[Texascavers] October issue of the Oztotl Caver

2008-10-21 Thread speleosteele
Who would like an electronic copy of the Oztotl Caver sent to them? It's a 
beauty! This is the newsletter of the DFW Grotto, which some say is the NEW 
Center of the Caving (or Texas) Universe.

Bill 

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texascavers Digest 21 Oct 2008 16:29:59 -0000 Issue 630

2008-10-21 Thread texascavers-digest-help

texascavers Digest 21 Oct 2008 16:29:59 - Issue 630

Topics (messages 9227 through 9233):

Re: [greater_houston_grotto] NSS camping
9227 by: George Veni

Re: 15th ICS - abstract deadline coming soon!
9228 by: Mixon Bill

ICS camping
9229 by: Gill Ediger
9230 by: George Veni

New Section on Deep and Punkin Nature Preserve on TCMA Web Page
9231 by: Geary Schindel

Gigantic River Cave Revealed in Laos
9232 by: Lee H. Skinner

October issue of the Oztotl Caver
9233 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com

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There are six lodging options for the ICS.

On campus:
1) Loud campground: located in the vicinity of the pavilion where the Howdy
Party, Terminal Syphons Concert, and other evening social events will occur.

2) Quiet campground: Located on the opposite side of the Schreiner
University campus. Both campgrounds are only a 1-5 minute walk from the
sessions. Portable toilets, caver-built showers, and toilets and showers in
the campus gymnasium will be available for the campgrounds. Combined, the on
campus campgrounds total 27 acres.

3) Dormitories: Two beds in one air conditioned room. In three of the four
dorm buildings, two rooms share one bathroom. In the fourth building (and
last to be filled), 10 rooms share one large communal bathroom.

4) Apartments: Two bedrooms per apartments, with one bed per bedroom and one
private bathroom per bedroom. They have a communal area plus a kitchen, but
no utensils or cooking supplies.

Off campus:
5) A diverse group of hotels and motels.

6) Kerrville-Schreiner Park: This is the park where TSA convention was held
last spring and will likely occur again next spring. The ICS has reserved
the area near the Guadalupe River, the same area where the TSA Convention
occurred. Reservations for this area will be only for the ICS until 31 March
2009, after which any unreserved spots will be available to the general
public. Key reasons to camp here are if you want direct access to the river,
have an RV (not allowed in the Schreiner University campgrounds) or pets
(also not allowed at Schreiner). Keep in mind that pets must not be left
unaccompanied. If you bring a pet to Kerrville, bring friends or family
members so at least someone can stay with the pet at the park. Another
option is to coordinate among cavers coming with pets and rotate pet-sitting
duties among a larger group. If you've made reservations at the park but
were not aware that this area is reserved for the ICS, call the park to
change your reservation to that area if needed and desired.

Details on lodging options and all other aspects of the ICS are posted on
the ICS website: www.ics2009.us. Maps of on-campus camping are currently
being drafted and will be posted as soon as they are ready. Select
Accommodations, 7th from the bottom of the menu on the left side of the
website's pages, for more information, including the exact campsite numbers
reserved for the ICS at Kerrville-Schreiner Park.

George


-Original Message-
From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:shri...@cableone.net] 
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:09 AM
To: speleoste...@tx.rr.com; germa...@aol.com
Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fwd: [greater_houston_grotto] NSS camping

I guess because I didn't know there was a campsite at the convention?  More
info, please?

Sheryl

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From: speleoste...@tx.rr.com [mailto:speleoste...@tx.rr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:23 AM
To: germa...@aol.com
Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: [greater_houston_grotto] NSS camping

Why not camp at the convention site? The noise will be caver noise, music to
the ears of a caver.

Bill 

 germa...@aol.com wrote: 
 
  Don't delay - make your reservations today for the NSS/ICS - it's just a
few months away!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I just made reservations for Kerrville Schriener park for the NSS
convention
 
 July 18-26.  They have 53 sites left.  Just thought I would share that
info.
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
  
 
 
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Sheryl Rieck shri...@cableone.net
 To: greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 8:50 am
 Subject: [greater_houston_grotto] NSS camping
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I just made reservations for Kerrville Schriener park for the NSS
convention
 
 July 18-26.  They have 53 sites left.  Just thought I would share that
info.
 
 
 
 Sheryl
 
 
 
 There is no reason that the universe should be designed for our
convenience.
 
 
 
 John D. 

[ot_caving] Desert encroachment

2008-10-21 Thread Quinta Wilkinson
I thought some might like to know about this.
Quinta
Other approaches are being used to halt soil erosion and 
desert encroachment on cropland. Algeria, trying to halt the 
northward advance of the Sahara Desert, announced in December 
2000 that it was concentrating its orchards and vineyards in 
the southern part of the country, hoping that these perennial 
plantings will halt the desertification of its cropland. In July 
2005, the Moroccan government, responding to severe drought, 
announced that it was allocating $778 million to cancel farmers' 
debts and to convert cereal-planted areas into less vulnerable 
olive and fruit orchards. 

