Re: [NMCAVER] WNS please keep it civil
Agreed, and thank you for the note. I will try to be less abrasive. thanks, Ray - Original Message - From: "Lois Manno" To: "NM Caver" Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: [NMCAVER] WNS please keep it civil Hey! This is a discussion forum. Nobody's opinion deserves to be called "naive" or "whining." So...be nice, Ray. Let's see if New Mexico's cavers can maintain a civil dialog about a controversial topic. Tossing around insults is the fastest way to squelch what could be a productive exchange. I gave my thoughts on the subject, but am not an expert, and am certainly not qualified to slam anybody else's opinion. I look forward to hearing from biologists and others with enough initials behind their names to know what they're talking about. Lois ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[Texascavers] Cass Cave permanently protected
See article at: http://www.whsv.com/westvirginiaap/headlines/94312429.html Lee Skinner - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Re: Cass Cave permanently protected
Interesting. I am headed to Cass Cave this weekend for the first of three survey trips intended to finish up the map this summer. The cave is otherwise closed. That press release is slightly misleading about the protection it affords the cave, since the land in question does not contain either the main or Annex entrances, although a good bit of the cave underlies it. Mark Minton At 12:48 PM 5/20/2010, Lee H. Skinner wrote: See article at: http://www.whsv.com/westvirginiaap/headlines/94312429.html Lee Skinner Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [NMCAVER] Cass Cave permanently protected
Interesting. I am headed to Cass Cave this weekend for the first of three survey trips intended to finish up the map this summer. The cave is otherwise closed. That press release is slightly misleading about the protection it affords the cave, since the land in question does not contain either the main or Annex entrances, although a good bit of the cave underlies it. Mark Minton <-Original Message-> >From: Lee H. Skinner [skin...@thuntek.net] >Sent: 5/20/2010 12:48:34 PM >To: cavedigg...@yahoogroups.com;nmca...@caver.net;texascav...@texascavers.co m >Subject: Re: [NMCAVER] Cass Cave permanently protected > >See article at: > >http://www.whsv.com/westvirginiaap/headlines/94312429.html > >Lee Skinner ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[Texascavers] the Cookout summary
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date:Tomorrow ( May 21, thru May 23 ) Time: Dinner served 6 p.m. May 22nd ( breakfast and lunch served also ) Place: Camp Happy Hollow 2029 Happy Hollow Rd., Brenham, TX Gate Code: 4490 I am optimistic, that those who come will be very glad they did.It will be warmer than I hoped for, but there is no rain in the forecast ( high 92/low 70 ) More info: I met the owner again at the camp today, and he assured me everything is fine. I will not be getting there til 6 or 7 p.m., so if you get there before me, look at the map at the entrance and camp in the section called Chippewa Village. Do not drive car off onto grass around picnic pavilion. Camping is FREE and that includes running water and electricity at each camp.Camp has rustic showers, and 2 new toilets, separate from the shower building. My cell number is 281-960-0687. Dogs are o.k. but need to be kept on a leash when around other people, and NOT present around the cooking. What to bring:an electric fan ? a gadget to connect to the water spout, such as a section of water hose, a tent with lots of netting, money if you want meat with your dinner. I have assembled enough event equipment to host a huge week long campout, but it will remain in storage 6 miles from the camp, unless we need some of it. Those coming from central Texas will pass thru the town of Burton on Hwy. 290, then continue heading east. Those coming from Houston, will go around Brenham, and Hwy 290 will exit forming a loop.The turn-off to the camp is 3.9 miles down 290 from this loop. There will be a sign that says Burton 8 miles at the turn off. 2 miles down Happy Hollow Rd. is the camp on the left. I would like to emphasize that this is going to be a fun campout.The only disclaimer to that, is that I am the sole organizer of everything, so there is a good chance a few things won't go smoothly, especially Friday night. I would like to encourage you all to find the time to at least show up for a few minutes to see what all the hoopla is about.My goal is still to do this better in the spring of 2011. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[NMCAVER] Pinon Cave Trip
Hi all, For those of you planning on going to Pinon Cave to help with the surveying and mapping efforts over the Memorial Day Weekend; Please plan on arriving with clean caving clothing and decontaminated equipment. Also plan to decontaminate all you equipment after being in the cave. This cave has an active bat colony. Quentin Hays from BCI will be going into the cave with us to determine the species of the bats, an estimate of the size of the colony and to determine if the cave is a nursery or a hibernation location. We will also be accompanied to the cave entrance by a Forest Service biologist, Patrick Mercer to observe us. Decon procedures to use should be those used at Fort Stanton at the last Fort Stanton expidition. For those of you not familiar with the procedures, contact Mike @ mike_bi...@blm.gov. If you have any questions, please contact me at ken_harring...@hotmail.com Ken Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the rain. _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Pinon Cave Trip
