[Texascavers] CDC Proof of Bat Transport

[Mark Minton]

Although not specifically related to WNS, the following 
article documents how bats can carry pathogens far from their 
original location. 


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[Texascavers] The February 2010 Issue of "The Hole News"

[Bill Bentley]

 Greetings,
The February 2010 issue "Volume 25 # 2" of the Permian Basin Speleological 
Society's "The Hole News" is now on the web in Adobe PDF format.
This exciting issue can be found at the URL listed below:

http://www.caver.net/pbss/holenews/PBSS%20Newsletter%20February%202010.pdf


And as always one can relive the past with back issues, they can be found at 
the 
following URL:

http://www.caver.net/pbss/holenews.html

Kudos to Kel Thomas for his role as the editor of "The Hole News" Please 
be sure to send him material!

Enjoy and Cave Safely,

Re: [ot_caving] FW: How to Lock Your Car and Why

[Charles Goldsmith]

You meant well, but disinformation can be more dangerous :)

Thanks Fritz
Charles

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Fritz Holt  wrote:
> Gee, I thought I was performing a public service but instead was just
> producing clutter and anxiety. Sorry about that. Guess I better learn to use
> Snopes or stop posting this stuff.
>
>
>
> Fritz
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:00 PM
> To: Fritz Holt
> Cc: Off-Topic Texas Cavers
> Subject: Re: [ot_caving] FW: How to Lock Your Car and Why
>
>
>
> Fritz, probably not true:  http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/lockcode.asp
>
>
>
> Always research these types of emails, they always sound sincere, scary and
> as if they could be true.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Charles

RE: [ot_caving] FW: How to Lock Your Car and Why

[Fritz Holt]

Gee, I thought I was performing a public service but instead was just producing 
clutter and anxiety. Sorry about that. Guess I better learn to use Snopes or 
stop posting this stuff.

Fritz


From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:00 PM
To: Fritz Holt
Cc: Off-Topic Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [ot_caving] FW: How to Lock Your Car and Why

Fritz, probably not true:  http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/lockcode.asp

Always research these types of emails, they always sound sincere, scary and as 
if they could be true.

Thanks
Charles

Re: [ot_caving] FW: How to Lock Your Car and Why

[Charles Goldsmith]

Fritz, probably not true:  http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/lockcode.asp

Always research these types of emails, they always sound sincere, scary and
as if they could be true.

Thanks
Charles

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Fritz Holt wrote:

>  Interesting if true.
>
>
>
> Fritz
>
>
>  --
>
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>
> I got this message from one of my company underwriters
>
> Keri Crabtree, CISR
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>
> *christopher.cass...@ffic.com*
>
> 02/05/2010 10:52 AM
>
> To
>
>
>
> cc
>
>
>
> Subject
>
> Fw: How to Lock Your Car and Why
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> Please read the following email.  This is about a new technology robbers
> are using to gain entry to locked vehicles.  Thank you Howard, for bringing
> this to our attention:
>  *
> How to Lock Your Car and Why*
>
> I locked my car. As I walked away I heard my car door unlock. I went back
> and locked my car again, three times. Each time, as soon as I started to
> walk away, I would hear it unlock again!! Naturally alarmed, I looked around
> and there were two guys sitting in a car in the fire lane next to the store.
> They were obviously watching me intently, and there was no doubt they were
> somehow involved in this very weird situation. I quickly chucked the errand
> I was on, jumped in my car and sped away. I went straight to the police
> station, told them what had happened, and found out I was part of a new, and
> very successful, scheme being used to gain entry into cars.
>
>
> Two weeks later, my friend's son had a similar happening. While traveling,
> my friend's son stopped at a roadside rest to use the bathroom. When he came
> out to his car less than 4-5 minutes later, someone had gotten into his car
> and stolen his cell phone, laptop computer, GPS navigator,
> briefcase..you name it. He called the police and since there were no
> signs of his car being broken into, the police told him he had been a victim
> of the latest robbery tactic -- there is a device that robbers are using now
> to clone your security code when you lock your doors by your car using your
> key-chain locking device..remotely. They sit a distance away and watch for
> their next victim. They know you are going inside the store, restaurant, or
> bathroom and they now have a few minutes to steal and run. The police
> officer said to manually lock your car door-by hitting the lock button
> inside the car -- that way if there is someone sitting in a parking lot
> watching for their next victim, it will not be you.
>
> When you hit the lock button on your car upon exiting, it does not send the
> security code, but if you walk away and use the door lock on your key chain,
> it sends the code through the airwaves where it can be instantly stolen.
>
> This is very real.
>
> Be wisely aware of what you just read and please pass this note on. Look
> how many times we all lock our doors with our remote just to be sure we
> remembered to lock them -- and bingo, someone has our code...and whatever
> was in our car.
>
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Maple Run

[Matt Turner]

Julie Jenkins is the contact person I use for that cave.  You might have a hard 
part finding trip leaders to go with you as most of us will be at CBSP project.

julesje...@yahoo.com
 Matt Turner 


"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without 
accepting it." - Aristotle


"Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do 
that."- Norman Vincent Peale 





From: Chris Vreeland 
To: Texas Cavers 
Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 1:23:27 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Maple Run

Who's the contact person for Maple Run cave in Austin, these days?