Sub-Saharan Africa faces a similar situation, with the desert 
moving southward all across the Sahel, from Senegal on the west 
coast to Djibouti on the east coast. Countries are concerned 
about the growing displacement of people as grasslands and 
croplands turn to desert. As a result, the African Union has 
launched the Green Wall Sahara Initiative. This plan, originally 
proposed by Olusegun Obasanjo when he was President of 
Nigeria, calls for the planting of 300 million trees on 3 million 
hectares of land, in a long band stretching across Africa. Senegal, 
which is currently losing 50,000 hectares of productive land 
each year, would anchor the green wall on the western end. Senegal's 
Environment Minister Modou Fada Diagne says, Instead 
of waiting for the desert to come to us, we need to attack it. 

China is likewise planting a belt of trees to protect land from 
the expanding Gobi Desert. This green wall, a modern version 
of the Great Wall, is projected to reach some 4,480 kilometers 
(2,800 miles) in length, stretching from outer Beijing through 
Inner Mongolia. In addition to its Great Green Wall, China is 
paying farmers in the threatened provinces to plant their cropland 
in trees. The goal is to plant trees on 10 million hectares of 
grainland, easily one tenth of China's current grainland area.

[Texascavers] Gigantic River Cave Revealed in Laos

2008-10-21 Thread Lee H. Skinner

See the National Geographic article about Xe Bang Fai River Cave at:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/10/photogalleries/river-caves-photos/index.html/

The photos are great!

Lee Skinner

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RE: [Texascavers] Gigantic River Cave Revealed in Laos

2008-10-21 Thread Louise Power

Wow! Very impressive. I just wish they'd put in pictures of the 10 spiders and 
the cubical cave pearls. Maybe those will go in the published article. Date: 
Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:17:30 -0600 From: skin...@thuntek.net To: 
nmca...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com; cavedigg...@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [Texascavers] Gigantic River Cave Revealed in Laos  See the National 
Geographic article about Xe Bang Fai River Cave at:  
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/10/photogalleries/river-caves-photos/index.html/
  The photos are great!  Lee Skinner  
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[Texascavers] Re: Gigantic River Cave Revealed in Laos

2008-10-21 Thread Simon Newton
I think someone forgot their gloves...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/10/photogalleries/river-caves-photos/index.html/photo5.html


Simon

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 From: Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net
 To: nmcaver list nmca...@caver.net, texascavers list 
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 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:17:30 -0600
 Subject: Gigantic River Cave Revealed in Laos
 See the National Geographic article about Xe Bang Fai River Cave at:

 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/10/photogalleries/river-caves-photos/index.html/

 The photos are great!

 Lee Skinner



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RE: [Texascavers] Gigantic River Cave Revealed in Laos

2008-10-21 Thread Pat Kambesis
There will be no photos of the 10-inch spiders since no one would voluneteer 
hands or any other body parts for scale.

pk


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[ot_caving] a practical LED flashlight

2008-10-21 Thread David
I have noticed recently a trend of cavers saying their
LED lights are Locklear-Approved.

To set the record straight, I have not yet formally approved,
rated, certified, nor validated any LED light.


However, as of today, I will put my stamp of approval
on the following LED mini-flashlight:


It is called the LED Pocket Light.

It is sold under the Eddie Bauer brand name
at Target stores. You will find it in the section
where they sell leatherman like tools, or other
Eddie Bauer gadgets.

It is imported from China by Coast Products
out of Portland.

This light would be considered a pen-light, so
it might be overlooked by cavers shopping for
a maglite or a a small flashlight.

I say it is a very practical tool.   A good one
for the glove box.A good one for reading
a map.A good one to carry in your pocket
on a short evening hike.

It is ideally suited for a full-trip thru Airman's
Cave.With a good set of batteries you should
be able to reach the Poetry Room, and return
without ever changing the batteries.
( disclaimer:   I have only been to the area just
before Sherwood Forest )

The lamp is rugged and can be easily rigged
to be drop proof, with a six inch piece of 5/8
diameter vinyl tubing ( sold at hardware stores ) which
will fit tightly around it.


I have 4 minor complaints about the light:

First, is that it
is not water-proof enough to take it into
a cave like Honeycreek Cave.   You could
put it inside something, but it would be better
to just use a cheap waterproof flashlight.

Second, the switch is cheezy.

Third, the switch does not dim, or boost the light.

Fourth, it only comes in a dull silver color.


The good points are that it is readily
available, inexpensive ( $ 13 ), the light
last nearly 100 hours ( supposedly ),
and the light pattern is good, and it
fits comfortably in hand and pocket,
and could easily be rigged to the
side of a caving helmet.

I could NOT find this product on the web.
The Eddie Bauer number is EB7004CP.
It is cylinder shaped, smaller than a cigar,
and uses 2 AAA batteries.

It resembles the photo below, but twice
the size:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41VuNCT90NL._SS500_.jpg


In summary,

I recommend that on your next visit to Target, that
you purchase this light, and keep it
in your car for road-trips.

David Locklear


[Texascavers] Caves in November National Geographic

2008-10-21 Thread Minton, Mark

 Lee Skinner said:


See the National Geographic article about Xe Bang Fai River Cave at:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/10/photogalleries/river-caves-photos/index.html/


 I just got my hard-cover November issue of National Geographic magazine in the mail 
today, and it has another article on the Naica mine's Cueva de los Cristales with its giant 
gypsum crystals.  
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/11/crystal-giants/shea-text  There is also 
an advertisement for IBM inside the front cover featuring a two-page spread of an 
unidentified Paleolithic art cave in Europe, probably Lascaux.  See 
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/arcnat/lascaux/en/.

Mark Minton