I'll bring to Pinon Cave campsite an expanded Decon field version we use at Torgac's. I plan to arrive Friday afternoon. System is six 5-gallon buckets, ie two separate decon setups to accomodate everyone: bucket #1 intial wash, bucket#2 Lysol dip (1 oz per gallon of water), bucket #3 rinse. I'm not using the bleach method as it destroys stretchables and certain fabrics. I'll also be bringing some BLM loaner gear, knee pads, gloves, helmets, headlamps, cave packs. Clean clothes and gear also applies to anyone headed out to ridgewalk in case you end up surveying or documenting something - although a find should be GPSed, entrance photoed with landmarks, and then return to camp to coordinate with SWR leaders/USFS.. - Original Message - From: Ken Harrington [ken_harring...@hotmail.com] Sent: 05/20/2010 04:43 PM CST To: NM Cavers Subject: [NMCAVER] Pinon Cave Trip Hi all, For those of you planning on going to Pinon Cave to help with the surveying and mapping efforts over the Memorial Day Weekend; Please plan on arriving with clean caving clothing and decontaminated equipment. Also plan to decontaminate all you equipment after being in the cave. This cave has an active bat colony. Quentin Hays from BCI will be going into the cave with us to determine the species of the bats, an estimate of the size of the colony and to determine if the cave is a nursery or a hibernation location. We will also be accompanied to the cave entrance by a Forest Service biologist, Patrick Mercer to observe us. Decon procedures to use should be those used at Fort Stanton at the last Fort Stanton expidition. For those of you not familiar with the procedures, contact Mike @ mike_bi...@blm.gov. If you have any questions, please contact me at ken_harring...@hotmail.com Ken Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the rain. _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Pinon Cave Trip
The decon procedure also has you plastic bagging your cave clothes, wiping exposed skin - cameras - glasses - other sensitive items that need to stay out of water - with anti-bacterial wipes that I will supply, and then putting on fresh clothes . The decon is to prepare for the next cave you go to, so the decon stations are for you to get your gear ready for any subsequent trips that weekend or someplace else later. The Lysol dip and sun drying is the actual decon. Your bagged clothes are taken home to wash and I suggest outside clothesline for dry. The loaner gear is in the event we get anyone east of Tejas and etc. - Original Message - From: Ken Harrington [ken_harring...@hotmail.com] Sent: 05/20/2010 04:43 PM CST To: NM Cavers Subject: [NMCAVER] Pinon Cave Trip Hi all, For those of you planning on going to Pinon Cave to help with the surveying and mapping efforts over the Memorial Day Weekend; Please plan on arriving with clean caving clothing and decontaminated equipment. Also plan to decontaminate all you equipment after being in the cave. This cave has an active bat colony. Quentin Hays from BCI will be going into the cave with us to determine the species of the bats, an estimate of the size of the colony and to determine if the cave is a nursery or a hibernation location. We will also be accompanied to the cave entrance by a Forest Service biologist, Patrick Mercer to observe us. Decon procedures to use should be those used at Fort Stanton at the last Fort Stanton expidition. For those of you not familiar with the procedures, contact Mike @ mike_bi...@blm.gov. If you have any questions, please contact me at ken_harring...@hotmail.com Ken Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the rain. _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[Texascavers] WNS action
The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to congress asking for more funding for WNS research. You can see the petition here: http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3815 Sam
Re: [Texascavers] WNS action
This is the same group that wanted to "administratively" close ALL caves, occupied by bats on ALL federal lands in the continental US because of WNS. I am all for increasing funding for WNS research. But I am NOT going to sign this petition due to the organizations past poorly considered proposals. Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, "Sam Young" wrote: The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to congress asking for more funding for WNS research. You can see the petition here: http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3815 Sam
RE: [Texascavers] WNS action
