federal government would collect revenues from bonus bids from federal 
leases, and rents on undeveloped leases. These are not estimated separately by 
CRS. Independent estimates by the Congressional Budget Office for President 
Bush's FY2009 budget proposal show estimated bonus bid revenues of $6 billion 
between FY2011 and FY2018. Finally, income tax revenues from the secondary 
feedback effects would also increase as a result of the stimulus to general 
economic activity. However, these revenues are not included here due to the 
difficulty in estimation over the projection time horizon. 



RS22928
Oil Development on Federal Lands and the Outer Continental Shelf
August 06, 2008


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Summary: 


Over the past year, crude oil prices have nearly doubled, reaching record 
levels. Proposals before Congress include a number of legislative initiatives 
to increase domestic oil production. These proposals have fallen into two broad 
categories: (1) to open areas of the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) which are 
currently under leasing moratoria; and (2) to encourage companies holding oil 
and gas leases to diligently develop leases to bring them into production. Two 
bills were introduced that would have denied new leases to those lessees who 
were not developing their leases or producing oil or gas (H.R. 6251 and H.R. 
6515). The two bills, including similar provisions, were introduced under 
suspension of the rules in the House and both failed to achieve the necessary 
two-thirds support. Comparable legislation has been introduced in the Senate 
(S. 3239). There are also several proposals to lift the congressional OCS 
moratoria (e.g., H.R. 6418, H.R. 6529, and S. 3126, S. 3202), including an 
amendment to the FY2009 Interior, Environment and Related Agencies 
appropriation bill. Proponents of these initiatives argue that promising areas 
should be open for exploration to maximize domestic oil production as quickly 
as possible. However, there are long lead times and often numerous 
considerations and constraints in getting federal oil and gas leases from the 
lease sale into production. Many leases 

[NMCAVER] SWR Regional Labor Day Weekend

2008-08-27 Thread Ray Keeler
Hello All,

Sandia Grotto members have been working hard on this weekend's regional in the 
Sandia Ski Resort.  We have more projects and trips planned than we probably 
have people coming to attend.  Please join us for the weekend.  Print this 
email out and take with you.

We have camping at the north end of the Ski Resort lower parking lot arranged.
Direction signs will be out starting at 4PM Friday.  
There is a gate to the lower ski lodge and the camping area that closes about 
6PM each night.  
The gate will be locked.  We will have our lock on the gate.
The combination is 2402.
Cell phone numbers if there are any problems:
Kevin Lorms (Sandia Pres.)  505-205-9090
Ray Keeler (Sandia Grotto VP)  623-523-1760
A pot luck dinner is set for Saturday evening.  Bring food to share.
Elevation is about 8000 feet so it will be cool/chilly at night (which will be 
a nice relief)
The lodge within short walking distance will be open for food each day from 
10AM-3PM.
The ski lift will be open from 9AM to 4PM for those who want to ride to the top.
The Ski Resort will rent mountain bikes if you want to ride to the top and bike 
down.
We have a special use permit for the event.
Two porta jons are being rented.
Kevin is bringing a keg and five gallons of margaritas.
The beer and margaritas will be $1 per glass to help pay for the porta jons.

CAVES:
We have trips planned to (and permission for) the following caves in the Sandia 
Mountains.  Trip sign ups will be after the SWR meeting Saturday morning.  Yup, 
we have leaders.
Sandia Cave - is a 454 foot long, dry, phreatic cave.  There are no pits. The 
cave is a national natural landmark.  It was the subject of an extensive 
archeological dig circa 1939.  A spiral stair case was installed to allow 
public access.

Guano Cave - The cave has a large opening that is easily seen from the road and 
is located about ½ mile north of Sandia Cave.  The cave has a large entrance 
room and about 125 feet of passages.  Soot covers the ceiling in the entrance 
room.  There is recent litter in this room that needs to be removed.

Davis Cave - is a small, two room cave and was the subject of an archeological 
dig circa 1939.  

Marmot Cave - was referenced in the original proposal as Tee Pee Cave.  The 
Hibben report (1939) referenced Marmot Cave and we believe these are the same 
cave.  The Marmot Cave name will be used in the future.  The Cave is a single, 
walking passage about 30 feet long.  The joint controlled passage continues as 
a very narrow crawlway.

Embudo Cave - is located on the Ski Resort property.  The cave is a large, 
single room and currently has a solid steel door that seals the entrance.  A 
hand crank is needed to open a covering that allows access to the lock.  The 
Forest Service has both the crank and the key.  We need to GPS the entrance.  
The forest service is having trouble locating the key so no trip this weekend.  
We will be looking at the upcoming effort to convert the gate to restore the 
entrance as a bat habitat.

Cat Track Cave - is on the Ski Resort property.  The entrance can be seen from 
the ski lift and it is not far from one of the towers.  It is joint controlled 
with several hundred feet of passage and needs a map created.

A currently unnamed cave is also located on the Ski Resort property.  An 
employee will be showing us the location during the weekend.  The cave is 
reported to be a narrow fissure with two rope pitches.  

Cooper Ellis Cave - is on private property nearby - The cave contains several 
hundred feet of joint controlled passages.  We need a GPS and a map created.

Lake Cave - Small Cave with a permanent pool.  We have the GPS on this.

GPS's on three other karst features.