I wanted to try to put together a small trip next Fri. since Jacob's off 
school. If I can figure out how to get in, I'd love to meet up with a couple 
other people as well. It'll strictly be a kid's beginner's trip (Jacob's 10 and 
has only been caving a couple times) with some photography involved.

Anyway, I need to figure out who to talk to about access.

Thanks!
Chris

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Re: [Texascavers] Maple Run

[Heather Tucek]

Chris,

The person to talk to about access is Julie Jenkins. She'll be able to let
you know if that day is open, as well as get you a key. I've copied her on
this email for you.

-Heather Tucek


On 5 February 2010 13:23, Chris Vreeland  wrote:

> Who's the contact person for Maple Run cave in Austin, these days?
>
> I wanted to try to put together a small trip next Fri. since Jacob's off
> school. If I can figure out how to get in, I'd love to meet up with a couple
> other people as well. It'll strictly be a kid's beginner's trip (Jacob's 10
> and has only been caving a couple times) with some photography involved.
>
> Anyway, I need to figure out who to talk to about access.
>
> Thanks!
> Chris
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[Texascavers] Maple Run

[Chris Vreeland]

Who's the contact person for Maple Run cave in Austin, these days?

I wanted to try to put together a small trip next Fri. since Jacob's  
off school. If I can figure out how to get in, I'd love to meet up  
with a couple other people as well. It'll strictly be a kid's  
beginner's trip (Jacob's 10 and has only been caving a couple times)  
with some photography involved.


Anyway, I need to figure out who to talk to about access.

Thanks!
Chris

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[ot_caving] FW: How to Lock Your Car and Why

[Fritz Holt]

Interesting if true.

Fritz




I got this message from one of my company underwriters

Keri Crabtree, CISR
Bowen, Miclette & Britt Insurance Agency, LLC
Account Manager
713-880-7107  (Direct)
713-880-7166  (Fax)
Emailkcrabt...@bmbinc.com

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christopher.cass...@ffic.com

02/05/2010 10:52 AM

To



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Subject

Fw: How to Lock Your Car and Why











Please read the following email.  This is about a new technology robbers are 
using to gain entry to locked vehicles.  Thank you Howard, for bringing this to 
our attention:

How to Lock Your Car and Why

I locked my car. As I walked away I heard my car door unlock. I went back and 
locked my car again, three times. Each time, as soon as I started to walk away, 
I would hear it unlock again!! Naturally alarmed, I looked around and there 
were two guys sitting in a car in the fire lane next to the store. They were 
obviously watching me intently, and there was no doubt they were somehow 
involved in this very weird situation. I quickly chucked the errand I was on, 
jumped in my car and sped away. I went straight to the police station, told 
them what had happened, and found out I was part of a new, and very successful, 
scheme being used to gain entry into cars.


Two weeks later, my friend's son had a similar happening. While traveling, my 
friend's son stopped at a roadside rest to use the bathroom. When he came out 
to his car less than 4-5 minutes later, someone had gotten into his car and 
stolen his cell phone, laptop computer, GPS navigator, briefcase..you name 
it. He called the police and since there were no signs of his car being broken 
into, the police told him he had been a victim of the latest robbery tactic -- 
there is a device that robbers are using now to clone your security code when 
you lock your doors by your car using your key-chain locking device..remotely. 
They sit a distance away and watch for their next victim. They know you are 
going inside the store, restaurant, or bathroom and they now have a few minutes 
to steal and run. The police officer said to manually lock your car door-by 
hitting the lock button inside the car -- that way if there is someone sitting 
in a parking lot watching for their next victim, it will not be you.

When you hit the lock button on your car upon exiting, it does not send the 
security code, but if you walk away and use the door lock on your key chain, it 
sends the code through the airwaves where it can be instantly stolen.

This is very real.

Be wisely aware of what you just read and please pass this note on. Look how 
many times we all lock our doors with our remote just to be sure we remembered 
to lock them -- and bingo, someone has our code...and whatever was in our car.



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Fwd: [Texascavers] Re: carbide

[Zach Broussard]

The Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for acetylene states that it is 
incompatible for use with brasses containing more than 66% copper by weight. So 
the simple answer is that the brass used in the making of carbide lamps is 
composed of less than 66% copper by weight.