If all the (federal) caves are closed, then perhaps humans wouldn't be responsible for the cross-contamination of bat colonies. Just a thought ;-) Stefan From: John Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:19 PM Cc: texas cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action This is the same group that wanted to "administratively" close ALL caves, occupied by bats on ALL federal lands in the continental US because of WNS. I am all for increasing funding for WNS research. But I am NOT going to sign this petition due to the organizations past poorly considered proposals. Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, "Sam Young" wrote: The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to congress asking for more funding for WNS research. You can see the petition here: http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=38 15 Sam -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] WNS action
1. A human connection has not been proven one way or the other. Mr. Kennedy has pointed that out to us many times. 2. The proposed "ban" would NOT have impacted access to caves on private land. Nor would it have prohibited infected bats from visiting other caves nearby Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2010, at 3:29 PM, "Stefan Creaser" wrote: If all the (federal) caves are closed, then perhaps humans wouldn’t be responsible for the cross-contamination of bat colonies. Just a thought ;-) Stefan From: John Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:19 PM Cc: texas cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action This is the same group that wanted to "administratively" close ALL caves, occupied by bats on ALL federal lands in the continental US because of WNS. I am all for increasing funding for WNS research. But I am NOT going to sign this petition due to the organizations past poorly considered proposals. Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, "Sam Young" wrote: The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to congress asking for more funding for WNS research. You can see the petition here: http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3815 Sam -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] WNS action
The winking smiley was supposed to denote a tongue-in-cheek comment. Oh well… From: John Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:59 PM To: Stefan Creaser Cc: texas cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action 1. A human connection has not been proven one way or the other. Mr. Kennedy has pointed that out to us many times. 2. The proposed "ban" would NOT have impacted access to caves on private land. Nor would it have prohibited infected bats from visiting other caves nearby Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2010, at 3:29 PM, "Stefan Creaser" wrote: If all the (federal) caves are closed, then perhaps humans wouldn’t be responsible for the cross-contamination of bat colonies. Just a thought ;-) Stefan From: John Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:19 PM Cc: texas cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action This is the same group that wanted to "administratively" close ALL caves, occupied by bats on ALL federal lands in the continental US because of WNS. I am all for increasing funding for WNS research. But I am NOT going to sign this petition due to the organizations past poorly considered proposals. Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, "Sam Young" wrote: The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to congress asking for more funding for WNS research. You can see the petition here: http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3815 Sam -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
[Texascavers] Krizak Kave
Central Texas Cavers, Bill Russell has mostly recovered from his stroke and is ready to go caving. Please join him at Ruby Ridge, Hays County, Monday morning, May 24, between 9 and 10am to celebrate. We will be cleaning out a vertical shaft that has been filled with small rock, then open up big passage (hopefully). Bring appropriate tools, clothing and gloves. I will bring a ladder, shovel and a wheelbarrow. Please let me know off-line if you can attend, then just show at the cave. The address is 1397 Ruby Ranch Road, Buda. Park on the road or the pipeline ROW. Ron Ralph, Coordinator 280-9648 or 797-3817
Re: [Texascavers] Krizak Kave
OMG - this is AWESOME news. Congrats to William!! The best therapy in the world is caving! I wish I could join you. I'll be in Austin next week for 3 days (Wed-Fri) for a grants training course, but will have to miss this grand event at Krizak Kave. Glueck Auf! julia -Original Message- From: Ron Ralph To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 8:49 am Subject: [Texascavers] Krizak Kave Central Texas Cavers, Bill Russell has mostly recovered from hisstroke and is ready to go caving. Please join him at Ruby Ridge, Hays County,Monday morning, May 24, between 9 and 10am to celebrate. We will be cleaningout a vertical shaft that has been filled with small rock, then open up bigpassage (hopefully). Bring appropriate tools, clothing and gloves. I will bringa ladder, shovel and a wheelbarrow. Please let me know off-line if you canattend, then just show at the cave. The address is 1397 Ruby Ranch Road, Buda.Park on the road or the pipeline ROW. Ron Ralph, Coordinator 280-9648 or 797-3817