ADDITIONALLY:

We have written permission from the Zia Indian Nation to visit Alabaster Cave 
(aka el Diablo) AND the 14 caves in the area.  Alabaster is horizontal, most of 
the others are vertical.



We hope to see you this weekend.



Ray









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[ot_caving] Yes Calif again NGV

2008-08-27 Thread quinta
This may help oil but will it help the economy? The air quality - some help.
Quinta

Source - NGV Global
Tuesday, 26 August 2008 05:06 
USA, California
Two national truckload carriers have signed letters of intent to participate in 
the port of Los Angeles' Clean Trucks Plan.  The two, Swift Transportation Co. 
and Knight Transportation, both based in Phoenix, plan to begin drayage 
operations at L.A. in October, the port said in a statement late Thursday.  
While the number of trucks they will operate in the market is still to be 
determined, port officials expect that, collectively, their pool of trucks will 
exceed 2,000.  The trucks will meet 2007 federal diesel emissions standards 
using a mix of clean diesel and liquefied natural gas (LNG) fueled trucks, the 
port's statement said. It's a big deal, a major breakthrough, said John 
Husing, a California-based economist and a logistics and supply chain expert 
who was called on to evaluate the port's truck replacement plan.  Paul Bingham, 
managing director of trade and transportation markets for economic research 
firm Global Insight, said, These are both well-known, national trucking 
companies. They are very serious players.

Re: [ot_caving] Yes Calif again NGV

2008-08-27 Thread Don Cooper
I believe that relying on our own resources as opposed to enriching the
treasuries of oil-rich middle eastern countries is a very good idea,
economically.
-WaV


On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 6:38 AM, qui...@clearwire.net wrote:

  This may help oil but will it help the economy? The air quality - some
 help.
 Quinta

 Source - NGV Global
 Tuesday, 26 August 2008 05:06
 USA, California
 Two national truckload carriers have signed letters of intent to
 participate in the port of Los Angeles' Clean Trucks Plan.  The two, Swift
 Transportation Co. and Knight Transportation,



RE: [ot_caving] Yes Calif again NGV

2008-08-27 Thread Fritz Holt
Lift restrictions, drill now and vote for the candidate who shares these 
beliefs. Coal, wind and sun are OK also.
Fritz


From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:52 PM
To: qui...@clearwire.net
Cc: o...@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [ot_caving] Yes Calif again NGV

I believe that relying on our own resources as opposed to enriching the 
treasuries of oil-rich middle eastern countries is a very good idea, 
economically.
-WaV

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 6:38 AM, 
qui...@clearwire.netmailto:qui...@clearwire.net wrote:
This may help oil but will it help the economy? The air quality - some help.
Quinta

Source - NGV Global
Tuesday, 26 August 2008 05:06
USA, California
Two national truckload carriers have signed letters of intent to participate in 
the port of Los Angeles' Clean Trucks Plan.  The two, Swift Transportation Co. 
and Knight Transportation,



RE: [ot_caving] Yes Calif again NGV

2008-08-27 Thread mark . alman
Don't forget nuclear.

 

 

Mark

 

 

 



From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:16 PM
To: Don Cooper; qui...@clearwire.net
Cc: o...@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [ot_caving] Yes Calif again NGV

 

Lift restrictions, drill now and vote for the candidate who shares these
beliefs. Coal, wind and sun are OK also.

Fritz

 



From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:52 PM
To: qui...@clearwire.net
Cc: o...@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [ot_caving] Yes Calif again NGV

 

I believe that relying on our own resources as opposed to enriching the
treasuries of oil-rich middle eastern countries is a very good idea,
economically.
-WaV

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 6:38 AM, qui...@clearwire.net wrote:

This may help oil but will it help the economy? The air quality - some
help.

Quinta

 

Source - NGV Global
Tuesday, 26 August 2008 05:06 
USA, California
Two national truckload carriers have signed letters of intent to
participate in the port of Los Angeles' Clean Trucks Plan.  The two,
Swift Transportation Co. and Knight Transportation, 

 



RE: [ot_caving] Yes Calif again NGV

2008-08-27 Thread Fritz Holt
By all means. An oversight on my part.
Fritz


From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:39 PM
To: Fritz Holt; Don Cooper; qui...@clearwire.net
Cc: o...@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [ot_caving] Yes Calif again NGV

Don't forget nuclear.


Mark




From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:16 PM
To: Don Cooper; qui...@clearwire.net
Cc: o...@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [ot_caving] Yes Calif again NGV

Lift restrictions, drill now and vote for the candidate who shares these 
beliefs. Coal, wind and sun are OK also.
Fritz


From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:52 PM
To: qui...@clearwire.net
Cc: o...@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [ot_caving] Yes Calif again NGV

I believe that relying on our own resources as opposed to enriching the 
treasuries of oil-rich middle eastern countries is a very good idea, 
economically.
-WaV
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 6:38 AM, 
qui...@clearwire.netmailto:qui...@clearwire.net wrote:
This may help oil but will it help the economy? The air quality - some help.
Quinta

Source - NGV Global
Tuesday, 26 August 2008 05:06
USA, California
Two national truckload carriers have signed letters of intent to participate in 
the port of Los Angeles' Clean Trucks Plan.  The two, Swift Transportation Co. 
and Knight Transportation,