Zach Broussard
Aggie Speleological Society- Treasurer
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Minton" 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Friday, February 5, 2010 10:21:01 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Texascavers] Re:  carbide

         Bill Mixon said:

 >How about all those brass carbide lamps? Presumably there is no problem
because the acetylene is never under any significant pressure in a
carbide lamp and the acetylization (if that's a word) reaction with
bulk copper metal requires pressure, or maybe because the inside of a
carbide lamp is well tarnished.

         There are a lot of brass fittings used with acetylene tanks 
and welding torches as well, which even involve acetylene under 
modest pressure.  So there must be something about brass that is not 
conducive to making, or at least accumulating, copper acetylide 
(copper carbide, similar to calcium carbide).  Maybe the zinc present 
inhibits the reaction, or decomposes the copper acetylide as fast as it forms.

Mark

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[ot_caving] FW: Fwd: Hypnotism at Senior Center

[Fritz Holt]

Thank God I couldn't make the meeting.


Fritz


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OK, this is funny!!



Hypnotism at the Senior Center


It was entertainment night at the Senior Center .

Claude the hypnotist exclaimed: 'I'm here to put you all into a trance - I 
intend to hypnotize each and every member of the audience.'

The excitement was almost electric as Claude withdrew a beautiful antique 
pocket watch from his coat. The polished metal gleamed in the light.

Claude the hypnotist said: 'I want you each to keep your eyes on this antique 
watch.

It's a very special watch. It's been in my family for six generations.'

He began to swing the watch gently back and forth while quietly chanting, 
'Watch the watch, watch the watch, watch the watch.'

The crowd became mesmerized as the watch swayed back and forth, light 
shimmering off its polished surface. Hundreds of pairs of eyes followed the 
swaying watch, until, suddenly, it slipped from the hypnotist's fingers and 
fell to the floor, shattering into a hundred pieces.

'SHIT!' said the Hypnotist.


It took 3 days to clean up the Senior Center .

[Texascavers] Re: filling plastic bags with oxygen and acetylene

[lmcnatt]

What a crazy idea to carry these bombs in his car!  You need to do it somewhere 
safe, like perhaps at a caver party on a Texas beach so when it explodes 
prematurely it takes out only 5 eardrums!  (Gill can explain.)


 Gill Edigar  wrote: 
 
 short but relevant story>
A few years there was a news story of a guy in Denver (I think) who was
 going to a party across town. Wanting to do something exciting for the party
> guests he decided that carbide bombs would be good entertainment. He had a
> cutting torch rig (Oxygen and Acetylene) at his shop so filled up
> a-half-dozen or so plastic bags with the "perfect mixture" and stuffed them
> into the back seat of his small car. He headed across town. Somewhere along
> the way one (if not all) of the bags ignited, blowing all the windows and
> doors out of the car and puffing the roof up and the sides out (I saw
> pictures of it). Aside from ear-drums and some superficial burns I think he
> was basically unhurt, but the kicker is that he was charged with
> manufacturing and transporting explosive--both felonies under federal law.
> And I think he missed the party, too.
> 
> --Ediger


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[Texascavers] WNS Info and Possible Treatment

[Mark Minton]

There is a lot of WNS info, pictures and video at 
.  I found the very last 
item on the page called WNS Survivors interesting.  It claims that 
WNS-infected bats can be successfully treated with apple cider 
vinegar!  A bit labor intensive as described, but perhaps some kind 
of spraying program could be used in critical habitats if this works 
in the wild.


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[Texascavers] Hard Drinking Bats

[Mark Minton]

Bats can drink you under the 
table: 
. 
The research article cited in PLoS ONE is freely available on the web.


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[Texascavers] Re: carbide

[Mark Minton]

Bill Mixon said:

>How about all those brass carbide lamps? Presumably there is no problem
because the acetylene is never under any significant pressure in a
carbide lamp and the acetylization (if that's a word) reaction with
bulk copper metal requires pressure, or maybe because the inside of a
carbide lamp is well tarnished.

There are a lot of brass fittings used with acetylene tanks 
and welding torches as well, which even involve acetylene under 
modest pressure.  So there must be something about brass that is not 
conducive to making, or at least accumulating, copper acetylide 
(copper carbide, similar to calcium carbide).  Maybe the zinc present 
inhibits the reaction, or decomposes the copper acetylide as fast as it forms.


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[Texascavers] carbide

[Mixon Bill]

Out of curiosity to see what it had to say about it, I looked up  
acetylene in Wikipedia. Among the interesting things is that it forms  
acetylides with many metals, and "several, e.g., silver acetylide and  
copper acetylide, are powerful and very dangerous explosives. Copper  
acetylide is also formed by reacting acetylene with metallic copper or  
its alloys; these materials are therefore unsuitable for installations  
for handling acetylene." And under copper acetylide, it says, "Copper  
acetylide can form inside pipes made of copper or an alloy with high  
copper content, which may result in violent explosion. This was found  
to be the cause of explosions in acetylene plants, and led to  
abandonment of copper as a construction material in such plants." How  
about all those brass carbide lamps? Presumably there is no problem  
because the acetylene is never under any significant pressure in a  
carbide lamp and the acetylization (if that's a word) reaction with  
bulk copper metal requires pressure, or maybe because the inside of a  
carbide lamp is well tarnished. Copper acetylide is usually produced  
by passing acetylene gas through copper chloride solution in the  
presence of ammonia. Want to bet that the fed's explosives sniffers  
would catch copper acetylide? Of course it could be too sensitive to  
handle. -- Mixon (who has probably just gotten on somebody's watch list)


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[Texascavers] Re: For those of you still thinking about caving with carbide...

[Mark Minton]

Alex Sproul said:

>Is there anything else commonly transported under UN1402?

Here's a list of UN 
numbers:  .  As 
Ediger said, calcium carbide is specifically 1402, so nothing else 
should bear that label.  UN numbers are for specific compounds, not 
general hazards.  There are lots of chemicals that are hazardous when 
wet, including many finely divided metals, all forms of alkali and 
alkaline earth metals, most metal hydrides, many metal carbides, most 
metal alkyls, etc.  The severity of the reaction with water varies 
greatly, of course.  Some compounds would simply be ruined - 
deactivated or whatever (like lime), without necessarily posing a 
fire or explosion hazard.  Others would be extremely violent.  All 
should be treated cautiously.


Calcium carbide is one of the few water-reactive compounds 
that is in more or less common low-tech industrial and even household 
use.  Many of those other things you would never find outside of a 
professional lab or manufacturing facility.  That makes carbide one 
of the more readily available high-energy solids.


Mark Minton
Organic Chemist (retired)

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[Texascavers] carbide

[Karen Perry]

If anyone wants it (and is willing to come do some electric caving here in 
Carlsbad), I have a Petzl Carbide light & generator with LOTS of carbide I will 
let go cheap. I can not use it here in NM and don't foresee any caving in parts 
that I canso.
If you want it please contact me off line.
Thanks,
Karen



  

Re: [Texascavers] Re: For those of you still thinking about caving with carbide...

[Gill Edigar]

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Alex Sproul  wrote:

>  PS  Mark, Don -- Is there anything else commonly transported under
> UN1402?
>

According to my 2004 edition of the Emergency Response Guidebook
Calcium Carbide is specifically 1402
Calcium is 1401
Barium is 1400
Aluminum Silicon powder is 1398
Alkali metal amalgam is 1389 and the first "water reactive" entry
and there are many others in between, ending the series with
 Zirconium Hydride which is 1437
a few more than 50 obviously alphabetical entries.

But more important than the ID Number of the material is the Guide Number.
All 50+ of these items fall into one of two Guide Numbers, to wit: 138
Substances--Water-Reactive (Emitting Flammable Gas) & 139 Substances--Water
Reactive (Emitting Flammable And Toxic Gases).

But also of interest would be the nearby ID No 1386: Seed cake, with more
than 1.5% oil and not more than 11% moisture. This is nothing more than
Cattle Feed, boys and gurls. The Guide No is 135 and titled:
Substances--Spontaneously Combustible. And further: Fire--If tank, rail car
or tank truck is involved in a fire, ISOLATE for 800 meters (1/2 mile) in
all directions

short but relevant story>
A few years there was a news story of a guy in Denver (I think) who was
going to a party across town. Wanting to do something exciting for the party
guests he decided that carbide bombs would be good entertainment. He had a
cutting torch rig (Oxygen and Acetylene) at his shop so filled up
a-half-dozen or so plastic bags with the "perfect mixture" and stuffed them
into the back seat of his small car. He headed across town. Somewhere along
the way one (if not all) of the bags ignited, blowing all the windows and
doors out of the car and puffing the roof up and the sides out (I saw
pictures of it). Aside from ear-drums and some superficial burns I think he
was basically unhurt, but the kicker is that he was charged with
manufacturing and transporting explosive--both felonies under federal law.
And I think he missed the party, too.

--Ediger

[Texascavers] a new anti-bat movie

[David]

There is a new movie at the theaters.

It is sort of a vampire movie.   It has subtle hints that a single bat bit a
human and this led to the annihilation of the human race, but you will
miss that if you are not paying close attention.

There are 3 very absurd scenes of a flying fox.

If that doesn't piss you off, the script of the movie will.


The link below is my detailed movie review:

  http://davidsnewjob.blogspot.com/2010/02/movie-review-daybreakers.html

If you can't view that and want to read it, e-mail me privately.



David Locklear

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